Juraj Slafkovsky - Year Two

Where would you prefer Slaf spend his 23-24 season?


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DAChampion

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Last year in the NHL was a disaster for him. Not sure how you could even pretend to think otherwise. Opinions are like holes, everybody has a few and some of them stink.

I think it's impossible to evaluate as Slafkovsky lost half of the season to injury. Hughes may have been expecting some late season progress, but that doesn't happen from the stands.

I still believe that in general players like Slafkovsky should spend their D+1 either in Europe or in the AHL, but it looks like the selected path may turn into the right path. Sometimes that happens, that's great if it happens for the Habs' for once.
 

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Last year in the NHL was a disaster for him. Not sure how you could even pretend to think otherwise. Opinions are like holes, everybody has a few and some of them stink.
The leg injury hurt his rookie season, of course. But how can you STILL, with perfect HINDSIGHT, not acknowledge that in fact Slaf was making progress steadily from the season start to then the Monahan line, and then the final 3 games before the injury playing with Dvorak and dominating shifts, and then this year (career games 40-67) and not realize that the December-January 22-23 slump coincided with the entire team's funk after Monahan went down?? Who expects an 18 year old to put a struggling team on his back?

Marty Saint Louis was continuously asked about Slafkovsky's progress and every time he said they were happy with it. You chose not to listen.

Yet you feel justified to say TODAY that there was "no reason to be optimistic" about the player after last season.

Holy phuque.
 

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I think it's impossible to evaluate as Slafkovsky lost half of the season to injury. Hughes may have been expecting some late season progress, but that doesn't happen from the stands.

I still believe that in general players like Slafkovsky should spend their D+1 either in Europe or in the AHL, but it looks like the selected path may turn into the right path. Sometimes that happens, that's great if it happens for the Habs' for once.
The thing is, Slafkovsky already played quite a bit at the AHL level (Olympics and World Championships were at least that) and performed remarkably well. That his next step was the NHL was not surprising to people who observe these things for a living, especially since he was not a pipsqueak.
 
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Newhook’s injury is a bit of a blessing in disguise because Slaf would be stuck with Dvorak and Anderson on the second line.
 

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The thing is, Slafkovsky already played quite a bit at the AHL level (Olympics and World Championships were at least that) and performed remarkably well. That his next step was the NHL was not surprising to people who observe these things for a living, especially since was not a pipsqueak.

It's a good point that the Olympics and WCs were approximately AHL level. I had not seen that point made before.

Regardless a bit more time in the AHL or Europe is what I would support in general. It worked, for example, for Elias Petersson.

As for "people who observe these things for a living", his peers Nemec, Cooley, Wright, and Jiricek were brought along more slowly, as was his comparable Quinton Byfield.
 

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Well, yeah. He’s showing he can keep up with the play in the NHL, that’s already a doubly good sign: he has shown improvement and he has shown he has the ability to improve. Massive change in demeanour.

No celebrating for me though, a lot more has to go right.
Almost everyone on here agreed with you, in that he should not have been in the NHL last year....................moot point now.
He is getting better, no miracles yet, but he looks good with top 6 players, as he becomes one.

Will say it again, he is 19...................I like where this is going. We all want his success.

Newhook’s injury is a bit of a blessing in disguise because Slaf would be stuck with Dvorak and Anderson on the second line.
MSL sometimes, reminds me of Slaf in his progression as a head coach.
Great philosopher, but a work in progress as a head coach.
I hope MSL can see what is happening in front of his eyes...Slaf is.......a top 6 player.
 

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I’ve been nothing but consistent.


His active stick is simply impressive. He can be a devastating presence on any line because of his reach and presence. If everything comes together the word Unicorn really does describes him best.
Yes you have...in bashing and bad player evaluation.
 
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Well, yeah. He’s showing he can keep up with the play in the NHL, that’s already a doubly good sign: he has shown improvement and he has shown he has the ability to improve. Massive change in demeanour.

No celebrating for me though, a lot more has to go right.
You're saying that your opinion is based on evidence and evaluation of prevailing historical trends rather than blind emotionalism and bias, and thus adapts to changing circumstances and new information?

No. That's not possible.

You're just a blind hater who wishes to see Slafkovsky fail. 🤫

Also, as one of his most vocal detractors, I believe that he had a marvelous game last evening, and should be lauded for it.
 
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It's a good point that the Olympics and WCs were approximately AHL level. I had not seen that point made before.

Regardless a bit more time in the AHL or Europe is what I would support in general. It worked, for example, for Elias Petersson.

As for "people who observe these things for a living", his peers Nemec, Cooley, Wright, and Jiricek were brought along more slowly, as was his comparable Quinton Byfield.
Cooley would have probably got his chance in the NHL if he had not chosen to do a year of NCAA. Wright at #4 started in the NHL but could not handle 8 minutes per game and was LATER demoted.

Nemec and Jiricek as D-men understandably went to the AHL. They are not Dahlin level.

Petersson was a C who needed to boost his defensive oplay.

Wingers really are the easiest to start in the NHL at 18. Heck even Benson is getting that chance.
 

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The problem with lowering expectations and standards is at some point you’ll catch yourself celebrating failure.

Plenty of us didn’t want him rushed to the NHL. But that’s besides the point.

We can all celebrate his progress as a player without pretending he is something he is not or that he has arrived. Arrived players don’t pace for 22pts. Joe Thornton, oft compared, didn’t pace for 22pts in his sophomore season.

Slaf has a lot of progress ahead of him and we should be lucky to see him fulfill his promise. We disagreed about how he could best improve but that discussion is settled and finished now. He’s in the NHL to stay.
You have no idea how to evaluate a player...
That's settled.

I’ve been nothing but consistent.


His active stick is simply impressive. He can be a devastating presence on any line because of his reach and presence. If everything comes together the word Unicorn really does describes him best.
No clue who is Slafkovsky.
 

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Well, yeah. He’s showing he can keep up with the play in the NHL, that’s already a doubly good sign: he has shown improvement and he has shown he has the ability to improve. Massive change in demeanour.

No celebrating for me though, a lot more has to go right.
One thing you were right on is that something in Slaf’s stats before the draft was suspicious. I think that problem still remains. Despite looking amazing otherwise. The coaching staff really needs to work with him on exploiting better scoring opportunities he creates.

His offensive finish is very crude and a work in progress. That’s despite having a heaving shot and great stick-handling.
 

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Opinion passed off as fact.

Let's try some truth in advertising instead.

"Despite the overwhelming opinion of scouts that he was a top-2 draftee, and despite tons of Habs fans seeing his potential and being confident he will be a good player, I spent over a year criticizing his IQ, his playmaking, his vision and how he was being developed. I now need to double down hard and pretend there was no reason to be optimistic for Slaf.

I was totally right about everything, the non-existent skills, and the improper development plan. It is a totally unforseeable shocking surprise that Slaf is developing well in the direction of the kind of player the Habs thought they had when they drafted him."

Seriously.
No clue how to evaluate a hockey player... :)

Last year in the NHL was a disaster for him. Not sure how you could even pretend to think otherwise. Opinions are like holes, everybody has a few and some of them stink.
It appears you have no idea how things work...
Please, can you stop pushing your flawed views?
 
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Jaaanosik

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I think it's impossible to evaluate as Slafkovsky lost half of the season to injury. Hughes may have been expecting some late season progress, but that doesn't happen from the stands.

I still believe that in general players like Slafkovsky should spend their D+1 either in Europe or in the AHL, but it looks like the selected path may turn into the right path. Sometimes that happens, that's great if it happens for the Habs' for once.
No, look at Bedard, should he be in AHL?
 

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The leg injury hurt his rookie season, of course. But how can you STILL, with perfect HINDSIGHT, not acknowledge that in fact Slaf was making progress steadily from the season start to then the Monahan line, and then the final 3 games before the injury playing with Dvorak and dominating shifts, and then this year (career games 40-67) and not realize that the December-January 22-23 slump coincided with the entire team's funk after Monahan went down?? Who expects an 18 year old to put a struggling team on his back?

Marty Saint Louis was continuously asked about Slafkovsky's progress and every time he said they were happy with it. You chose not to listen.

Yet you feel justified to say TODAY that there was "no reason to be optimistic" about the player after last season.

Holy phuque.
In the context of previous Habs high draft forwards busting and underwhelming, you cannot tell me I ought to have had high hopes and optimism for this case heading into the season. Especially after MSL insisted that he wouldn't send Slafkosvky down.

You can't litigate someone else's feelings.
 
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In the context of previous Habs high draft forwards busting and underwhelming, you cannot tell me I ought to have had high hopes and optimism for this case heading into the season. Especially after MSL insisted that he wouldn't send Slafkosvky down.

You can't litigate someone else's feelings.

I saw you write on the main board in Slaf post, that he hasn’t shown anything to be a reliable top 6.

You clearly are the worst take of the worst. We cannot take your post seriously anymore lol

The past 3 weeks, he’s our best fowards.
 

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His passing vision is comparable to Dach and Suzuki.
I agree. Slafkovsky's small, in close-quarters moves, are impressive. It seems almost every time he touches the puck in tightly contested areas, a good thing happens. He uses his strength, size and reach to gain that extra space to make a play. I love how he uses the boards to make an indirect pass to an area that a line mate is skating into. It's a great subtlety that few young (and older) players have. At first, I thought it was just luck. But when it happened repeatedly, I realized it was planned. The game is obviously slowing down for him.

While far from an elegant skater, his size and strength give him enough speed that defenders have to respect him. Above all, it's Slafkovsky's strength on his skates that is most impressive. Last night, Buffalo tried to muscle the Canadiens all over the ice. And they did a damn good job of it. But Buffalo players repeatedly bounced off this 19 year behemoth like they were rubber balls. Slafkovsky took on their best efforts to physically intimidate him and just smiled. And fought, again with a smile. You just got to love it.

Slafkovsky still has a way to go before he reaches his full potential. But talk about sending him down to Laval is just complete nonsense. Slafkovsky is playing on the team's top line and making the line better. He's playing on the power play and establishing himself as a threat. All at 19 years of age. This kid has arrived. Finally.
 
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In the context of previous Habs high draft forwards busting and underwhelming, you cannot tell me I ought to have had high hopes and optimism for this case heading into the season. Especially after MSL insisted that he wouldn't send Slafkosvky down.

You can't litigate someone else's feelings.
OK, but you went way too far when you said there was "no reason to be optimistic". That literally means everyone else who thought differently and had optimism was unreasonable.

You did not say, "I was not optimistic", but of course we knew that and your opinion is fine to have.

You did not say, "I was a bit worried". That would be expressing your feelings and totally cool.

The reason I jumped on your statement today and won't let it go easily is that you basically insulted everyone with a different opinion than you had.

All, these people including the Head Coach of the team being optimistic for "no reason".

Sorry, this was a bad mis-statement. Please own it, and reformulate.
 
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One thing you were right on is that something in Slaf’s stats before the draft was suspicious. I think that problem still remains. Despite looking amazing otherwise. The coaching staff really needs to work with him on exploiting better scoring opportunities he creates.

His offensive finish is very crude and a work in progress. That’s despite having a heaving shot and great stick-handling.
It's plainly clear there was something extremely dubious about his stat line versus the praise and hype. And, absent looking at old game tape, I deduced (based on general trends and phenomenon) that it was to do with his playmaking abilities.

I'm super glad he is catching up and looking like he belongs in the NHL.

Now that he's in the NHL and looks like he is not out of place, we can evaluate with our eyes and the analytics both, what is going on with this player and his progress.
 
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I saw you write on the main board in Slaf post, that he hasn’t shown anything to be a reliable top 6.

You clearly are the worst take of the worst. We cannot take your post seriously anymore lol

The past 3 weeks, he’s our best fowards.
You also saw me praise him and his growth. And presumably you saw me criticise people who trashed him. Stop trying to make me out to be the boogeyman simply because I don't think a 22pt pace forward is top6 material. You can call a triumph for him if you want, erect a statue to his shootout goal. See what I care. I've been respectful and polite but this is not fair.
OK, but you went way too far when you said there wsas "no reason to be optimistic". That literally means everyone else who thought differently andf had optimism was unreasonable.

You did not say, "I was not optimistic", but of course we knew that and your opinion is fine to have.

You did not say, "I was a bit worried". That would be expressing your feelings and totally cool.

The reason I jumped on your statement today and won't let it go easily is that you basically insulted everyone with a different opinion than you had.

All, these people including the Head Coach of the team being optimistic for "no reason".

Sorry, this was a bad mis-statement. Please own it, and reformulate.
I was referring to myself and others who in the context of other recent first round busts and rushed prospects did not feel optimistic and had no reason to feel optimistic. I own this feeling and statement, because I felt it.
 

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I agree. Slafkovsky's small, in close moves, are impressive. It seems almost every time he touches the puck in contested areas, a good thing happens. He uses his strength, size and reach to gain that extra space to make a play. I love how he uses the boards to make an indirect pass to an area that a line mate is skating too. Its a great subtlety that few young (and older) players have. At first, I thought it was just luck. But when it happened repeatedly, I realized it was planned. The game is obviously slowing down for him. While far from an elegant skater, he's size and strength give him enough speed that defenders have to respect him. Above all, it's Slafkovsky's strength on his skates that is most impressive. Last night, Buffalo tried to muscle the Canadiens all over the ice. And they did a damn good job of it. But Buffalo players repeatedly bounced off this 19 year behemoth like they were rubber balls. Slafkovsky took their best efforts to physically intimidate him and just smiled. Slafkovsky still has a way to go before he reaches his full potential. But talk about sending down to Laval is just complete nonsense. This kid has arrived. Finally.
He arrived in less a full season of games.
 

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Since yesterday he’s my new favorite player. I change my mind and have him #1 again in 2022.

The kid seems very teachable and the staff absolutely needs to go all out on working on his offense:
-two-hands on the stick with stick on the ice near the net
-shoot always all-the-time, exploit rebounds
-put the puck on the net from behind the net
-go 5-hole instead of missing left and right
-no more long windup wrist shots
-he’ll get better results with just a hard pass on net than his shots with ridiculously long windups.
-etc…

Staff works on a bunch of little tweaks and his production will really take off. Rest of his game is clicking, go full on offence now.
 

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He's been playing better and better the past few weeks but these last 3-4 games it seems like he's hit yet another level and has legitimately looked like the best player on the ice. If he keeps playing like that eventually the points are gonna start piling up for that line, Suzuki has been playing well, hopefully Caufield can get his scoring mojo back soon
 
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I saw the same about his board play. I think he won every battle. He’s as big and strong as a young jagr. At 22, he will be a nightmare
Funny story, Jagr saw Slaf play in his draft year and said he was immediately like who’s this guy? I want him on my team, how can i sign him? And then he learned Slaf was 17 and was about to be drafted for the NHL lol.
 
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