Juraj Slafkovsky - Year Two

[Jaynki]

You guys all on Rehabs but there has been some way way worst takes than his.

Mrb1p, a week ago, argued that teams had more Slaf-like prospects than Roy-like prospects. He also argued two weeks ago that Slaf should go to the AHL because he has no pucks skills.

And he also said that habs fan could not recognise water coming out of a water tap. Thats funny.

Cave troll argued that Slaf was the biggest 1st overall bust in decades in a relentless, vehement, agressive manner. He had some nasty negative emotion toward Bobrov it was a bit cringe in fact.

Shawnathon had some spectacularly bad takes too. To be expected with such a username tho.

Nhlfan9191 has shown to the whole forum that he need glasses.

Colorful oz, i dont remember his name, something like this, argued that we were f***ing with slaf pre frontal cortex and that it was backed with scientifical evidence. I mean, LOL. That one was something spectacular.

Montreal said like three weeks ago that we could have had Cooley, Michkov and Kulich. Now we are "stuck" with Slaf، Reinbacher and Mesar. I mean when Cooley and Suzuki are your two biggest forward surely you will win many cups.

Did not take a month for those take to age like milk. And that is just the tip of the iceberg.

The funniest thing is that Slaf has yet to produce. But with 4-5 grade A scoring chances per game, he is on the verge of becoming a ppg player.

 

[nhlfan9191]

You guys all on Rehabs but there has been some way way worst takes than his.

Mrb1p, a week ago, argued that teams had more Slaf-like prospects than Roy-like prospects. He also argued two weeks ago that Slaf should go to the AHL because he has no pucks skills.

And he also said that habs fan could not recognise water coming out of a water tap. Thats funny.

Cave troll argued that Slaf was the biggest 1st overall bust in decades in a relentless, vehement manner.

Shawnathon had some spectacularly bad takes too.

Nhlfan9191 has shown to the whole forum that he need glasses.

Colorful oz, i dont remember his name, something like this, argued that we were f***ing with slaf pre frontal cortex and that it was backed with scientifical evidence. I mean, LOL. That one was something spectacular.

Montreal said like three weeks ago that we could have had Cooley, Michkov and Kulich. Now we are "stuck" with Slaf، Reinbacher and Mesar.

Did not take a month for those take to age like milk. And that is just the tip of the iceberg.

The funniest thing is that Slaf has yet to produce. But with 4-5 grade A scoring chances per game, he is on the verge of becoming a ppg player.

I’ve never in my life seen seen a poster attempt to feed this much crow in one post after multiple games in which a player has not scored a point.

 

[Frank Drebin]

You guys all on Rehabs but there has been some way way worst takes than his.

Mrb1p, a week ago, argued that teams had more Slaf-like prospects than Roy-like prospects. He also argued two weeks ago that Slaf should go to the AHL because he has no pucks skills.

And he also said that habs fan could not recognise water coming out of a water tap. Thats funny.

Cave troll argued that Slaf was the biggest 1st overall bust in decades in a relentless, vehement, agressive manner. He had some nasty negative emotion toward Bobrov it was a bit cringe in fact.

Shawnathon had some spectacularly bad takes too. To be expected with such a username tho.

Nhlfan9191 has shown to the whole forum that he need glasses.

Colorful oz, i dont remember his name, something like this, argued that we were f***ing with slaf pre frontal cortex and that it was backed with scientifical evidence. I mean, LOL. That one was something spectacular.

Montreal said like three weeks ago that we could have had Cooley, Michkov and Kulich. Now we are "stuck" with Slaf، Reinbacher and Mesar. I mean when Cooley and Suzuki are your two biggest forward surely you will win many cups.

Did not take a month for those take to age like milk. And that is just the tip of the iceberg.

The funniest thing is that Slaf has yet to produce. But with 4-5 grade A scoring chances per game, he is on the verge of becoming a ppg player.

I have said multiple times I don't know what the scouts saw in this guy to make him a first round pick let alone a first overall.

Happy to be wrong on that.

 

[Kennerback]

He did say in general and I agree with that also. Players like Bedard are special though so there’s exceptions.

Bedard could work on his defence but he’s so awesome offensively already that he more than fully compensates.

It’s rare to see a mature offensive player like Bedard.
All the 2022s need to fix stuff, Slaf obviously on his shooting, Cooley can’t deke Ds 1-on-1 like in College, I don’t think he’ll get better at it, just give it up now and try something else. Wright needs to stop getting rid of the puck so fast, it causes turnovers and he misses developing opportunities.

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

You guys all on Rehabs but there has been some way way worst takes than his.

Mrb1p, a week ago, argued that teams had more Slaf-like prospects than Roy-like prospects. He also argued two weeks ago that Slaf should go to the AHL because he has no pucks skills.

And he also said that habs fan could not recognise water coming out of a water tap. Thats funny.

Cave troll argued that Slaf was the biggest 1st overall bust in decades in a relentless, vehement, agressive manner. He had some nasty negative emotion toward Bobrov it was a bit cringe in fact.

Shawnathon had some spectacularly bad takes too. To be expected with such a username tho.

Nhlfan9191 has shown to the whole forum that he need glasses.

Colorful oz, i dont remember his name, something like this, argued that we were f***ing with slaf pre frontal cortex and that it was backed with scientifical evidence. I mean, LOL. That one was something spectacular.

Montreal said like three weeks ago that we could have had Cooley, Michkov and Kulich. Now we are "stuck" with Slaf، Reinbacher and Mesar. I mean when Cooley and Suzuki are your two biggest forward surely you will win many cups.

Did not take a month for those take to age like milk. And that is just the tip of the iceberg.

The funniest thing is that Slaf has yet to produce. But with 4-5 grade A scoring chances per game, he is on the verge of becoming a ppg player.

 

[Jaynki]

I have said multiple times I don't know what the scouts saw in this guy to make him a first round pick let alone a first overall.

Happy to be wrong on that.

We saw it in spades in international play but for some obscur reason it has always been dismissed

I’ve never in my life seen seen a poster attempt to feed this much crow in one post after multiple games in which a player has not scored a point.

Aint it fun tho?

 

[Kennerback]

We saw it in spades in international play but for some obscur reason it has always been dismissed

I saw what you saw, But we needed to factor in his weak offensive numbers. Ex Post Facto it’s no mystery why he had the most success in International play. His coach was obsessively on his ass about shooting. “But what if? Shoot! And what if? Shoot! However what if? Shoot Mother f***er!!!“ His shots/ game went way up and he exploded offensively.

 

[Jaynki]

I saw what you saw, But we needed to factor in his weak offensive numbers. Ex Post Facto it’s no mystery that he had the most success in International play. His coach was obsessively on his ass about shooting. “But what if? Shoot! And what if? Shoot! However what if? Shoot Mother f***er!!!“ His shots/ game went way up and he exploded offensively.

His numbers have been contextualized plenty of times but it was also always dismissed or served as an excuse. Lets focus on pro play.

Liiga pre OG : 4 points in 21 games but was generating a lot more than Kemell and Lambert, despite Kemell having 12 goals in 16 games. Offensive explosion was foreseen by the astute observer. He also played with a team who scored not even 2 GPG and Slaf was playing defensive role in defensive system. Best scorer had 39pts in 50g.

OG :7 in 7
WC: 9 in 8
Liiga post OG : 6 in 10.
Liiga Playoff : 7 in 18.

That is 29 points in 43 games versus 4 in 21 for the start of the season. Again, were the international tournament the small sample size, or was it the first unproductive dozens of games the small sample size?

Easy to focus on 10 in 31 but it was just misleading and not telling about his true potential.

 

[nhlfan9191]

We saw it in spades in international play but for some obscur reason it has always been dismissed



Aint it fun tho?

Is what fun? A lot of people here who haven’t been shy to call out struggles have been accused, by people like you, of only wanting to be right but here you are after only a handful of games where his main accomplishments are creating scoring chances “trying to be right.” For you to be using the size of spoon you’re trying to feed me and the other dozen you called out on a personal level now by going name by name with posters crow, Slafkovsky needs to be hitting 60-70 points while playing the way he is right now. Don’t accuse others of being toxic if you’re going to exhibit worse behaviour then anyone here.

I never called Slafkovsky a bust. I had legitimate reason to be concerned after last year and the first 3/4 of this season and I stand by everything I’ve said.

 

[japhi]

Anyone saying there was no reason to be optimistic, or that this came out of nowhere has no business evaluating talent. It was pretty clear from day one that he was a guy that was always on the puck, struggling with timing. Factor in his size, and what we know about the dev curve of guys his size, and the fact he was clearly improving weekly, and here we are. Maybe even ahead of schedule.

I'd add it seems it was the right call to start him in the NHL, what better place to learn NHL timing then in the NHL. That always seemed logical to me.

 

[Kennerback]

His numbers have been contextualized plenty of times but it was also always dismissed or served as an excuse. Lets focus on pro play.

Liiga pre OG : 4 points in 21 games but was generating a lot more than Kemell and Lambert, despite Kemell having 12 goals in 16 games. Offensive explosion was foreseen by the astute observer. He also played with a team who scored not even 2 GPG and Slaf was playing defensive role in defensive system. Best scorer had 39pts in 50g.

OG :7 in 7
WC: 9 in 8
Liiga post OG : 6 in 10.
Liiga Playoff : 7 in 18.

That is 29 points in 43 games versus 4 in 21 for the start of the season. Again, were the international tournament the small sample size, or was it the first unproductive dozens of games the small sample size?

Easy to focus on 10 in 31 but it was just misleading and not telling about his true potential.

Yes he was generating more than Kemell and Lambert.
Yes he played in a defensive system.
Yes I found he looked very good in Liiga
But,
The reason he wasn’t killing the Liiga like Joel Armia was is not just a stroke of bad luck

 

[Team_Spirit]

Are you on Jaynki's naughty list, anonymous Hab fanatic?

 

[MasterD]

I still think he should have been in the A last year and at the beginning of this year, but he's been playing better and better for sure. Game has slowed down in his head, and it shows.

I'm still not convinced he has elite offensive potential, but he's definitely the type of big bodied, skilled forward the Habs have needed forever. I hope he makes it offensively in the next few years.

The thing he needs to work on the most for me is being proactive, especially on the PP. He stands still too much on the half boards, often times there are loose pucks in the corner or close to the net and he doesn't go to them, waits like Ovechkin. But I think it'll come, he just needs more NHL PP experience. And hunger.

 

[Jaynki]

Is what fun? A lot of people here who haven’t been shy to call out struggles have been accused, by people like you, of only wanting to be right but here you are after only a handful of games where his main accomplishments are creating scoring chances “trying to be right.” For you to be using the size of spoon you’re trying to feed me and the other dozen you called out on a personal level now by going name by name with posters crow, Slafkovsky needs to be hitting 60-70 points while playing the way he is right now. Don’t accuse others of being toxic if you’re going to exhibit worse behaviour then anyone here.

I never called Slafkovsky a bust. I had legitimate reason to be concerned after last year and the first 3/4 of this season and I stand by everything I’ve said.

Who have i accused of being toxic? We are on an exchange hockey board and its fun to remind everyone of past takes and how they evolve no? Especially the spectacular one.

Also, you should not be concerned with a 19YO who is a NHL regular. 90% of those player are tomorrow stars.

 

[MasterD]

Takes like this are ridiculous. It's a nice, good goal, but "work of art" is lol at best. Plenty of more impressive goals scored every week in the NHL. Suzuki's patented deke is more impressive than this, for one. Ylonen's goal was nicer IMO.

 

[Skip Bayless]

I still think he should have been in the A last year and at the beginning of this year, but he's been playing better and better for sure. Game has slowed down in his head, and it shows.

I'm still not convinced he has elite offensive potential, but he's definitely the type of big bodied, skilled forward the Habs have needed forever. I hope he makes it offensively in the next few years.

The thing he needs to work on the most for me is being proactive, especially on the PP. He stands still too much on the half boards, often times there are loose pucks in the corner or close to the net and he doesn't go to them, waits like Ovechkin. But I think it'll come, he just needs more NHL PP experience. And hunger.

Also, Matheson is not a great distributor. He's very predictable, but also hard to read at the same time.

Slaf is often open for the one time, but Matheson choses to reset on the opposite side. He probably feels like he's not able to make the goalie guess.

 

[ReHabs]

I still think he should have been in the A last year and at the beginning of this year, but he's been playing better and better for sure. Game has slowed down in his head, and it shows.

I'm still not convinced he has elite offensive potential, but he's definitely the type of big bodied, skilled forward the Habs have needed forever. I hope he makes it offensively in the next few years.

The thing he needs to work on the most for me is being proactive, especially on the PP. He stands still too much on the half boards, often times there are loose pucks in the corner or close to the net and he doesn't go to them, waits like Ovechkin. But I think it'll come, he just needs more NHL PP experience. And hunger.

Fully agreed. Now that the game is not chaotic, we have to see some good playmaking. No happenstance points but actual protagonist-style playmaking. If we see that, then I think the next step is achieving consistency and then the project is on track.

The reason I'm so caught-up on this guy is because I hate tanking, and I hate roster deconstruction, and I hate seeing the Habs get a 1OA and do... this with it. If he succeeds then that's bloody fantastic. Let's hope he bloody succeeds.

Who have i accused of being toxic? We are on an exchange hockey board and its fun to remind everyone of past takes and how they evolve no? Especially the spectacular one.

Also, you should not be concerned with a 19YO who is a NHL regular. 90% of those player are tomorrow stars.

You have not accused anybody of toxicity and I can attest to that. I've bookmarked a few of your posts in case you're wrong

Take like this are ridiculous. It's a nice, good goal, but "work of art" is lol at best. Plenty of more impressive goals scored every week in the NHL. Suzuki's patented deke is more impressive than this, for one. Ylonen's goal was nicer IMO.

Under-expect and over-praise, that's the Habs way.

 

[nhlfan9191]

Who have i accused of being toxic? We are on an exchange hockey board and its fun to remind everyone of past takes and how they evolve no?

Also, you should not be concerned with a 19YO who is a NHL regular. 90% of those player are tomorrow stars.

You have a hit list of posters. Lol somebodies engaged in what you feel is toxic for you to be so personally offended. You telling me I need glasses while weaponing hindsight is toxic. Slafkovsky was not playing well. I’m super encouraged by these past few games just like you are, but he still only has 2 goals and 7 points in his last 42 games going back to last season. Trying to villainize me or anybody who thinks like me for being concerned for large chunks over that stretch isn’t being done in good faith.

 

[ReHabs]

You have a hit list of posters. Lol somebodies engaged in what you feel is toxic for you to be so personally offended. You telling me I need glasses while weaponing hindsight is toxic. Slafkovsky was not playing well. I’m super encouraged by these past few games just like you are, but he still only has 2 goals and 7 points in his last 42 games going back to last season. Trying to villainize me or anybody who thinks like me for being concerned over that stretch isn’t being done in good faith.

Of course it isn't done in good faith. Why are you surprised? Habs fans like nothing more than to snipe at other Habs fans. Was it UdeM or UQAM that taught a course called "The Religion of the Montreal Canadiens"? It's absolutely true. You see it with our local media -- they openly root for the team to succeed even going as far as trashing other fans for not being supportive enough.

It comes with the territory. We have a large, loud, politically charged fanbase that also likes to eat itself.

I definitely have been a dog with a bone with Slafkovsky so I'm not saying I'm any better but I don't think constantly hitting at other fans is appropriate outside of disagreeing with specific arguments. I think Jaynki disagrees with a variety of arguments but she/he also posts their arguments in return, so it's fine to argue and discuss. Bring your points and evaluations and let's have some fun. Ignore the noise.

 

[Jaynki]

You have not accused anybody of toxicity and I can attest to that. I've bookmarked a few of your posts in case you're wrong

Bookmark those on Roy instead. I think i hit the nail with Slafkovsky... maybe not the 50 points but even then i would not be surprised with 43 points in 55 games thw way he is playing right now

 

[rik schau]

You guys all on Rehabs but there has been some way way worst takes than his.

Mrb1p, a week ago, argued that teams had more Slaf-like prospects than Roy-like prospects. He also argued two weeks ago that Slaf should go to the AHL because he has no pucks skills.

And he also said that habs fan could not recognise water coming out of a water tap. Thats funny.

Cave troll argued that Slaf was the biggest 1st overall bust in decades in a relentless, vehement, agressive manner. He had some nasty negative emotion toward Bobrov it was a bit cringe in fact.

Shawnathon had some spectacularly bad takes too. To be expected with such a username tho.

Nhlfan9191 has shown to the whole forum that he need glasses.

Colorful oz, i dont remember his name, something like this, argued that we were f***ing with slaf pre frontal cortex and that it was backed with scientifical evidence. I mean, LOL. That one was something spectacular.

Montreal said like three weeks ago that we could have had Cooley, Michkov and Kulich. Now we are "stuck" with Slaf، Reinbacher and Mesar. I mean when Cooley and Suzuki are your two biggest forward surely you will win many cups.

Did not take a month for those take to age like milk. And that is just the tip of the iceberg.

The funniest thing is that Slaf has yet to produce. But with 4-5 grade A scoring chances per game, he is on the verge of becoming a ppg player.

There are so many takes floating around,some are hilarious and at the same time you wonder if lack of lucidity plays a roll. He's just a young kid getting going and it'll take time to see his mature game. Sure he should have started elsewhere last season and perhaps this one,but look at this management team and the things they do.lol

 

[Jaynki]

You have a hit list of posters. Lol somebodies engaged in what you feel is toxic for you to be so personally offended. You telling me I need glasses while weaponing hindsight is toxic. Slafkovsky was not playing well. I’m super encouraged by these past few games just like you are, but he still only has 2 goals and 7 points in his last 42 games going back to last season. Trying to villainize me or anybody who thinks like me for being concerned for large chunks over that stretch isn’t being done in good faith.

I just named those i remembered on the top of my head, there were many many others.

Sorry if you received it as toxic or if i offended you. I have been mocked a lot for saying things like exponential, parabolic growth and that is part of the debate and fun of an online forum in my humble opinion.

But just liked i have been mocked on it, i think we can freely mock the dude who argued we were f***ing with slaf underdevelopped pre frontal cortex. Its as funny no?

We here for fun and we are all happy with Slaf after all. We all share the same objective which is habs success.

There are so many takes floating around,some are hilarious and at the same time you wonder if lack of lucidity plays a roll. He's just a young kid getting going and it'll take time to see his mature game. Sure he should have started elsewhere last season and perhaps this one,but look at this management team and the things they do.lol

I think its just emotionality and ptsd more than lack of lucidity. The wright bias, the desire to call the next big bust, impatiencre... a lot of those guy who flopped on Slaf have great takes and are usually pretty clever in other threads.

Its just that sometimes things are obvious and it was not the right prospect to bet against.

 

[ReHabs]

Bookmark those on Roy instead. I think i hit the nail with Slafkovsky... maybe not the 50 points but even then i would not be surprised with 43 points in 55 games thw way he is playing right now

It would be truly extraordinary if Slaf went near-ppg this year. It would electrify the fanbase and likely propel us into a playoff spot too. Basically, it would justify the 1OA and have him give us the effect of the 1OA for which we tanked. It's a long season and anything can happen on that front.

I didn't like the discourse that downplayed expectations and standards for the player, I found that bullshit and unfair. To your credit you never downplayed the upside you saw in him. If only some other commentators would be as consistent. Those who said they expected 50-60pt upside in his prime were full of crap, nobody expects that from a 1OA.

 

[DAChampion]

I don't know if Slafkovsky will be elite and I assume nobody here does. It's not clear where will top out in the 70-110 point range.

And if the NHL expands to 40 teams, Slafkovsky could hit 150 points !!!

 

[ChesterNimitz]

Of course it isn't done in good faith. Why are you surprised? Habs fans like nothing more than to snipe at other Habs fans. Was it UdeM or UQAM that taught a course called "The Religion of the Montreal Canadiens"? It's absolutely true. You see it with our local media -- they openly root for the team to succeed even going as far as trashing other fans for not being supportive enough.

It comes with the territory. We have a large, loud, politically charged fanbase that also likes to eat itself.

I definitely have been a dog with a bone with Slafkovsky so I'm not saying I'm any better but I don't think constantly hitting at other fans is appropriate outside of disagreeing with specific arguments. I think Jaynki disagrees with a variety of arguments but she/he also posts their arguments in return, so it's fine to argue and discuss. Bring your points and evaluations and let's have some fun. Ignore the noise.

Well said. It's all about entertainment and fun. Or at least it should be. When you start 'hitting at other fans' you have lost the thread and all perspective. There are no motherhood issues here.