Juraj Slafkovsky - Year Two

[DAChampion]

I value stats and Bader’s model might be fine for most players. But how do you gauge a player like Slaf who’s absent from the scoresheet but is looking this good otherwise. Roy would be a better candidate for his model as he’s a good player in a typical development path. Slaf is an outlier.

High quality post.

 

[stenlis]

Makes more sense to compare him against his peers in his season, no? That's how you know if a player did well in that division/season. Aggregate stats are a bit strange.

Ok, so Sebastian Aho was 6th in the 2012-13 season U18 SM Sarja in terms of PPG. Patrik Laine was 47th.

Slafkovsky was 12th in 2019-20.

What do you want to conclude from that? How is it supposed to be clearer than the aggregate points table?

 

[admiralcadillac]

Who cares?

Anderson is a career 35 points per 82 games career average. 3rd liner at best production. His "bad luck" means he should have 8 or 9 points by now, but the coaching staff is acting like he's Auston Matthews in some kind of unheard of slump. His hands can't put the puck in the net, they need to get over it and move on.

They are supposed to be rebuilding and guys like him and Gallagher and Dvorak need to take a back seat to the younger players on this team for better or for worse. Enough is enough. This team is trying to cobble together wins for some unknown reason. May as well get Jacques Martin back and try and eek into the playoffs by winning games 1-0.

Dude if playing the vets is what’s winning you play them. You don’t play your young guys on the first line and first powerplay if it means they lose games… because they wouldn’t be having success if they’re losing lol. I also note out first line was a 22 year old, a 24 year old and a 19 year old last night and our top minute d man was Guhle, who is 21.

Your argument then boils down to that we should play the young guys even if it is a losing formula. That just doesn’t make any sense at all.

As an aside, Pearson, Dvorak, Gallagher have all been playing roughly 3rd and occasionally 2nd line minutes. Lets be real here.

Martin was playing vets without success and despite the lack of it.

 

[Colezuki]

Lol do people really think Roy will be a first liner?

I've got him as top 6 in my head at his peak with 2nd PP time,

I think next years lines could still be

Caufield - Suzuki - Roy/Slaf
Newhook - Dach - Roy/Slaf

 

[Rapala]

I value stats and Bader’s model might be fine for most players. But how do you gauge a player like Slaf who’s absent from the scoresheet but is looking this good otherwise. Roy would be a better candidate for his model as he’s a good player in a typical development path. Slaf is an outlier.

The eye test will always trump stats and the model itself can be suspect IMO. Most of us noticed an improvement in Slaf's case very early on this season.
He hasn't been demoted from a top 6 role for a reason. The production will come it's inevitable. He's starting to show very good awareness and vision. The thing he needs improvement on like most kids his age is play selection. The fact that he is able to create options shouldn't be lost on anyone.

 

[Pazucha]

I've got him as top 6 in my head at his peak with 2nd PP time,

I think next years lines could still be

Caufield - Suzuki - Roy/Slaf
Newhook - Dach - Roy/Slaf

Dach - Celebrini - Slaf
Caufield - Suzuki - Roy
Mesar - Beck - Newhook

This would be so fun to watch

 

[417]

So have we ruined him or not finally?

It's like he's developing in the NHL…i’m flabbergasted.

 

[ChesterNimitz]

What would be your answer?

I suspect that there more hockey people out there who share my concerns about Roy’s lack of foot speed and whether this highly skilled player’s game translates well at the next level. Trading a player like Roy presents great risk to both the team trading him and the team acquiring him. No one wants to trade the next Mark Stone. Nor does anyone want to overspend for a player who may never amount to anything more than a skilled journeyman. That uncertainty makes Roy difficult to trade as both the seller or buyer need more information to make a judicious decision. But if the vendor in this case waits and Roy’s slump continues, his value will plummet.

To this writer if Toronto offers Knies or Boston offers Poitras, I do that deal tomorrow. But if some will say, neither Toronto nor Boston would do those deals, then one has to ask: how good a prospect is Roy after all?

As I said, its an interesting exercise.

 

[NORiculous]

I find it pretty amazing that some fans see flashes of brilliancy in a puck fumble. He did look good before he fumbled the puck though. I wouldn’t call it a flash of brilliance though… He got a bit of open space and skated, that was it.

He is playing well though. Is adapting to the « less space » of The NHL. Hopefully he plays well and sticks with Suzuki.

 

[NORiculous]

Dach - Celebrini - Slaf
Caufield - Suzuki - Roy
Mesar - Beck - Newhook

This would be so fun to watch

It would but I’d try to separate Dach and Slafkovsky.

 

[Jaynki]

It's like he's developing in the NHL…i’m flabbergasted.

We took so much risk f***ing with his pre frontal cortex doing so

 

[Jaynki]

I suspect that there more hockey people out there who share my concerns about Roy’s lack of foot speed and whether this highly skilled player’s game translates well at the next level. Trading a player like Roy presents great risk to both the team trading him and the team acquiring him. No one wants to trade the next Mark Stone. Nor does anyone want to overspend for a player who may never amount to anything more than a skilled journeyman. That uncertainty makes Roy difficult to trade as both the seller or buyer need more information to make a judicious decision. But if the vendor in this case waits and Roy’s slump continues, his value will plummet.

To this writer if Toronto offers Knies or Boston offers Poitras, I do that deal tomorrow. But if some will say, neither Toronto nor Boston would do those deals, then one has to ask: how good a prospect is Roy after all?

As I said, its an interesting exercise.

Toronto and Boston would laugh at us.

Roy is a B prospect that seems to emerge from the plethora of B prospect every organisation has.

If we could package him in a deal for a proven top six winger i would do it. Dont think he holds much value alone. Pretty much every organisation has a Roy in its prospect pipeline.

I 100% agree with your assessment on him and i share the same concerns. I also would not be surprised if he is outplayed for a roster spot next year by Mesar or Beck.

 

[ChesterNimitz]

Toronto and Boston would laugh at us.

Roy is a B prospect that seems to emerge from the plethora of B prospect every organisation has.

If we could package him in a deal for a proven top six winger i would do it. Dont think he holds much value alone. Pretty much every organisation has a Roy in its prospect pipeline.

I 100% agree with your assessment on him and i share the same concerns. I also would not be surprised if he is outplayed for a roster spot next year by Mesar or Beck.

Yes, I think they would.

As I said, it’s an interesting exercise and a revealing one. Just perhaps your team’s prospects, players and assets aren’t as golden as you believe.

 

[417]

My guess is that he's gonna end up as some kind of Dustin Penner type. A huge physical presence whose contribution doesn't always translate to pts but is just as important to a team , especially in the playoffs. Penner was a huge part of the Kings cup win in 2012 with his physical play , puck protection skills and ability to maintain an effective cycling game along the boards. Slaf has the physical attributes to do the same thing

I hate comparisons but I'm holding out hope for a Chris Kreidsr/Johan Franzen type of player.

What a weird time to make this post. 6 games to 1 point for the big oaf.

In reality I think both are likely to be 4th forwards, I don't like one more than the other, I just think Roy has more to work with to be a first liner, though both are unlikely.


I wonder though, why you're allowed to make such posts, as Ive been infracted for much, much less.

Real talk…whats the point of watching games if your entire evaluation is based exclusively on point totals?

If you have a cable subscription where you watch Habs games…

Go head’ and cancel that shit bruh! You can just look at box scores for free!

 

[Mrb1p]

What would be your answer?

Buddy thinks Cedric Guindon is a better prospect than Roy, Im not sure hes unbiased on the matter.

Toronto and Boston would laugh at us.

Roy is a B prospect that seems to emerge from the plethora of B prospect every organisation has.

If we could package him in a deal for a proven top six winger i would do it. Dont think he holds much value alone. Pretty much every organisation has a Roy in its prospect pipeline.

I 100% agree with your assessment on him and i share the same concerns. I also would not be surprised if he is outplayed for a roster spot next year by Mesar or Beck.

Oh yeah ?

Teams with a <. 9 PPG 20 YO rookie in the AHL:
Dallas
Montreal
Winnipeg
Chicago
LA
Seattle


It's almost as if you're talking out of your ass again.

I'll play the stupid post game though teams with a 2nd year player over .28 PPG
Montreal
Chicago 2x
Anaheim 2x
NJD
Arizona
Boston
Colombus
Buffalo

I guess teams have more Slafkovsky than they have Roy's, lmao.

I hate comparisons but I'm holding out hope for a Chris Kreidsr/Johan Franzen type of player.


Real talk…whats the point of watching games if your entire evaluation is based exclusively on point totals?

If you have a cable subscription where you watch Habs games…

Go head’ and cancel that shit bruh! You can just look at box scores for free!

I wonder the same, as Joshua Roy "could have had" at least 10 more points in his last 6 games, lol.

One would assume that the venerable, parabolic even, @Jaynki mentionned Roy because of his recent points slump, even though he hasn't been all that bad, and probably looks better than Slaf on the eye-test.

Now Ill leave this thread again because you guys are, as usual, unsufferable.

Yes, I think they would.

As I said, it’s an interesting exercise and a revealing one. Just perhaps your team’s prospects, players and assets aren’t as golden as you believe.

And what would they say if we were to offer them Slafkovsky for the same players ? They'd probably laugh too.

I bet they'd take Cedrik Guindon straight up though.

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

Roy looks better than slaf to the eye test , yeah okay

 

[Kennerback]

Toronto and Boston would laugh at us.

Roy is a B prospect that seems to emerge from the plethora of B prospect every organisation has.

If we could package him in a deal for a proven top six winger i would do it. Dont think he holds much value alone. Pretty much every organisation has a Roy in its prospect pipeline.

I 100% agree with your assessment on him and i share the same concerns. I also would not be surprised if he is outplayed for a roster spot next year by Mesar or Beck.

Roy’s not in direct competition with 2 players that aren’t goal scorers. Habs badly needs goals. A goal scorer is relatively more valuable to the Habs than TB. You need to give Roy a full audition and get rid of him only if you’re absolutely sure he won’t score much in the NHL.

We can’t have Roy scoring goals elsewhere while Mesar and Beck are jack-of-all-trading and intangebling in Montreal.

 

[Mrb1p]

Roy looks better than slaf to the eye test , yeah okay

Top shelf quality post.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

I've got him as top 6 in my head at his peak with 2nd PP time,

I think next years lines could still be

Caufield - Suzuki - Roy/Slaf
Newhook - Dach - Roy/Slaf

Dach was amazing with Slaf. I think that’s be a good combo with CC. Roy, Suzki and Newhook would be interesting too.

 

[Colezuki]

Dach was amazing with Slaf. I think that’s be a good combo with CC. Roy, Suzki and Newhook would be interesting too.

Why im so depressed that Dach has been out of commission for the year, him with Slaf right now would be a nightmare for teams.

 

[Sorinth]

Roy’s not in direct competition with 2 players that aren’t goal scorers. Habs badly needs goals. A goal scorer is relatively more valuable to the Habs than TB. You need to give Roy a full audition and get rid of him only if you’re absolutely sure he won’t score much in the NHL.

We can’t have Roy scoring goals elsewhere while Mesar and Beck are jack-of-all-trading and intangebling in Montreal.

If you wait until you are sure he won't score much in the NHL then he'll have no value in a trade because other teams will also be sure.

It also doesn't really matter what Roy does with another team if traded, what matters is that the return we get does well for us.

 

[Jaynki]

Roy looks better than slaf to the eye test , yeah okay

Teams have more Slaf-like players than they have Roy-like prospects

 

[Kennerback]

If you wait until you are sure he won't score much in the NHL then he'll have no value in a trade because other teams will also be sure.

It also doesn't really matter what Roy does with another team if traded, what matters is that the return we get does well for us.

How much more value will we lose if we wait too long? According to some, he’s a 2nd rate prospect that every team has in its pipeline. A 4th round pick instead of 3rd? A 5th instead of a 4th? I’m ready to pay the price.

 

[Jack Skellington]

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This is what I'm seeing - especially when he's carrying the puck - almost like he's sitting down. As a defender I find skaters like this easier to push from the chest and they fall back or push down on the back and the fall forward. For slaf in this position I think it's harder to manoeuvre and protect the puck, and harder to shoot. They also seemed to have given him KKs super long stick which I'm not a fan of but that's a different issue

I think its because he has a super long torso and very short legs for his height.

 

[417]

I wonder the same, as Joshua Roy "could have had" at least 10 more points in his last 6 games, lol.

One would assume that the venerable, parabolic even, @Jaynki mentionned Roy because of his recent points slump, even though he hasn't been all that bad, and probably looks better than Slaf on the eye-test.

Now Ill leave this thread again because you guys are, as usual, unsufferable.

I can't speak for him and that wasn't what I quoted you on...it was your singular focus on points when he's doing so much more out there.

But if that's too much for you to discuss...see you later I guess, you'll be back i'm sure. Next slump/bad play can't be too far.