Juraj Slafkovsky - Year Two

Where would you prefer Slaf spend his 23-24 season?


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le_sean

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No. It,s always about a fan,s perspective. If we'd discuss about what we know for sure, we'd close the forum. Personnally, my confidence point is about shooting when it's time to shoot. It's about knowing where to position himself in all 3 zones not looking lost. It,s about dominating the boards and not being sorry to do it. I'm not talking about how he handles himself in the room or in front of journalists.
Exactly, so you’re projecting.

I'm not only talking about how he handles journalists. I think it’s blatantly obvious how much his confidence is growing on the ice and how there’s a night and day difference between his first 30 NHL games and the 30 proceeding games. If you’re impatient after 60 games, maybe reevaluate the way you follow prospects.
 
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dackelljuneaubulis02

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First 24 career NHL games:

Slafkovsky: 4 goals 10 pts, -1, 11:43 ATOI
Fantili: 4 goals 10 pts, -11, 15.33 ATOI
I’m gonna wait and see but I’m just not convinced that Slaf is like orders of magnitude worse than this last draft’s best forwards.

For very real reasons we just don’t value what we have very well at times. I think he can be absolutely dynamite and we could be praising HuGo endlessly for rolling the dice on this kid. I just don’t think you need that much imagination to see that being true
 
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It’s almost like clockwork. When someone says ‘nobody ever said D’ when that’s just about all that’s being said.

I love you @Mrb1p but you waste your very perspicacious scouting talents making the most hyperbolic statements made in a blind noble passion then spending the next 6 months trying to dig your way out of them/rationally defending them.

You’re so much better than this! lol
When did I say that you cant develop in the NHL? Its a completely r-rated word to say. Its been done and will be done and is being done.

Or is it that nobody ever said that? Im guessing theres people that did say that, yes. But then again, theres people that are telling me Kotkaniemi never had a 1C ceiling, people say stupid shit.

Might I had, smart people say stupid shit so imagine what the majority of people say on any given day.
 
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While Slaf do look better lately, I just think it's ludicrous to think that it prooves he didn't need a AHL stint.
I will now speak for myself...

I don't think it proves he didn't need an AHL stint...

I just think it proves his NHL "stint" was beneficial even if it wasn't obvious to everyone.

Surely you can distinguish the two statements? The NHL is not a developmental league but you can develop in it?
No, that's a contradiction.
As for the KK thing, I really want to know and I know youre dodging because it directly contradicts the prior statement you just made.
Dodging? lol...come on man, you know I have never, ever dodged anything on here lol.

It's just not the thread for it and i've posted about it exhaustively...i'd just rather focus on our current player then delve into the complex history behind Kotkaniemi's time as a Hab player.

You're more than welcomed to search my username with the keywords "Kotkaniemi" to find my takes on it.
 
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When did I say that you cant develop in the NHL? Its a completely r-rated word to say. Its been done and will be done and is being done.

Or is it that nobody ever said that? Im guessing theres people that did say that, yes. But then again, theres people that are telling me Kotkaniemi never had a 1C ceiling, people say stupid shit.

Might I had, smart people say stupid shit so imagine what the majority of people say on any given day.
Not necessarily you but it’s KIND of been the big debate on here the last year or so.

Again with the hyperbole and defending it! lol. Ah you can’t tell a zebra to lose its stripes I guess. I just want to see you flourish!
 
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No metric. Him handling himself as a NHL player and improving every game. Seeing him shoot more and finding open lanes. If he shoots 10 times on net and doesn't score, he'd be more succesful in my eyes than him shooting 1 time and scoring once on somebody,s butt.

One day, Slaf will and should be measured in points. At 19, he should be measured in how he handles himself.
Most posters are seeing improvements each and every game (stats are starting to support that). What are you seeing that shows he is not improving or stagnating? Any observations you care to share?

How has he been handling himself?

I will provide my observations. Slaf started the year looking a little lost at times. That sense of being lost, was leftover from where he was last year, where it looked like his processing was a step slower than where it needed to be. He was getting rid of the puck like a hot potato. Early, I liked the use of his size, reach and some small attempts at some creative passing, but I wanted to see more. I worried that he was relying on his reach too much, and being a little lazy because of it (players were just skating through his stick, instead of putting his body in better position). Despite all this, he still was doing things that were NHL quality. I felt these were minor things he needed to improve on, and that a lot of it could be improved by better processing of the game and confidence.

Lately, I have noticed that his decision making with the puck is extremely better. He is consistently making good passes. He is position his body much better, using his reach when appropriate but not just allowing players to skate through his stick. He is imposing himself physically in both zones and winning puck battles. He is holding onto the puck longer and making better decisions instead of the hot potato analogy. His head is up for quick reads. His shooting (or should I say decision to shoot) needs to be improved. I feel this will come with more experience and confidence.

Now, I may not be right....but my observations and opinions clearly are aligning with MSL and the coaching staff. We are seeing more confidence from the coaching staff, more minutes later in the game, even OT minutes.

My last point....the points are following along with the observed development.

He belongs in the NHL and is developing in the NHL.

So again, why do you believe he is stagnating (opposite of improving every game) and what concerns you about how he is handling himself?
 

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I will now speak for myself...

I don't think it proves he didn't need an AHL stint...

I just think it proves his NHL "stint" was beneficial even if it wasn't obvious to everyone.


No, that's a contradiction.

Dodging? lol...come on man, you know I have never, ever dodged anything on here lol.

It's just not the thread for it and i've posted about it exhaustively...i'd just rather focus on our current player then delve into the complex history behind Kotkaniemi's time as a Hab player.

You're more than welcomed to search my username with the keywords "Kotkaniemi" to find my takes on it.


... this is going nowhere fast, as usual.

Most posters are seeing improvements each and every game (stats are starting to support that). What are you seeing that shows he is not improving or stagnating? Any observations you care to share?

How has he been handling himself?

I will provide my observations. Slaf started the year looking a little lost at times. That sense of being lost, was leftover from where he was last year, where it looked like his processing was a step slower than where it needed to be. He was getting rid of the puck like a hot potato. Early, I liked the use of his size, reach and some small attempts at some creative passing, but I wanted to see more. I worried that he was relying on his reach too much, and being a little lazy because of it (players were just skating through his stick, instead of putting his body in better position). Despite all this, he still was doing things that were NHL quality. I felt these were minor things he needed to improve on, and that a lot of it could be improved by better processing of the game and confidence.

Lately, I have noticed that his decision making with the puck is extremely better. He is consistently making good passes. He is position his body much better, using his reach when appropriate but not just allowing players to skate through his stick. He is imposing himself physically in both zones and winning puck battles. He is holding onto the puck longer and making better decisions instead of the hot potato analogy. His head is up for quick reads. His shooting (or should I say decision to shoot) needs to be improved. I feel this will come with more experience and confidence.

Now, I may not be right....but my observations and opinions clearly are aligning with MSL and the coaching staff. We are seeing more confidence from the coaching staff, more minutes later in the game, even OT minutes.

My last point....the points are following along with the observed development.

He belongs in the NHL and is developing in the NHL.

So again, why do you believe he is stagnating (opposite of improving every game) and what concerns you about how he is handling himself?
Did WS say once that he wasnt improving ?

Man you guys are hard to discuss with at times.


Stop trying to prove a point and start having a discussion.
 
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When did I say that you cant develop in the NHL? Its a completely r-rated word to say. Its been done and will be done and is being done.

Or is it that nobody ever said that? Im guessing theres people that did say that, yes. But then again, theres people that are telling me Kotkaniemi never had a 1C ceiling, people say stupid shit.

Might I had, smart people say stupid shit so imagine what the majority of people say on any given day.
Somehow there was a 1C available at the draft and he got drafted 3rd overall behind a Dman and a winger no less lol.

Just cause you fooled yourself into believing he was a #1C, doesn't mean he ever actually had that ceiling.

And that's besides arguing the semantics of #1C vs top 6C.

Not necessarily you but it’s KIND of been the big debate on here the last year or so.

Again with the hyperbole and defending it! lol. Ah you can’t tell a zebra to lose its stripes I guess. I just want to see you flourish!
He literally JUST wrote it a few posts up lol
 

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... this is going nowhere fast, as usual.


Did WS say once that he wasnt improving ?

Man you guys are hard to discuss with at times.


Stop trying to prove a point and start having a discussion.
WS said that the metric by which he will determine success for Slaf is improving every game! That implies that he isn't improving as he also states he should or should have been be in the AHL. Proving a point is exactly what this discussion is about.
 
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... this is going nowhere fast, as usual.
What you're trying to do is to get me to deviate from the topic because you don't like where this topic is going. You're moving goalposts.

We're in a Slafkovsky thread and you're asking me to elaborate about a player who plays for another team.

If this isn't going nowhere fast, it's because you insist on it going in another direction and you're not able to manipulate it that way.
 

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Somehow there was a 1C available at the draft and he got drafted 3rd overall behind a Dman and a winger no less lol.

Just cause you fooled yourself into believing he was a #1C, doesn't mean he ever actually had that ceiling.

And that's besides arguing the semantics of #1C vs top 6C.


He literally JUST wrote it a few posts up lol
I can’t keep track lol.

Let’s just all be happy we got a 19 year old behemoth who’s starting to put things together.
 

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You cant even read a sentence, Id hardly call this keeping track.
Oh you're BIG mad lol breathe man. It's not that serious.

Just don't expect me to take statements like "The NHL is not a developmental league, but you can develop in it", very seriously.

It's saying things without meaning it, never mind comprehending it.

 

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He seems to be gaining a bit of confidence and is progressing slowly but it seems he needs to work on his skating a lot.He is just too slow to keep up with the pace of the NHL game.If he improves this aspect of his game he will be a very good player.He has the smarts and hockey sense.
 

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Artificial in the sense that confidence comes and goes...and yes, if you're a player whose eligible to be sent down and you're struggling with confidence in the NHL, going down to the AHL can help you find your confidence and your game. Temporarily, it's a good option for some.

It's not an everlasting effect though because of the human nature of sports...confidence comes and goes. Look at Cole Caufield the last few weeks, he wasn't as confidence as what we're used to seeing, did anyone seriously think going down to the AHL would have been a good option to get him going again?

Why didn't anyone suggest that for Caufield? He was eligible as far as I know, he hasn't played more than the required 160 games for him to have to be waived to go down to the AHL.

Actually not eligible. Playoff games count. But your point is still valid. Even if eligible, no one would suggest that.

Maybe if he was in the AHL during this time, he'd have been scoring and ignoring the parts of his game that we're seeing with our eyes right now which are getting better and better. Maybe he's scoring in the AHL and not focusing on his board play, which was a clear area of focus.
Quite possibly true.
 
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Oh you're BIG mad lol breathe man. It's not that serious.

Just don't expect me to take statements like "The NHL is not a developmental league, but you can develop in it", very seriously.

It's saying things without meaning it.


Is it that you dont understand the statement or that you are arguing in bad faith?
 

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He seems to be gaining a bit of confidence and is progressing slowly but it seems he needs to work on his skating a lot.He is just too slow to keep up with the pace of the NHL game.If he improves this aspect of his game he will be a very good player.He has the smarts and hockey sense.
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Facts disagree with you on this
 

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Is it that you dont understand the statement or that you are arguing in bad faith?
It's that that statement is demonstrably false, it doesn't matter how you try to qualify it with additional statements like "But you can" or move the goalposts. It's just false 100%, full stop.

It's something Don Cherry said in a Rock em' Sock em' video in the 80s that hockey fans/media just repeat ad nauseam without critical thought.
 
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Not scoring was the argument that AHL backers were making to send him down.
Yes and no. Point production was definitely part of it. But his development has been uneven.
NHL backers are currently saying......that argument has been refutted. It is not the scoring that shows he should be in the NHL, it was all of the other stuff he was doing. But it was the lack of scoring that several posters hung their hat on to argue for the A. You know that is the truth White, and now trying to flip that argument around. That is kindergarten bullshit.
His play improved tremendously when he was moved up. For a while that play wasn’t rewarded with point production. Now… fortunately, it is.

5 in his last 7 is great. But I don’t think he’s going to do that the rest of the way. And it won’t surprise me at all if the team’s production drops as it did last year and his drops with it.

What matters is that he maintains his level of play and continues to improve. But I would be surprised if he maintains this recent points pace. I hope people don’t get carried away with it because I think there’s going to be a step back.
NHL has and will be the best place for Slaf to develop. The current proof lies in his past 7 games. The bigger proof is the curve with which he is developing over this entire season.
I felt he should be in the minors/Europe last year. Still feel that way.

This year I’ve gone back and forth. At the start I was for him going to the AHL. Then he and Dach ripped it up and I thought maybe it could work. Dach got hurt and he looked lost… at that point I argued to send him down or move him up. They moved him up and he’s been really good since.

So… would it have been better to start him in the minors at the beginning? I think so but we’ll never know. I think there’s little little doubt though that he’s earned his spot since moving up with CC. Still lots to work on but he’s coming along.

What matters is this: Does he belong in the NHL now? I think you’ll find few people who wouldn’t say ‘yes’.
 
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