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Juraj Slafkovsky - Year Two
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admiralcadillac
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I'll own it, I hope Slaf proves me wrong. No poo since 2girls1 cup ruined it
Can you link to that video for me please? Sounds intriguing. I’ll send it to my work colleagues.
River Meadow
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Seriously.
If he showed 'something'... and showed urgency and passion, etc.... despite making 10000 errors, then no worries, that is great and we would all understand.
But he isn't showing much, if anything at all, especially lately.
Yes, he had a beautiful pass on his assist in the first game of the season. That a glimpse into his playmaking ability, great. But what else have we seen? It's too few and far between, and he's been regressing hardcore as of the past few games.
As of right now, almost every time he touches the puck, he makes a mistake, because it seems like he just wants to get rid of it ASAP. That is deeply concerning tbh. A top line player cannot play this way and certainly not a developing player, unless we want him to develop into a 3rd-4th liner...
River Meadow
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100%.
Not sure on what planet you'd call his recent performances “mixed bag” or “very impressive” or “as expected”, but not on this one.
We aren't trying to be mean to the kid, we're all Habs fans after all, but we have to also be objective about what it is we're seeing.
I think some fans just put the rose colored glasses on and they stay loyal on no matter what, 'ride or die' style, which is very loyal and great and all, but... yeah, it's not based in reality thus the words behind it have little to no credibility.
All I can say is I haven't seen it. Because of the time zone I only get to watch the west coast and matinée games so I can't definitively say what he has or hasn't been doing in the other games. All I can say is that these occasions don't get clipped, aren't coming out in the stats at all, and didn't happen last night.
nhlfan9191
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If you aren’t, you should be.
Nah. All is good with our 1OA pick
River Meadow
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Yes.
I don't want him to become a 3rd liner.
Oh right....
Err sorry,
Everythingsssssssssss fiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiineeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
I don't think he will. Fans should stop acting like we picked another McCarron...
nhlfan9191
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Another funny piece of evidence, nobody's been @ ing me since the first game of the season. After that first game, I got some @ s lol. This is hfboards where we @ people when a prospect we liked and they didn't does a spinorama.
River Meadow
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On the Slaf situation there appears to be two camps right now.
1. Those are concerned because of the general situation, his recent play, historical play, progression, regression, etc...
2. Those who just want to seemingly ignore everything currently and give it 5 years.. "everything is fine".
2. Those who just want to seemingly ignore everything currently and give it 5 years.. "everything is fine".
Picture below for illustration:
Yes we will. The way some are over-reacting/feeling is unhealthy.
We will find out, eventually. The current picture is not the definitive answer. People should encourage the kid rather than take out their frustrations on him.
The new NHL, because of the Cap, has rushed young players to the NHL. Some are properly surrounded by a generationnal player (or two, in some lucky as hell situations) and produce immediately.
The new league has fans clamouring that a 19 year-old should already be dominant, or he is a bust.
Somethings don't change:
It takes longer to develop Ds, larger-bodied forwards and Gs. The exception that always pops up doesn't change the rule.
Calma, calma!
I wouldn't be surprised if Juraj becomes another Tage, or another Thornton (didn't he just retire)?
I'm certainly not closing my eyes, plugging my two ears and going, "La-la-la-la-la-la-la..." as I wait for Slafkovsky to magically blossom on the 17th day of Year Five, but all this micro analysis and constant desire to enact seppuku because of a bad shift by Slafkovsky is beyond ridiculous, really.
If posters were at least looking at the season in 20-game instalments to judge if progress is being made, I'd follow the discourse, but now, there is an anti Slafkovsky narrative circulating that is propagating completer BS about how he is bad in every way out there.
Some posters are clearly missing the Bergevin days when they could unload all their frustrations remotely on the guy as they are clearly laying groundwork for a Hughes is a moron rally cry.
The over-reactions to Juraj's every move is not reasonable discourse and I refuse to enable that.
River Meadow
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What exactly are the overreactions and what is unhealthy? Saying that he should be playing in the AHL instead of the NHL?
I think you're reading the room wrong.
Personally I've said it like 100 times now. This is 100% on Habs management and not on the player.
Again, this is 100% on the Habs management team.
That's not even close to what people are saying though.
No one is expecting him to be dominant or else he's a bust. It's the lack of progression that is worrisome, it's the lack of 'glimpses' of tangible skill plays or tools aside from some playmaking, and now the past few games he has been regressing hardcore. Again, this is on Habs management to recognize and course correct.
This is true, and hopefully this is true in his case as well.
The concern of course is he isn't really elite in any facet and from what we've seen, his hockey sense and IQ isn't top tier.
Glad you found a way to have fun with that. Good stuff.
Posters are looking for progression from shift to shift (I'm exaggerating, but not bl much). It's the micro-analyses going on that I find unhealthy and, honestly, unrealistic, like it's not about Slafkovsky progressing but, rather, being right about management being wrong about Slafkovsky.
People,as I stated elsewhere, should look at 20-game instalments and draw impressions from that, not game to game over-analyses.
Slafkovsky will be played as the long game, not some instant gratification ticket.
I wrote, elsewhere, that I'm looking at Monahan going to play C on the current Newhook line (Newhook bacon the wing with Juraj) as having more of an overall impact than playing Monahan with Suzuki and Caufield, even if I don't want people to lose track that is is also extremely important to place Caufield and Suzuki in a position to take another step in their development/progression.
I really wish Newhook would work with Caufield and Suzuki, because, after X-Mas, I'd really like fo Hughes to call up Roy and place him on the RW with Monahan and Slafkovsky. I think that line would have complementary players and could produce rather well.
Byfield is doing fine this year (no need to go back to Thronton). Same story as Slaf, I was not fond of the pick, yet when people were starting to try to buy low on him this offseason, I said it made no sense for LAK to do it and Byfield was still developping. The same applies to Slaf.
That being said, Byfield was sent to the AHL to get some quality ice time (Same for Rantanen a few years back).
We should not ask whether or not Slaf will be 2022 best player or if he is going to be a bust, it depends on other non Habs players. The question is how to make Slaf the best player he can be. I think most fans here criticize much more the development path than the player himself.
We all have opinions about his potential and opinions about his current play (even though for some people here merely saying Slaf is not good now is behaving like a bully apparently). In this regard I would really like to understand what people think he is doing well right now (I was one of the people saying he had improved a lot in training camp and in the first few games) except for a few breakout passes to Anderson.
That being said, Byfield was sent to the AHL to get some quality ice time (Same for Rantanen a few years back).
We should not ask whether or not Slaf will be 2022 best player or if he is going to be a bust, it depends on other non Habs players. The question is how to make Slaf the best player he can be. I think most fans here criticize much more the development path than the player himself.
We all have opinions about his potential and opinions about his current play (even though for some people here merely saying Slaf is not good now is behaving like a bully apparently). In this regard I would really like to understand what people think he is doing well right now (I was one of the people saying he had improved a lot in training camp and in the first few games) except for a few breakout passes to Anderson.
Jaynki
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Good post, i think the problem is also how development is perceived.
They have a clear and defined plan for Slaf as stated by both Hughes last year and re-stated by MSL this season in an interview with lapresse. He even said he was satisfied with his progress.
Development is not as simple and linear as step to follow like dominate the liiga, then dominate the ahl two years, then arrives in the NHL, etc like its pictured here.
Will it yield the desired result? Are they worsening Slaf or do they have him on the right path?
Nobody knows but to already conclude that his development is botched is not a foregone conclusion
BLONG7
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We all know it would have been better had he been in the AHL last year, and that ship has sailed.
This year, now if we were privy to inside info, they really should consider his play and lack of confidence on the ice, and put him down for 15-20 games, to get him going................just my 2 cents.
No big deal for him to go down, and play well down there........the kid looks good one shift, and lost the next, it's very strange.
The only reason Slafkovsky is not in the AHL, is because they realised that theirAmateur scouts were shit and that Slafkovsky doesnt have the tools to produce offensively. If they send him down and he doesnt produce, it will be crazy bad for them. So they rather keep him up with Marty and try to develop him as best as they can to save face.
I said it before and i said it again : never reach for a player who had a hot streak juste before the draft. This is a copy/paste of Puljujarvi whi was red hot before the draft, a big body forward with no IQ.
I said it before and i said it again : never reach for a player who had a hot streak juste before the draft. This is a copy/paste of Puljujarvi whi was red hot before the draft, a big body forward with no IQ.
Jaynki
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We don't know if it would have been better if he was in the AHL last year, in the grand scheme of thing.
I would totally agree if it were under MB/MT/CJ/DD. Because they had a linear, simple view of the process where the teenager was let to himself and he had to figue it out alone. As evidenced by how they acted with KK and Caufield.
The thing is the new administration have a different view of the process. I think right now a lot of emphasis is put on puck touches and MSL stated there was huge improvement from last year and that he can't wait to see where Slaf will be in another 12 month. What is the next stage in his development, in their plan? I don't know and we don't have those private information.
But we can't already conclude anything, especially not that his development is botched or that he would have been better served in the AHL although it makes sense. We are lacking data both from their plan, and from the future outcome to arrive at such conclusion.
I am not saying they are doing well, nor am i implying they are on the right track. Just that its too early to arrive at those conclusion.
@Mrb1p now that is propaganda
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Can we refrain from using top 50 players' names ALL-TIME when discussing "what he could become", just so we don't pour fuel on the fire right now?
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