Juraj Slafkovsky - Unicorn

[waitin425]

In what world are primary points and total points contradictory?

In a world where you argue that out of one side of your mouth that PPG is indicative of a players worth.

Then, out the other side, you say that it is primary points that should be relied upon to indicate a players worth.

Primary points rankings are not always the same as PPG rankings.....as I suspect is the case with Nemec and Minty, which is where this began.

Have you been into the whiskey, Whiskey?

 

[klefbombs shoulder]

So you believe McCarron has the same level of talent as Slaf?

I see two players of similar size and similar production this year. By your logic they are both unicorns.

Same for McDavid and JT Miller, right?

By kudo shinichi's logic sure.

I don't agree with his methodology.

 

[Lshap]

Slafkovsky wasn't an NHL-ready pick, which threw many of us off, including me. We expected to see a typical 1OA – they join the team and start showing flashes of their draft pedigree from game-one. However, Slafkovsky struggled out of the gate and looked very awkward. Yes, Montreal told us they were drafting a project, not a plug-and-play kid. However, it's hard to believe what we can't see, hence all the negative comments the first few weeks.

What we couldn't see from our TVs was the work ethic and determination under the hood. So much is determined by attitude; this kid really seems to be a coach's dream. Slaf is improving more and more with each week, which is cool to see.

Is he the best in class? Way too early to rank the 2022 draft, but he's been outscoring and outproducing the rest since November, trending stronger as the season goes on.

 

[CTHabsfan]

Ive been told Slafs a unicorn due to his size and skill. MaCarron is of similar size and has similar production. I guess they are both unicorns?

Similar production? Take away Slaf's nine goals and he still has one more point than McCarron. Slafkovsky already has eight more points than season than the nine years older McCarron had in his best NHL season.

 

[Czechboy]

Keep going Juraj... Slovakia needs you and hope you are in Prague tearing shit up!

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

I see two players of similar size and similar production this year. By your logic they are both unicorns.

Literally no. I never even mentioned production. I wrote "talent" in all my posts.

Even if you switch talent for production, Slafkovsky has been producing at a top 6 rate in his last 35 games and a top-line rate in his last 20. Slafkovsky is also only 19 years old with less than 90 nhl games played. It's pretty safe to say his overall production moving forward will be much better than what his overall production has been this season.

Somehow you're comparing that to McCarron who's 28 and has been a 4th line forward his whole career lmao.

 

[klefbombs shoulder]

Similar production? Take away Slaf's nine goals and he still has one more point than McCarron. Slafkovsky already has eight more points than season than the nine years older McCarron had in his best NHL season.

Slaf has played 12 more games.

MaC is pacing for a 15-11-26 year. Slaf for a 15-21-36 year. Thats close enough.

You want to omit that 1 player of the dozen I looked at fine. Look at all the other players in the comparison.

Literally no. I never even mentioned production. I wrote "talent" in all my posts.

Even if you switch talent for production, Slafkovsky has been producing at a top 6 rate in his last 35 games and a top-line rate in his last 20. Slafkovsky is also only 19 years old with less than 90 nhl games played. It's pretty safe to say his overall production moving forward will be much better than what his overall production has been this season.

Somehow you're comparing that to McCarron who's 28 and has been a 4th line forward his whole career lmao.

I don't cherry pick sample sizes. If you want to to make Slaf look like a unicorn. Go ahead.

That 4th line forward is pacing for the same amount of goals as Slaf over a full year.

And why all the focus on 1 player of the dozen I looked at? Drop him from the comparison if you want to.

36 point pace and big. What a unicorn lol.

 

[Frolov 6'3]

Let's be honest. 90% of non-habs fans expressing an opinion on Slaf have not watched him on a consistent basis outside of highlights. Let's not bullshit each other here.

Trust habs fans….

Was forced to stop reading after that.


That said, terribly annoying some young players can’t develop slowly anymore.

 

[MrHeiskanen]

Let's be honest. 90% of non-habs fans expressing an opinion on Slaf have not watched him on a consistent basis outside of highlights. Let's not bullshit each other here.

Trust habs fans when they say that he's been developing very well and showing high end skill. He's been growing into his skill level every game. There has been no regression in his game. Everything he's had to learn, he has been learning and has shown 0 slow down.

Also, just because there isn't a McDavid/Hughes/Crosby level talent in the 2022 draft doesn't mean Slaf isnt 1OA worthy. If he's the best player in the 2022 draft, then he was a 1OA pick.

Trust habs fans? The same fans that thought they stole Gurianov and Mr. St. Louis would make him an All-Star?

Sorry but it's hard to trust a fanbase with such blatant disregard for the truth.

 

[Jee]

When he scored last night I was thinking "I'm glad that "Slaf is the worst 1st overall" thread got closed so we can't bump it.

And yet ...

Slaf is awesome. One thing everyone agrees is that he's putting in an insane amount of work to become "the man" (his words) in Montreal.

I 100% woulda bumped it

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

I don't cherry pick sample sizes. If you want to to make Slaf look like a unicorn. Go ahead.

That 4th line forward is pacing for the same amount of goals as Slaf over a full year.

And why all the focus on 1 player of the dozen I looked at? Drop him from the comparison if you want to.

36 point pace and big. What a unicorn lol.

If you're too ignorant to understand that Slaf has barely scratched his potential and his production is only going to get better, then only look at the players of similar talent level as Slafkovsky, which is what I actually said.

 

[klefbombs shoulder]

Ryan McLeod - 98th percentile for top skating speed. 95th percentile for speed bursts 18-20 mph. 99th percentile for speed bursts over 20-22 mph. 98th percentile for speed bursts 22+ mph. 95th percentile defensive rating according to The Athletic.

Ryan mcLeod - Unicorn.

 

[Andy]

Trust habs fans? The same fans that thought they stole Gurianov and Mr. St. Louis would make him an All-Star?

Sorry but it's hard to trust a fanbase with such blatant disregard for the truth.

This was not a unanimous statement among habs fans. Stop trying to present the majority as some unified voice.

95% of Habs fans will tell you Slaf has been looking really good.

 

[klefbombs shoulder]

If you're too ignorant to understand that Slaf has barely scratched his potential and his production is only going to get better, then only look at the players of similar talent level as Slafkovsky, which is what I actually said.

And how should "talent level" be determined? From your say so? The Athletic player rating system has him as a 41 percentile offensive player and a 38 percentile defensive player. Hes pacing for 15 goals and 36 points. He has 15 ESP and a 5v5 p/60 of 1.1. None of this is that impressive.

I haven't seen enough from him to consider him a unicorn. Hes big, hes pacing for 36 points. If thats enough for you great. I disagree.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

In a world where you argue that out of one side of your mouth that PPG is indicative of a players worth.

Then, out the other side, you say that it is primary points that should be relied upon to indicate a players worth.

Primary points rankings are not always the same as PPG rankings.....as I suspect is the case with Nemec and Minty, which is where this began.

Have you been into the whiskey, Whiskey?

I never said that. Primary points are inherently more valuable than secondary points, but neither of those numbers indicate a players worth. They literally just tell you who has been more productive.

You're really reaching here. I know you're offended that someone may prefer other players to Slaf, but stop wasting my time.

 

[Lshap]

Slaf has played 12 more games.

MaC is pacing for a 15-11-26 year. Slaf for a 15-21-36 year. Thats close enough.

You want to omit that 1 player of the dozen I looked at fine. Look at all the other players in the comparison.


I don't cherry pick sample sizes. If you want to to make Slaf look like a unicorn. Go ahead.

That 4th line forward is pacing for the same amount of goals as Slaf over a full year.

And why all the focus on 1 player of the dozen I looked at? Drop him from the comparison if you want to.

36 point pace and big. What a unicorn lol.

Not sure what's unclear. Slafkovsky started off slowly and has been gradually improving since November, picking up more steam as the season continues.

As far as 'pace', he's been outpacing his draft class since the end of October. In other words, the pace of his pace keep going up.

 

[CTHabsfan]

Slaf has played 12 more games.

MaC is pacing for a 15-11-26 year. Slaf for a 15-21-36 year. Thats close enough.

You want to omit that 1 player of the dozen I looked at fine. Look at all the other players in the comparison.

26 points for 28-year-old McCarron is "close enough" to 36 points for 19-year-old Slafkovsky? OK, if you say so, but you're not taking into account Slafkovsky's recent increase in production which would give him more than 36 points.

As far the dozen of players you looked at, I only see Quinton Byfield as a reasonable comparison. Byfield looks to be a pretty good player who is only getting better.

 

[waitin425]

I never said that. Primary points are inherently more valuable than secondary points, but neither of those numbers indicate a players worth. They literally just tell you who has been more productive.

You're really reaching here. I know you're offended that someone may prefer other players to Slaf, but stop wasting my time.

So Primary points means someone is more productive? Why then, did you use PPG in the argument here?

That doesn't detract from the fact that Slaf is playing very well, and he does in fact have an extremely rare and valuable combination of skills. But he also gets to play with arguably the best linemates of anyone from his draft, and is still only 5th in PPG among 2022 picks (with 2 of the guys ahead of him being defenseman).

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Among guys already in the NHL, I would probably rank Slaf 4th or 5th in a redraft. Cooley, Nemec, and Mintyukov have all shown more promise IMO (and that's not a knock and Slaf). I think he would be battling it out with Jiricek for that 4th spot. I know that makes it sound like I am hating on the kid, but that draft is looking pretty strong, especially among D.

Remove the secondary points from your calculation above and then share what the PPG is, if you want to stick with one argument.

You are reaching and shifting and reaching some more.

For the record, I believe that neither is the be all and end all of indicators of a players value. We had our exchange about that in the previous Slaf thread. There are other stats that get factored in.

 

[jbeck5]

Slafkovsky wasn't an NHL-ready pick, which threw many of us off, including me. We expected to see a typical 1OA – they join the team and start showing flashes of their draft pedigree from game-one. However, Slafkovsky struggled out of the gate and looked very awkward. Yes, Montreal told us they were drafting a project, not a plug-and-play kid. However, it's hard to believe what we can't see, hence all the negative comments the first few weeks.

What we couldn't see from our TVs was the work ethic and determination under the hood. So much is determined by attitude; this kid really seems to be a coach's dream. Slaf is improving more and more with each week, which is cool to see.

Is he the best in class? Way too early to rank the 2022 draft, but he's been outscoring and outproducing the rest since November, trending stronger as the season goes on.

What you seem to describe in the first paragraph is what sens fan described zibanejad as.

Would you be happy with a zibanejad trajectory?

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Habs 2026 Stanley Cup champs place your bets now

 

[Jeune Poulet]

I still don't think the Habs made the right pick.

You're the guy who labeled Kotkaniemi a first line center earlier this year.

We'll live with the choice of Slafkovsky, thank you.

 

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[jfhabs]

Trust habs fans? The same fans that thought they stole Gurianov and Mr. St. Louis would make him an All-Star?

Sorry but it's hard to trust a fanbase with such blatant disregard for the truth.

Only a minority would've said that, that was far away from a consensus among the fan base.
I think a minority said St.Louis would make something out of him, but doubt ANYONE said he'd make him an ALLSTAR...

 

[MrHeiskanen]

Only a minority would've said that, that was far away from a consensus among the fan base.
I think a minority said St.Louis would make something out of him, but doubt ANYONE said he'd make him an ALLSTAR...

Sorry exaggeration. Turn him into an everyday player was the consensus, saying a minority hyped up the trade for the Habs POV is laughable.

 

[BLONG7]

And how should "talent level" be determined? From your say so? The Athletic player rating system has him as a 41 percentile offensive player and a 38 percentile defensive player. Hes pacing for 15 goals and 36 points. He has 15 ESP and a 5v5 p/60 of 1.1. None of this is that impressive.

I haven't seen enough from him to consider him a unicorn. Hes big, hes pacing for 36 points. If thats enough for you great. I disagree.

You haven't seen enough of him.........
Most habs know, he is a project, and will be for his first 2-3-4 years, which will make him 21-22 and we are ok with that...............
I am not sure what all the fuss is about? Because someone called him a unicorn? Who cares?
relax guys...........