Juraj Slafkovsky - Unicorn

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Andy

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I think a good role model and also a sort of best case scenario career for Slafkovsky should be someone like Marian Hossa. Fellow Slovak, big forward, good all over the ice. I don’t thing Slaf will score as many goals, but he may become a similar puck-protection, two-way beast with a more physical game.

Now Hossa wasn’t a first overall pick (12th), but most years, you could be quite happy drafting a Hossa 1st overall. If you look at Hossa’s early production, he scored 1 point in 7 games at 18, 30 points in 60 at 19 and 56 points in his third season. After that he really hit his prime offensively, becoming a ~ppg player. I think this sort of career progression is realistic for Slaf, if he keeps improving as he has been.
Hossa is the best comparable for Slaf.
 

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I wasn't the one who "cherry picked" the timeline. I was the only one using the entire season sample to compare the players. Then someone mentioned that Slaf has been better than Cooley since Cooley stagnated after October.

Try again. If you're going to accuse me of something, maybe put some actual effort into backing up your BS

Your opinion is of no value if all you do is read box scores.
Who said all I do is read box scores? Sounds like something you made up in your head.

and instead trust the scouting ability of those we find on this forum?
I didn't say that. I recommend forming your own opinion on players.
 

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Hossa was the fastest player on the Senators when he was drafted.

He also began his career during the third lowest scoring season in modern NHL history.
 

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I wasn't the one who "cherry picked" the timeline. I was the only one using the entire season sample to compare the players. Then someone mentioned that Slaf has been better than Cooley since Cooley stagnated after October.

Try again. If you're going to accuse me of something, maybe put some actual effort into backing up your BS


Who said all I do is read box scores? Sounds like something you made up in your head.


I didn't say that. I recommend forming your own opinion on players.
I have and it aligns with 5/10 scouts polled.
 

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Sorry exaggeration. Turn him into an everyday player was the consensus, saying a minority hyped up the trade for the Habs POV is laughable.
The guy started off great then fell apart, most were excited by the tools but immediately saw the lack of toolbox and effort will prevent him from being a consistent NHL player. Don't really understand how watching Gruianov for a handful of games is equivalent to the Habs fans watching their 1st OA develop immensely throughout the 50 games this season.
 

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The guy started off great then fell apart, most were excited by the tools but immediately saw the lack of toolbox and effort will prevent him from being a consistent NHL player. Don't really understand how watching Gruianov for a handful of games is equivalent to the Habs fans watching their 1st OA develop immensely throughout the 50 games this season.
To be fair, Gurianov looked good for his first 5 games with the Habs, especially compared with Dadonov. I guess we are overreacting to have a 1OA that looks like a first liner.
 

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Was watching the game, last night, and both the first and the 2nd goal really impressed me, because the first was very Ovechkin like in that he did the short curl and drag to open the defenseman's legs and then shoot. And the 2nd one from the right dot was Kucherov-esque. To beat the goalie clean on the far-side like that with pace was really impressive. I've remarked to some friends of mine that one of the things that he's had to do is slow his mind down. He sees things so quickly and immediately wants to make a pass or shoot and either his body or his teammates aren't ready for the pass. One of the few prospect-players in recent history that I've noted had to adjust to the NHL speed, but in the opposite way in that he needed to slow down his reads rather than having to make the reads quicker.

Just seems like a complete package. Has the net-front game, the right-shot PP game, has the hands. He just needs to continue to improve his puck-handling and skating. But he's the real deal, for me.
 

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Hossa is the best comparable for Slaf.
Funnily enough, when Hossa was drafted, there were concerns that he is an offense-only player who will be a defensive liability. That view didn’t age very well. Same may be true for whatever faults people find in Slaf’s game, with the right work ethic he will polish his game and become the complete package. A 19 year old player can still learn a lot, but you can’t learn to have that size, that’s why he went first overall.
 
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Remember all the Slaf is the worst 1OA since Yakupov threads…

Habs fans having a good couple weeks with the Money trade and slaf progress!

Haters must be sick of eating crow. Apparently it doesn’t taste like chicken.
 

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I wasn't the one who "cherry picked" the timeline. I was the only one using the entire season sample to compare the players. Then someone mentioned that Slaf has been better than Cooley since Cooley stagnated after October.

Try again. If you're going to accuse me of something, maybe put some actual effort into backing up your BS
:lol:

Wow. You used one entire season to build your argument... Impressive :sarcasm:

(Newsflash, 50 games is not "an entire season")

You offered a weak take built off of a poor use (or poor understanding) of cherry picked statistics, followed by post after post trying to salvage that weak take.

Rinse. Repeat.

You prefer Cooley to Slaf... Good for you. I don't think that opinion holds up now, and I think it will look even more foolish as time goes by...

but an opinion is an opinion. Power to you.

Twisting small sample sizes to try to give your opinion some kind of statistical grounding is cute, but not at all convincing. The poor use of statistics you've shown only highlights how little you know about either player & their respective development context.

Have a take, don't suck... But more importantly, don't cry or get upset when your bad take is exposed as such.
 

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Wow. You used one entire season to build your argument... Impressive :sarcasm:

(Newsflash, 50 games is not "an entire season")

You offered a weak take built off of a poor use (or poor understanding) of cherry picked statistics, followed by post after post trying to salvage that weak take.

Rinse. Repeat.

You prefer Cooley to Slaf... Good for you. I don't think that opinion holds up now, and I think it will look even more foolish as time goes by...

but an opinion is an opinion. Power to you.

Twisting small sample sizes to try to give your opinion some kind of statistical grounding is cute, but not at all convincing. The poor use of statistics you've shown only highlights how little you know about either player & their respective development context.

Have a take, don't suck... But more importantly, don't cry or get upset when your bad take is exposed as such.
I'm literally using the largest possible sample size. Please, tell me precisely what statistics I have cherry picked. This just reads like you're making stuff up, which I guess makes sense because that is exactly what is happening.
 

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He will probably not be better than Hischier or RNH.

RNH had an 100pt season, while yes with Drai and Mcd. I still don’t think Slaf will even be a ppg player.

Hischier is an elite two way forward and still gets you 65+ points every year. Selke type player. Something Slaf won’t be.
I respectfully disagree. RNH has 1 100 point season on the coattails of his leaders, to go along with 11 seasons of the player he really is (imo): a 50 to 70 points player.

On his own, with McD and Drain, I think RNH is not a very special player. On his own without Jack Hughes, I don't think Hischier is a special player either.

Slaf won't be a Selke player, I would tend to agree, but he brings a physical presence that none of those guys bring. I wouldn't dismiss a possibility that his blend of size and skill will be much more influential than Hischier/RNH who are fine players, but imo not the play drivers that 1OAs should hopefully be.

Then again, my evaluation could be wrong and others are welcome to disagree.

Edit: hummmm I thought this was a Habs board thread. I would have been more conservative in my assessment if I had known it was main board. Certainly neutral fans will have a more conservative opinion on his progress, which is fine. There is definitely a lot of projection in our enthusiasm for Slaf.
 

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I respectfully disagree. RNH has 1 100 point season on the coattails of his leaders, to go along with 11 seasons of the player he really is (imo): a 50 to 70 points player.

On his own, with McD and Drain, I think RNH is not a very special player. On his own without Jack Hughes, I don't think Hischier is a special player either.

Slaf won't be a Selke player, I would tend to agree, but he brings a physical presence that none of those guys bring. I wouldn't dismiss a possibility that his blend of size and skill will be much more influential than Hischier/RNH who are fine players, but imo not the play drivers that 1OAs should hopefully be.

Then again, my evaluation could be wrong and others are welcome to disagree.

Edit: hummmm I thought this was a Habs board thread. I would have been more conservative in my assessment if I had known it was main board. Certainly neutral fans will have a more conservative opinion on his progress, which is fine. There is definitely a lot of projection in our enthusiasm for Slaf.
Hischier doesn't play with Jack Hughes, and probably produces more with Hughes out of the lineup (because then he gets better wingers). He's an elite 2 way center.
 

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Glad we didn’t select Nemec. He looks like a 2nd pairing dman when he finally arrives. Too many holes to plug there. I like Jiri’s potential though.

Slafkovsky was the right choice. Pick the unicorn when there is no clear cut choice (like Cellebrini).
When he finally arrives?
 

MoneyManny

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Jesper Bratt is what I would label an absolute unicorn.

6th round pick unexpectedly ends up having 1st line talent (top 6 at worst) (with elite skating, edgework and good mostly everything else) and great training drive/work ethic.

Slafkovsky, is turning a good corner and getting better, but he isn't what I would call a unicorn at all being drafted 1oa. I'm not taking away his progress at all which is happening, just the usage of unicorn!
The term "unicorn" in a sports context usually refers to someone with a rare and valuable mix of attributes. Even if he busts, Slaf is still a unicorn. Bratt is a great player but i'm not sure the term fits.

Think like Ken Griffey jr, Eric Lindros, Lebron, Shaq, etc...
 
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