Juraj Slafkovsky - Unicorn
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I wasn't the one who "cherry picked" the timeline. I was the only one using the entire season sample to compare the players. Then someone mentioned that Slaf has been better than Cooley since Cooley stagnated after October.
Try again. If you're going to accuse me of something, maybe put some actual effort into backing up your BS
Who said all I do is read box scores? Sounds like something you made up in your head.
I didn't say that. I recommend forming your own opinion on players.
Considering the Habs have had 3 players even reach that mark in the last 3 years, you can understand why Habs are losing their minds over Slaf.
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Hossa was the fastest player on the Senators when he was drafted.
He also began his career during the third lowest scoring season in modern NHL history.
He also began his career during the third lowest scoring season in modern NHL history.
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I am glad to see no one in this thread is overreacting one bit. Well done, HF.
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The guy started off great then fell apart, most were excited by the tools but immediately saw the lack of toolbox and effort will prevent him from being a consistent NHL player. Don't really understand how watching Gruianov for a handful of games is equivalent to the Habs fans watching their 1st OA develop immensely throughout the 50 games this season.
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To be fair, Gurianov looked good for his first 5 games with the Habs, especially compared with Dadonov. I guess we are overreacting to have a 1OA that looks like a first liner.
Was watching the game, last night, and both the first and the 2nd goal really impressed me, because the first was very Ovechkin like in that he did the short curl and drag to open the defenseman's legs and then shoot. And the 2nd one from the right dot was Kucherov-esque. To beat the goalie clean on the far-side like that with pace was really impressive. I've remarked to some friends of mine that one of the things that he's had to do is slow his mind down. He sees things so quickly and immediately wants to make a pass or shoot and either his body or his teammates aren't ready for the pass. One of the few prospect-players in recent history that I've noted had to adjust to the NHL speed, but in the opposite way in that he needed to slow down his reads rather than having to make the reads quicker.
Just seems like a complete package. Has the net-front game, the right-shot PP game, has the hands. He just needs to continue to improve his puck-handling and skating. But he's the real deal, for me.
Just seems like a complete package. Has the net-front game, the right-shot PP game, has the hands. He just needs to continue to improve his puck-handling and skating. But he's the real deal, for me.
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Funnily enough, when Hossa was drafted, there were concerns that he is an offense-only player who will be a defensive liability. That view didn’t age very well. Same may be true for whatever faults people find in Slaf’s game, with the right work ethic he will polish his game and become the complete package. A 19 year old player can still learn a lot, but you can’t learn to have that size, that’s why he went first overall.
Remember all the Slaf is the worst 1OA since Yakupov threads…
Habs fans having a good couple weeks with the Money trade and slaf progress!
Haters must be sick of eating crow. Apparently it doesn’t taste like chicken.
Habs fans having a good couple weeks with the Money trade and slaf progress!
Haters must be sick of eating crow. Apparently it doesn’t taste like chicken.
Wow. You used one entire season to build your argument... Impressive
(Newsflash, 50 games is not "an entire season")
You offered a weak take built off of a poor use (or poor understanding) of cherry picked statistics, followed by post after post trying to salvage that weak take.
Rinse. Repeat.
You prefer Cooley to Slaf... Good for you. I don't think that opinion holds up now, and I think it will look even more foolish as time goes by...
but an opinion is an opinion. Power to you.
Twisting small sample sizes to try to give your opinion some kind of statistical grounding is cute, but not at all convincing. The poor use of statistics you've shown only highlights how little you know about either player & their respective development context.
Have a take, don't suck... But more importantly, don't cry or get upset when your bad take is exposed as such.
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I'm literally using the largest possible sample size. Please, tell me precisely what statistics I have cherry picked. This just reads like you're making stuff up, which I guess makes sense because that is exactly what is happening.
Wow. You used one entire season to build your argument... Impressive
(Newsflash, 50 games is not "an entire season")
You offered a weak take built off of a poor use (or poor understanding) of cherry picked statistics, followed by post after post trying to salvage that weak take.
Rinse. Repeat.
You prefer Cooley to Slaf... Good for you. I don't think that opinion holds up now, and I think it will look even more foolish as time goes by...
but an opinion is an opinion. Power to you.
Twisting small sample sizes to try to give your opinion some kind of statistical grounding is cute, but not at all convincing. The poor use of statistics you've shown only highlights how little you know about either player & their respective development context.
Have a take, don't suck... But more importantly, don't cry or get upset when your bad take is exposed as such.
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I respectfully disagree. RNH has 1 100 point season on the coattails of his leaders, to go along with 11 seasons of the player he really is (imo): a 50 to 70 points player.
On his own, with McD and Drain, I think RNH is not a very special player. On his own without Jack Hughes, I don't think Hischier is a special player either.
Slaf won't be a Selke player, I would tend to agree, but he brings a physical presence that none of those guys bring. I wouldn't dismiss a possibility that his blend of size and skill will be much more influential than Hischier/RNH who are fine players, but imo not the play drivers that 1OAs should hopefully be.
Then again, my evaluation could be wrong and others are welcome to disagree.
Edit: hummmm I thought this was a Habs board thread. I would have been more conservative in my assessment if I had known it was main board. Certainly neutral fans will have a more conservative opinion on his progress, which is fine. There is definitely a lot of projection in our enthusiasm for Slaf.
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Hischier doesn't play with Jack Hughes, and probably produces more with Hughes out of the lineup (because then he gets better wingers). He's an elite 2 way center.
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The term "unicorn" in a sports context usually refers to someone with a rare and valuable mix of attributes. Even if he busts, Slaf is still a unicorn. Bratt is a great player but i'm not sure the term fits.
Think like Ken Griffey jr, Eric Lindros, Lebron, Shaq, etc...
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Ya that's why I was confused about why someone would say "when he finally arrives" like he's not currently in the NHL.
Playing but not at a level of a bonafide 2nd pairing. Too inconsistent. Of course you will disagree because of your bias…
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