July 1st - Free Agent Extravaganza Part III
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HFsNumber1Heel
FKA Roo Returns...Still A Contrarian Apparently
There ares still some decent UFAs out there. If the organization is committed to going with kids like Miller, Fast, Lindberg, etc. that's fine. Cool.
Dan Boyle is not playing a full 82 game season. Connor Allen will see some time. McLIrath or Bodie might as well.
The issue is size and PKing. They need to address both.
Why hasn't Daniel Winnik been signed? That guy can score a little and has size. He can play either on the fourth line or higher up. He's very physical. A fourth line of Glass-Moore-Winnik actually looks decent.
What's with Legwand? He's still out there. Perfect 3C and he can skate. What are his demands?
Booth has never been the same since the horrible concussion he suffered. I'd stay away. Penner is very inconsistent. He does show up for the playoffs but he'll drive AV nuts throughout the regular season. Heatley's skating is bad and you add MSG ice to that? No thanks. Stempniak doesn't help with size at all. His time to play on the Rangers was about five years ago. Setoguchi isn't the same.
Ott would be very good. Sandpaper, can take faceoffs, and can skate. His value must be low because his time in STL wasn't a success. Give him a one year deal.
Also for PKing...who is going to PK for this team? Moore, Stepan, Hagelin, Nash, MSL, Glass, Fast, MZA? Can Miller PK? Will Lindberg? It's nice the top guys PK but over the course of a full season, you don't want to tire them out. I'vea always been a firm believer in that at least two of your fourth line guys should have specific skills and play more than 5 minutes a night so either they're going to PK or be young PP specialists. Everyone needs to contribute.
So out of process of elimination and based on the way this team plays, sign Winnik and either take a flier on Ott, or see what is up with Legwand.
Dan Boyle is not playing a full 82 game season. Connor Allen will see some time. McLIrath or Bodie might as well.
The issue is size and PKing. They need to address both.
Why hasn't Daniel Winnik been signed? That guy can score a little and has size. He can play either on the fourth line or higher up. He's very physical. A fourth line of Glass-Moore-Winnik actually looks decent.
What's with Legwand? He's still out there. Perfect 3C and he can skate. What are his demands?
Booth has never been the same since the horrible concussion he suffered. I'd stay away. Penner is very inconsistent. He does show up for the playoffs but he'll drive AV nuts throughout the regular season. Heatley's skating is bad and you add MSG ice to that? No thanks. Stempniak doesn't help with size at all. His time to play on the Rangers was about five years ago. Setoguchi isn't the same.
Ott would be very good. Sandpaper, can take faceoffs, and can skate. His value must be low because his time in STL wasn't a success. Give him a one year deal.
Also for PKing...who is going to PK for this team? Moore, Stepan, Hagelin, Nash, MSL, Glass, Fast, MZA? Can Miller PK? Will Lindberg? It's nice the top guys PK but over the course of a full season, you don't want to tire them out. I'vea always been a firm believer in that at least two of your fourth line guys should have specific skills and play more than 5 minutes a night so either they're going to PK or be young PP specialists. Everyone needs to contribute.
So out of process of elimination and based on the way this team plays, sign Winnik and either take a flier on Ott, or see what is up with Legwand.
If I were Slats I would go heavily after Kevin Hayes, a 22 y/o left shooting 6'4 LW/RW who scored 60 in 40 in College.
He will become a UFA on 15 August if Chicago can't sign him. Chicago will get a mid-2nd round pick as compensation for Hayes if not signed, and we can't top that offer. But we could give up a lower pick to get Chicago's permission to talk to Hayes, the price for that shouldn't be more than say a 5th round pick. We couldn't sign Hayes before the 15 August without formally acquiring his rights -- but we could get a handshake deal with him and I don't see too many agents screwing Slats over and I don't see why Hayes should change his opinion. We would more or less have to "promise" him a spot on the roster, but that shouldn't be impossible...
Kreider-Step-Nash
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Hayes has done a real good job playing with Gaudreau in College, and Gaudreau is a player in the same mold as Brass and Zucc. Hayes could do alright in that role. He is a big kid with good hands and smarts. He is good at adjusting to a smart play-maker. He also has a past as a center and is a bit of a lottery ticket to find one of those bigger centers, although that isn't likely.
I am not at all sold on that Hayes is a perfect fit for us, I think he skates well when he gets his speed up but he isn't gritty nor intense enough to be that big player type that just eats up Ds on the forecheck and he doesn't quite move well enough to be a big offensive threat. At least not at this point in his career. BUT, he is a good hockey player. He would do perfectly al right with Brass and Zucc and probably get decent stats. He would be a young big kid playing on an ELC in the NHL doing quite well in other words, IE if nothing else he would get a lot of value as a trade chip.
He will become a UFA on 15 August if Chicago can't sign him. Chicago will get a mid-2nd round pick as compensation for Hayes if not signed, and we can't top that offer. But we could give up a lower pick to get Chicago's permission to talk to Hayes, the price for that shouldn't be more than say a 5th round pick. We couldn't sign Hayes before the 15 August without formally acquiring his rights -- but we could get a handshake deal with him and I don't see too many agents screwing Slats over and I don't see why Hayes should change his opinion. We would more or less have to "promise" him a spot on the roster, but that shouldn't be impossible...
Kreider-Step-Nash
Hayes-Brass-Zucc
Hagelin-Miller-MSL
Glass-Moore-Fast
McD-Girardi
Staal-Boyle
Moore-Klein
Hayes has done a real good job playing with Gaudreau in College, and Gaudreau is a player in the same mold as Brass and Zucc. Hayes could do alright in that role. He is a big kid with good hands and smarts. He is good at adjusting to a smart play-maker. He also has a past as a center and is a bit of a lottery ticket to find one of those bigger centers, although that isn't likely.
I am not at all sold on that Hayes is a perfect fit for us, I think he skates well when he gets his speed up but he isn't gritty nor intense enough to be that big player type that just eats up Ds on the forecheck and he doesn't quite move well enough to be a big offensive threat. At least not at this point in his career. BUT, he is a good hockey player. He would do perfectly al right with Brass and Zucc and probably get decent stats. He would be a young big kid playing on an ELC in the NHL doing quite well in other words, IE if nothing else he would get a lot of value as a trade chip.
UAGoalieGuy
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I think Hayes ends up in Florida to play with his brother or Calgary to play with his former linemates Arnold and Gaudreau.
Don't see him coming to NY unfortunately.
Don't see him coming to NY unfortunately.
Zil
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UAGoalieGuy
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Rangers don't have any cap space for Winnik and/Legwand.
If anything they save that $2 million in cap space for injury callups and trades during the season.
Barring a trade, and I don't know who'd they move, I think signing the RFA's will be the only moves left.
HFsNumber1Heel
FKA Roo Returns...Still A Contrarian Apparently
Why hasn't Winnik or Legwand been signed yet? Are their demands too much? Every day they don't sign at this point, they lose money. They can definitely add Winnik for slightly over a million. They'll still have money leftover for callups.
Once again, if they're confident in going with what they have and the spots go to Miller/Fast/Lindberg, I'm fine with that. It would be nice if they were a little more open about it though. I'm confident in those three and we all know that Fast is a pretty good PKer and will only get better.
Size is still an issue though. They need one more banger. Winnik is the right guy.
Mcclement is a 4th line C while glass replaces Dorsett . He fights, hits , blocks and kills penalties
UAGoalieGuy
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Im getting conflicting reports on how well Glass can kill penalties. According to Pens fans he isn't very good at it and shouldn't be used more than a 5th PKer.
Zil
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The stats say his PK ability is pretty awful just like the rest of his game. He'll punch faces because that's what he does and he'll rack up hits because the other team will have the puck most of the time he's out there. There's little else to him.
HFsNumber1Heel
FKA Roo Returns...Still A Contrarian Apparently
That's not good.
So that means PKers (in no order);
1. Moore
2. Hagelin
3. Stepan
4. Nash
5. MSL
6. Fast
7. MZA
8. Glass
Only one of those guys (Moore) can actually win a faceoff on the PK.
UAGoalieGuy
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That's why I kind of what Ott or Winnik signed if either can be had at 1 year $1 million. Ott can play LW and center. Just don't know how effective he is on the PK now.
Winnik can play RW and center, I just don't know if he could be had for $1 million.
Zil
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Unless we add someone, Lindberg is going to make the team. Supposedly he's a top notch faceoff man and will likely see time on the penalty kill eventually if not immediately.
Until we pick someone up, these are our forwards (RFAs in italics):
Kreider-Stepan-Nash
Zuccarello-Brassard-St. Louis
Hagelin-Miller-Fast
Lindberg-Moore-Glass
UAGoalieGuy
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People are forgetting about Ryan Bourque. He could win a spot on the 4th line wing. Im not sure if he could PK effectively.
Zil
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All three of Miller, Fast, and Lindberg should be in the lineup unless they pick up a quality vet like Stempniak. Flanking Moore with Glass and Carcillo gives you a lousy fourth line. We're better off rolling Lindberg-Moore-Carcillo than Glass-Moore-Carcillo.
Glass is horrible. The Rangers have no money. Rangers made the playoffs by 6 points last year. Is this lineup better then last years? Personally, I don't think so.
jerseyjinx94
I jinx players.
I have a feeling Stepan is going to really work on his faceoffs. It's one thing that's keeping him from being elite defensively.
Ail
Based and Rangerspilled.
jerseyjinx94
I jinx players.
A full year of Kreider and St Louis might make a big difference there
Other forwards we're talking about replacing...Pouliot and his 36 points, Richards scored 30 even strength points, we're not talking massive holes that can't be fixed, and the roster at the start of the season isn't the one you have to live with. The Rangers will be looking for trades
People ***** when Slats signs big name free agents.
People ***** when Slats doesn't sign any big name free agents.
Hmm...
People ***** when Slats doesn't sign any big name free agents.
Hmm...
Ghost of jas
Unsatisfied
Exactly. IMO, you have at least six players whose arrow is still pointed up - Kreider, Stepan, Zucc, McD and Hagelin. You also have Brassard who benefits from his chemistry wth Zucc, and full year of MSL, as well as the offensive upgrade of Boyle over Stralman. People always seem to think lineups are static.
HFsNumber1Heel
FKA Roo Returns...Still A Contrarian Apparently
Size, size, size. I have no problem with the trio of Miller/Fast/Lindberg making the team, each will help, but it doesn't address size. Carcillo wouldn't either.
They need at least one more winger with size, even if Miller starts the season on wing. That's where Winnik would come into play. Just someone to bang bodies and hold onto the puck in the O-Zone.
Fast will help out on the PK. He did pretty well there last year and he blocks shots. He's a less physical more skilled version of Cally at this point in his young career.
They need at least one more winger with size, even if Miller starts the season on wing. That's where Winnik would come into play. Just someone to bang bodies and hold onto the puck in the O-Zone.
Fast will help out on the PK. He did pretty well there last year and he blocks shots. He's a less physical more skilled version of Cally at this point in his young career.
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