Recalled/Assigned: JT Miller

[frisland]

so can we start throwing out miller for grigorenko rumors now?

 

[Levitate]

If I were betting I'd say he was pissed about getting benched in Calgary and said something he shouldn't have.

Also pro athletes liking to party isn't an unusual thing, especially young guys who haven't really gotten into everything the pro game requires.

If you never drafted a guy who liked to party you'd never draft anyone

 

[ecemleafs]

speculating, but maybe he got bombed in canada and then played poorly the next game in calgary or was very lethargic in practice.

 

[Fitzy]

Miller is going to be a fine hockey player, apparently he just needs to grow up. If he hasn't matured to the point where he goes the extra mile to get the 20 thousand bi-weekly paycheck instead of the 2 thousand dollar one, that's his business.

 

[nyr2k2]

Wow, didn't see that coming.

 

[chosen]

Considering Stepan has something like 18 points in his last 16 games, and Kreider has missed, what, the last four of them, I would venture to guess that Kreider removal from the lineup is not directly leading Stepan suddenly thriving. But, hey, Kreider is apparently a burr under your saddle, so, contort the facts as you see fit to correlate to your viewpoint.

My point was, and remains, that Kreider' s loss has had zero negative impact on his linemates. Right or wrong?

The other point remains that Kreider is always forgiven his shortcomings while certain players are whipping boys even though they have been more effective. True or not?

I like Kreider and think he has great potential, but I will criticize him if he underachieves.

I assume next year he will finally get it and then those who think he is good this year will be more correct in their evaluations.

 

[haveandare]

Wow, AV really laying into him.

I'd bet that AV feels like he knows Miller enough to know how he'll react to something like this. I doubt he'd say such things about a player who has fragile ego. From what Torts said about Miller back in the day, he sounded more like a Dubi kind of guy who maybe thinks a little too highly of himself. That's not necessarily bad, it can be leveraged into making him a better player. On the other hand, Miller is a young guy. My own generation seems to have a real problem with accepting harsh criticism (obviously a generalization, not a hard and fast rule) and it seems that younger generations have that problem as well, again, speaking generally. Gotta be careful with stuff like this.

 

[OverTheCap]

Ouch, the minor league player comment is harsh.

The Rangers would be wise not to make any rash moves regarding Miller. Dubinsky was once an immature player and now he is wearing an "A." There aren't many players like Miller in the system so they need to be patient with him.

 

[Beer League Sniper]

Maybe the AHL is just coming too easily for him and he's slacked off.

I had a 97 average coming out of high school. I pretty much played Halo my entire senior year and did my homework while I was supposed to be taking notes for other classes. High school came way too easily for me.

Second semester of college level engineering was my wakeup call. I had to decide whether I wanted to get plastered and play Halo until 5am every night of the week, or put in the necessary time to make sure I got my coursework done. I still got to have alot of fun, but school came first.

Point is, hopefully this is Miller's wakeup call. That being said, he does deserve a little slack. He's a 20 year old kid who has more disposable income than he's ever had in his life, and didn't get the "college experience" that most kids his age have. Most kids his age are partying hard and getting laid almost every weekend. He needs to understand that's the sacrifice of the path he's chosen. I'm sure he'll get it soon.

 

[TeamStewie]

Meh, it worked with Pouliot.

 

[Ghost of jas]

My point was, and remains, that Kreider, s loss has had zero negative impact on his lineages. Right or wrong?

The other point remains that Kreider is always forgiven his shortcomings while certain players are whipping boys eve though they have been m ore effective. True or not?

I like Kreider and think he has great potential, but I will criticize him if he underscores.

I assume next year he will finally get it and then those who think he is good this year will be more correct in their evaluations.

People will always forgive the players they like for their shortcomings. There are fans here who regardless of how he played, would give Callahan one of the top three stars because he 'is Ryan Callahan'. There are the Zucc groupies. There is a poster who continued to insist Stepan was the reason for any shortcoming Kreider has had this season. And, yes, Boyle has been a constant whipping boy, especially for the 'toffness crowd'. I'm realty not interested in evening the scales. I like this team and I like its makeup. I try to not underplay the contributions each player makes. I'll leave it at that.

 

[RangerBoy]

Miller didn't report to training camp in very good shape. He hurt his hamstring early in camp because he wasn't in shape. He is only Rangers young forward in the system with any size. This team isn't winning anything with the hobbits and turn the other cheek attitude. Don't air dirty laundry in public. Tortorella did the same thing with Kreider last season. He said Kreider has a lot to learn about being a professional. I hated it when Tortorella said that. Same thing with Vigneault here.

February 28,2013

Torts on Kreider: "I think Chris has a lot to learn about the game and a lot to learn about how to be a pro."

https://twitter.com/AGrossRecord/status/307262813116723201

Vigneault didn't learn his lesson after the Hodgson disaster. Hodgson complained of a bad back. The Vancouver doctors cleared him. The Cleveland Clinic found there was something wrong with the back. AV chastised Hodgson in the media for using the back as an excuse for making the team.

Shut the **** up

Now you know why Ryan Kesler would rather go to prison than play for Alain Vigneault again. Tony Gallagher of the Vancouver Province said that. Its no wonder Kesler wanted out of VAN after dealing with Torts who should be given his walking papers after this season.

Tony Gallagher on Kesler/NYR: Kesler would rather go to prison than play for Alain Vigneault.

https://twitter.com/MikeMartignago/status/438859917508608000

 

[Thirty One]

Miller didn't report to training camp in very good shape. He hurt his hamstring early in camp because he wasn't in shape. He is only Rangers young forward in the system with any size. This team isn't winning anything with the hobbits and turn the other cheek attitude. Don't air dirty laundry in public. Tortorella did the same thing with Kreider last season. He said Kreider has a lot to learn about being a professional. I hated it when Tortorella said that. Same thing with Vigneault here.

February 28,2013



https://twitter.com/AGrossRecord/status/307262813116723201

Vigneault didn't learn his lesson after the Hodgson disaster. Hodgson complained of a bad back. The Vancouver doctors cleared him. The Cleveland Clinic found there was something wrong with the back. AV chastised Hodgson in the media for using the back as an excuse for making the team.

Shut the **** up

Now you know why Ryan Kesler would rather go to prison than play for Alain Vigneault again. Tony Gallagher of the Vancouver Province said that. Its no wonder Kesler wants out of VAN after dealing with Torts who should be given his walking papers at the season.



https://twitter.com/MikeMartignago/status/438859917508608000

Well Kesler is a ****, but yeah, AV has a bad habit of doing this.

 

[Ghost of jas]

The Miller/Kreider dichotomy is pretty fascinating in the scope of Tortorella vs. Vigneault. Torts liked the cocky guy, Vigneault likes the vanilla guy.

Regardless, both of them need to work out for the Rangers to be successful going forward.

Didn't Tortorella make the same comment about Kreider that AV just made about Miller?

 

[Beer League Sniper]

I guess this answers the question as to why AV would rather use Carcillo on the top line than give Miller another minute of icetime.

Why not call up Fast though?

 

[Fitzy]

This made me laugh.

Its also true.

There is a pretty large difference between Leetch and Messier doing shots and falling off bar stools at 3rd and Longs... and Theo Fleury sipping homemade gin out of a hobos boot in an alley in Chelsea.

I think players need to be able to stay loose over a long season, you just obey the 24 hour rule when it comes to games.

I didn't understand why Miller was benched, I don't really understand why he was sent down. If he can help us in the playoffs we can worry about maturity later.

 

[AKrangerfan]

He is not the first hockey player to have problems off ice. Hope he gets himself straightened out.

In 1984, the US hockey team came to Anchorage for an exhibition game. Chelios got in some trouble after the game. He was bailed out and rushed out of town:

Early on during the exhibition season, Chelios — the team's best defender — was arrested in Anchorage for snatching a woman's purse, and spent the night in a local jail. According to one American player, who witnessed the scene, Chelios was drunk, and had escorted the woman into a hotel room. "He was wasted, and he came staggering in with her," the teammate says. "I jumped up and said, ‘What the hell is going on here?' He handed the woman some money, then he ran after her outside the hotel to grab her pocket book to get the money back. A police officer was walking by at that exact moment.

This is not the only time Chelios got arrested during his career.

Not trying to make light of it, apparently AV has him on a short leash which will probably be good for him in the long run.

 

[Chaels Arms]

Miller, IMO, is a great example of the importance of proper player development. People point to Detroit's drafting record and just conveniently ignore the way Detroit handles their players AFTER the draft. Nyquist was drafted 6 seasons ago. If Miller had been drafted by that team they would have let him develop properly for an extended period of time. He would have been called up when he was seriously ready to contribute, not the rubberband nonsense this team has put him through.

It also doesn't help that he's probably totally confused as to what this team expects him to be now. He's now dealing with two NHL coaches with completely different philosophies, of course it's going to be tough.

 

[nyr2k2]

Miller, IMO, is a great example of the importance of proper player development. People point to Detroit's drafting record and just conveniently ignore the way Detroit handles their players AFTER the draft. Nyquist was drafted 6 seasons ago. If Miller had been drafted by that team they would have let him develop properly for an extended period of time. He would have been called up when he was seriously ready to contribute, not the rubberband nonsense this team has put him through.

It also doesn't help that he's probably totally confused as to what this team expects him to be now. He's now dealing with two NHL coaches with completely different philosophies, of course it's going to be tough.

Nyquist played 18 NHL games in 2011 and 22 games in 2012. Is that different than Miller getting 26 games last year and 30 this season?

 

[offdacrossbar]

im not so much concerned about miller living life and acting like a 20 yr old guy with the world by the balls as i am with what this calling out might do to his psyche. i have no idea what the problem is but i assume its his off ice habits. if so, its up to him to get it worked out.

what i do have an enormous problem with is av opening his pie hole to the media who will make more out of this than necessary and create an environment that is both unhealthy and detrimental to this kids development.

this is how " labels" are created and this kind of "calling out" is just plain stupidness on the part of a professional nhl head coach. keep it in the locker room coach.

none of this is good.

 

[Megustaelhockey]

Folks, JT Miller's off-ice activities MUST be supported by links to credible news sources.

And references to underage drinking are also not allowed according to site rule 18.

 

[Chaels Arms]

Nyquist played 18 NHL games in 2011 and 22 games in 2012. Is that different than Miller getting 26 games last year and 30 this season?

I don't think it's just a matter of time and games played, it's more about the totality of the situation. Nyquist had 3 years and 1 full AHL season under his belt when he got that first call up and when that happened he was inserted into a lineup behind established players like Datsyuk and Zetterberg. They've had the same coach, the same philosophy his entire tenure there. He knows what the team expects of him.

I don't even know what this team expects of Miller at this point. Either let him play at the NHL level and sort out his issues without the press stuff or send him back to the AHL until you actually need him.

 

[nyr2k2]

I don't think it's just a matter of time and games played, it's more about the totality of the situation. Nyquist had 3 years and 1 full AHL season under his belt when he got that first call up and when that happened he was inserted into a lineup behind established players like Datsyuk and Zetterberg. They've had the same coach, the same philosophy his entire tenure there. He knows what the team expects of him.

I don't even know what this team expects of Miller at this point. Either let him play at the NHL level and sort out his issues without the press stuff or send him back to the AHL until you actually need him.

I agree with you on the totality of the circumstances point. I don't agree with the original statement that Detroit wouldn't call him up until he was good and ready, or the extension of that--that the Rangers would call up a player they know is not ready. You don't know that a guy is ready until he proves it at the NHL level. Sometimes it takes multiple trips.

 

[eco's bones]

im not so much concerned about miller living life and acting like a 20 yr old guy with the world by the balls as i am with what this calling out might do to his psyche. i have no idea what the problem is but i assume its his off ice habits. if so, its up to him to get it worked out.

what i do have an enormous problem with is av opening his pie hole to the media who will make more out of this than necessary and create an environment that is both unhealthy and detrimental to this kids development.

this is how " labels" are created and this kind of "calling out" is just plain stupidness on the part of a professional nhl head coach. keep it in the locker room coach.

none of this is good.

Agree. Didn't like Torts hammering Kreider--it's about the same here. Thought Richards comments on Callahan were classless. All **** that doesn't need to be aired. The people doing the airing are not ****ing saints either.

 

[JimmyG89]

He is a minor leaguer right now. He's close to being an NHLer. We don't want just an NHLer. We want an impact player that was taken 15th overall. Sometimes they need a kick in the ass.