Recalled/Assigned: JT Miller

[Thirty One]

He is a minor leaguer right now. He's close to being an NHLer. We don't want just an NHLer. We want an impact player that was taken 15th overall. Sometimes they need a kick in the ass.

Why should he be an NHLer now? How many 15th overall picks are by their 21st birthday?

I think he's a marginal NHLer now, but definitely a better option to play in the top-9 than either Carcillo or Moore.

 

[ecemleafs]

im not so much concerned about miller living life and acting like a 20 yr old guy with the world by the balls as i am with what this calling out might do to his psyche. i have no idea what the problem is but i assume its his off ice habits. if so, its up to him to get it worked out.

what i do have an enormous problem with is av opening his pie hole to the media who will make more out of this than necessary and create an environment that is both unhealthy and detrimental to this kids development.

this is how " labels" are created and this kind of "calling out" is just plain stupidness on the part of a professional nhl head coach. keep it in the locker room coach.

none of this is good.

how do we know that this isnt something AV has been talking to miller privately about for the past 8-9 months and its still something that JTM hasn't addressed?

 

[Ail]

Didnt realize that wasn't part of the equation when folks list a bunch of prospect names and declare they'll be ready for NHL action soon.

How many prospects are assumed to have off-ice issues? It's definitely the exception not the rule. How many of the Rangers picks from the last 10 years now in the NHL had off-ice issues by the time they got to the NHL level, or even before? Why would anyone factor that in before determining whether or not a prospect looks NHL ready without being privy to that information?

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

im not so much concerned about miller living life and acting like a 20 yr old guy with the world by the balls as i am with what this calling out might do to his psyche. i have no idea what the problem is but i assume its his off ice habits. if so, its up to him to get it worked out.

what i do have an enormous problem with is av opening his pie hole to the media who will make more out of this than necessary and create an environment that is both unhealthy and detrimental to this kids development.

this is how " labels" are created and this kind of "calling out" is just plain stupidness on the part of a professional nhl head coach. keep it in the locker room coach.

none of this is good.

If he thinks he has the world by the balls then that's a bigger worry than what some words might do to his psyche. If he thinks he has the world by the balls, then he's got awfully low standards.

 

[BwayBshirt]

AV has done this with Kreider, Pouliot, Moore & MDZ.

So far, 3 of them have responded positively to varying levels of success/contribution. 1 did not, got shipped out, and still hasn't responded in a new environment.

Hope that Miller overcomes this.

 

[Kovalev27]

So like I said this kid did something to piss everyone off

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

How many prospects are assumed to have off-ice issues? It's definitely the exception not the rule. How many of the Rangers picks from the last 10 years now in the NHL had off-ice issues by the time they got to the NHL level, or even before? Why would anyone factor that in before determining whether or not a prospect looks NHL ready without being privy to that information?

99.9% of people have no idea what makes a prospect NHL ready on the ice either

 

[Wolfy*]

So like I said this kid did something to piss everyone off

Or said something. I understand it isn't Miller's play, but he has an attitude problem.

He wont have much success in this league if he's running his mouth at the coaches.

 

[Mikos87]

So like I said this kid did something to piss everyone off

I think you're right... Given AV's reaction it must have been it. Two bombs that went wide and caused odd man rushes.. DZ made the same mistakes and shipped. It would be a shame to watch Miller get traded, but AV doesn't seem to mesh well with emotional players...

DZ, Kesler, now Miller, types of players that wear their hearts on their sleeves... Could just be a conflict of personality as AV seems to like the nice guy approach to being a pro.

I personally am more of a thinking man than a feeling man, but I understand that everyone is unique. But professionally I do what I must to be a pro, but will admit that I much like AV have a low threshold of for emotional coworkers that make the same mistakes and argue. It's very hard for me to tolerate, but others are definitely more supportive in such circumstances.

Miller just has to go about his business like a pro. He's hurting his paycheck by not doing so, and will hurt his chances next year. I think AVs been around the block where he can help Miller turn it around, but the onus is going to be on Miller to step up and be a pro.

 

[Mikos87]

Also, while the comments may be harsh to your average millenial (Kreider took Torts comments harshly and played to his full potential against him earlier this season), Miller is mentally tough. He's a throwback to a bygone era.. Maybe not as well behaved or cultured as a seasoned pro, but that tenacity is there.

Would be beyond stupid to give up on him now given his upside. Ultimately it's on Miller to step up.

 

[SupersonicMonkey*]

Other than Miller having a lot of potential, the other issue with this is, why the hell is Vignault calling out this kid's "off ice" issues to the media, effectively deminishing trade value.

The summer is right around the corner. There are major holes the fill. Miller would fill a need: 3rd line center. But if he is deemed not a future piece, then he could be moved in a package for a position of need, such as offensive defenseman or winger with size or #1 center. Why is management allowing his trade value be deminished via public slander.

Its stupid. All around.

 

[slipknottin]

Other than Miller having a lot of potential, the other issue with this is, why the hell is Vignault calling out this kid's "off ice" issues to the media, effectively deminishing trade value.

The summer is right around the corner. There are major holes the fill. Miller would fill a need: 3rd line center. But if he is deemed not a future piece, then he could be moved in a package for a position of need, such as offensive defenseman or winger with size or #1 center. Why is management allowing his trade value be deminished via public slander.

Its stupid. All around.

If Miller doesn't become an nhl player he has crap trade value anyway.

 

[SupersonicMonkey*]

If Miller doesn't become an nhl player he has crap trade value anyway.

No. He would be traded this summer. If he didn't become an NHL player in the future that would have nothing to do with the Rangers.

He has value now. Deminishing it by slander in the press is stupid.

 

[NYR Viper]

No. He would be traded this summer. If he didn't become an NHL player in the future that would have nothing to do with the Rangers.

He has value now. Deminishing it by slander in the press is stupid.

Or maybe they don't want to move him but instead send a wake-up call to a player they deem to have very high potential?

 

[slipknottin]

No. He would be traded this summer. If he didn't become an NHL player in the future that would have nothing to do with the Rangers.

He has value now. Deminishing it by slander in the press is stupid.

He has a hell of a lot more value to the rangers org by becoming a good nhl player than he has in a trade

 

[offdacrossbar]

If he thinks he has the world by the balls then that's a bigger worry than what some words might do to his psyche. If he thinks he has the world by the balls, then he's got awfully low standards.

hello reality ?? low standards ?

handsome fit 20 yr old guy. pro hockey player. ny rangers player even.... making large bank. already a confident some say cocky kid. usndp pedegree. gold medal winner.

pretty good accomplishment before your 21st birthday.

if he were i, i would think i had a pretty sweet gig.

 

[Gardner McKay]

Other than Miller having a lot of potential, the other issue with this is, why the hell is Vignault calling out this kid's "off ice" issues to the media, effectively deminishing trade value.

The summer is right around the corner. There are major holes the fill. Miller would fill a need: 3rd line center. But if he is deemed not a future piece, then he could be moved in a package for a position of need, such as offensive defenseman or winger with size or #1 center. Why is management allowing his trade value be deminished via public slander.

Its stupid. All around.

Maybe because the Rangers have no plans of trading him and are going to see his development through until he he makes it or fizzles out? I think the last thing they are concerned about is how other GM's perceive Miller's value as they will not be trading one of their best prospects (because this organization has an extremely bare prospect pool).

 

[Gardner McKay]

hello reality ?? low standards ?

handsome fit 20 yr old guy. pro hockey player. ny rangers player even.... making large bank. already a confident some say cocky kid. usndp pedegree. gold medal winner.

pretty good accomplishment before your 21st birthday.

if he were i, i would think i had a pretty sweet gig.

$4,000 - $5,000 a month in the AHL before taxes is hardly large bank anywhere in the country, let alone NYC.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

hello reality ?? low standards ?

handsome fit 20 yr old guy. pro hockey player. ny rangers player even.... making large bank. already a confident some say cocky kid. usndp pedegree. gold medal winner.

pretty good accomplishment before your 21st birthday.

if he were i, i would think i had a pretty sweet gig.

Yes. Being comfortable with being a minor league hockey player is certainly lowering your standards.

 

[SupersonicMonkey*]

Or maybe they don't want to move him but instead send a wake-up call to a player they deem to have very high potential?

You don't send wake up calls by running your mouth to the media. John Tortorella did that, and was fired as soon as the playoffs ended. It's stupid.

I'm not sure why it needs to be explained. There are some things you keep private within the organization. Plain and simple.

Slipknot:

I won't argue that. BUT the point is, don't diminish his trade value by being stupid. Its common sense. And besides anything else, you don't know what they plan on doing. Sather already confirmed he isn't retiring. He has St. Louis for another season. We aren't punting the 14-15 season. There are holes that need to be filled. Someone has to be traded to fill these holes. Can't fill them all via free agency. You simply do not diminish your assets' trade value by slandering their off ice maturity to the media.

The Rangers actively destroyed Del Zotto's trade value. Remember when Tyson Barrie was a rumored option? I bet we wish we took that deal, no? Klein is OK, but had Vigneault and Sather not sought out to completely diminish his trade value, we could have gotten something more than Klein.

I would rather keep Miller. I'd also prefer it if our coach wasn't insulting his players to the media. Give the kid stern warnings behind closed doors. Tell him he will never play for this team if he doesn't figure out a way to grow up fast. Don't go to a media scrum and tell them Miller is basically an immature hot-head that will probably be a career AHLer. Come on now. Use our heads here.

Im not concerned about Miller's mentality or ability to brush it off and improve. From the time following his career since he was in USNTDP along with other players in his age group, what i've learned is that he is a smart kid and works hard. He can overcome.

But Vignault was stupid for what he did. He should focus on himself and his passive approach to the game and stop instilling a passive mentality to his players so they stop getting bullied by heavier teams.

 

[SupersonicMonkey*]

OR. If that is how they are going to conduct themselves, by calling out players and throwing them under the bus for all to hear and read...then do it equally. How about Rick --7 million per year plus a handful of assets-- Nash show up on a consistent basis, once every 10 games won't cut it.

See if that will motivate him.

 

[nyr2k2]

I'm not typically a fan of a coach calling out a player in the media. To me, it seems like that just precipitates further drama, and the situation rarely ends well. It might be one of those things, though, where I remember the bad instances more than the good.

It's a calculated risk on Vigneault's part. Hopefully Miller responds, gets serious, and really breaks out next year. If not, he may be done in our organization. Regardless, I don't believe that these comments will negatively affect his potential trade value in any substantial way.

 

[Vinny DeAngelo]

Micheal del zotto killed his own trade value by being awful in his own zone and not scoring... Once he got to Nashville he been doin the same things. U can't blame his failures on slats or torts or AV

 

[SupersonicMonkey*]

I'm not typically a fan of a coach calling out a player in the media. To me, it seems like that just precipitates further drama, and the situation rarely ends well. It might be one of those things, though, where I remember the bad instances more than the good.

It's a calculated risk on Vigneault's part. Hopefully Miller responds, gets serious, and really breaks out next year. If not, he may be done in our organization. Regardless, I don't believe that these comments will negatively affect his potential trade value in any substantial way.

It certainly doesn't help his value. Remember what happened to Werek? Werek was a 2nd rounder. Miller is a 1st rounder. If the most we can get is a project player in return, instead of an impact player for a package including Miller, then i'd say his value was diminished. Can't say one way or another as that situation hasn't happened yet. Still, its just something you don't do.

 

[nyr2k2]

It certainly doesn't help his value. Remember what happened to Werek? Werek was a 2nd rounder. Miller is a 1st rounder. If the most we can get is a project player in return, instead of an impact player for a package including Miller, then i'd say his value was diminished. Can't say one way or another as that situation hasn't happened yet. Still, its just something you don't do.

What happened with Werek? He was a second round pick, and we traded him for another guy that was a second round pick (and evidently, a better player). That's a trade that looks like it will work out strongly in our favor. I understand your point, but that's not the best example.