Proposal: JT Miller to Carolina

[Crazy Cizikas]

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No it doesn't, but your comments, with Miller, does imply that you do not have any above average hockey players on it, which I refuse to believe.

Your words, not ours!

This leads us to believe, you are not in anyway, using logic, and only Trolling.

I find it really hard to believe, you or anyone else would call Zibanejad an "average" player...............(If you can't rap your head around why I mention Zibanejad, then, maybe you are not the expert we should be listening to)

"IF" Miller can be signed to a 6 or 7 year contract for $8.5 million per or less, that is a much better contract than Zibanejad's..............

So, why don't you tell the Ranger Fans on here, what you think of him...........................

Is this too deep for you?

I never mentioned zibajad. But would you like me to fix your grammar?

 

[Crazy Cizikas]

friend, you need some game. go hit the gym and ask out girls you think are way out of your league for practice. don't worry about what they say or think.

good luck. i wish i was in high school again. the things i would do with my time instead of posting utter nonsense on message boards to get a rise out of guys twice my age.

I’m way beyond your pathetic game of picking up chicks to get laid. But keep at it bruh.

 

[KaosKommando]

If it would only cost Necas, 1st and what's his name from Carolina to get Miller. I would take that deal. That's why I'm just an HFboarder.

 

[zcaptain]

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I never mentioned zibajad. But would you like me to fix your grammar?

You can fix anything you want. I never said you mentioned Zibanejad, I did.

You do not understand the Zibanejad vs Miller comparisons?

I just want you to say the exact same things about him too. Or not!.......

But please go ahead.

(PS...........I am more about talking hockey, then grammar, but maybe that is your area of expertise? )

 

[CarolinaBlueJacket]

You can fix anything you want. I never said you mentioned Zibanejad, I did.

You do not understand the Zibanejad vs Miller comparisons?

I just want you to say the exact same things about him too. Or not!.......

But please go ahead.

(PS...........I am more about talking hockey, then grammar, but maybe that is your area of expertise? )

Shouldn't it be "than grammar"?

 

[Crazy Cizikas]

You can fix anything you want. I never said you mentioned Zibanejad, I did.

You do not understand the Zibanejad vs Miller comparisons?

I just want you to say the exact same things about him too. Or not!.......

But please go ahead.

(PS...........I am more about talking hockey, then grammar, but maybe that is your area of expertise? )

Do you have anything meaningful to say?

 

[zcaptain]

Shouldn't it be "than grammar"?

Now you see, that is funny! Well done!

 

[Cornwallace]

I don’t know man. Van fans seem to think that he’s a reincarnation of Gretzky. In reality, he’s just some offensive threat who could pot a few goals

If your team wasn't in a position to compete and also had one of the worst prospect pools in the NHL then you'd probably be excited about moving a player of Millers quality too.

The more you speak of Miller the less it appears you actually know about the player and are likely basing your opinion off his time in NY.

You're just downplaying how good he's been the past 3 seasons. While also slowly moving the goalposts as your previous positions get called out for being hilariously asinine.

 

[Crazy Cizikas]

Hey you got me. You are correct.

 

[zcaptain]

Do you have anything meaningful to say?

Sorry buddy! You are a troll. People that only want to make stupid comments, but can't or won't use logic in a conversation, are just that ........."Trolls"

Answer the question....................Miller vs Zibanejad, and let's see if your earlier comments hold water..........

I would imagine, you will not answer the question...................

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Canes saying no has a lot more to do with trading away 3 good pieces for 1 year rental. 2 teams can value players differently. The Canes will value Miller lower than Vancouver because Carolina wont pay to extend a 30 year old for 7+ years. Its okay that players can have different values because of the way a team operates.

Lets lock this up and move on.

 

[Crazy Cizikas]

Sorry buddy! You are a troll. People that only want to make stupid comments, but can't or won't use logic in a conversation, are just that ........."Trolls"

Answer the question....................Miller vs Zibanejad, and let's see if your earlier comments hold water..........

I would imagine, you will not answer the question...................

I’ll answer the question. Miller is not as valuable as you think he is. Ta da- question answered, smartass.

 

[Cianide]

Miller isn't that good. Especially to return that kind of package. I would pass if I was CAR.

 

[zcaptain]

As a Canuck fan, I obviously like Miller, but I do recognize the problems trading for him cause........

The Problems:

1. Age
2. Next contract cap hit and term

The discussion should never be about production or play.

I use Zibanejad as an absolute comparison, because of their stats, the last 3 years are almost exactly the same, as well as their age, size, weight, and contribution. In fact Miller's point totals over the last 3 years are slightly better.
I am not saying Miller is better, as their contributions are slightly different......

The only measurable difference is that Zibanejad is signed to a new 8 year X $8,500,000 contract and Miller is on the end of a 1 year X $5,250,000 contract.

"IF" and that is a big "IF", Miller can be signed to a 6 or 7 year deal, at $8,500,000 deal, Millers average cost,
(not cap hit) would be slight less, because he is on the last year of his $5,250,000 contract.

The question is, what is Miller asking for, and what will he sign for? To me, that is the question. Yes, the last years of his contract are questionable, as are Zibanejad's, but IMO, Zibanejad is giving good value, and therefore by extension, so would Miller's, "IF" signed for $8,500,000 or less.

It is why I use Zibanejad in my argument and why IMO, Crazy Cizikas won't answer it.

I’ll answer the question. Miller is not as valuable as you think he is. Ta da- question answered, smartass.

No, you are not answering the question

Do you think Zibanejad's contract is fair for what he brings? That is the question.

 

[zcaptain]

Miller isn't that good. Especially to return that kind of package. I would pass if I was CAR.

It is fine to have that opinion, but could you back it up for me............

 

[Canuck86]

I get it. You wanna pump him up to sell high. Why are you trying to get rid of him? You’re not in a rebuild.

Team management has a price set for what they want to pay JT, its obviously less than what he wants...will they find common ground, I do NOT think they will. Especially if JT has another great start to his season he and his agent are going to want to go the UFA and see the offers come in.

I don't think its a bad thing for team management too trade an asset like JT if they can't re sign him...Canucks are not a perennial playoff team, they are trying to make the playoffs next year. That alone isn't worth keeping JT and seeing him WALK as a FA in July for nothing.

Its pretty simple, we shall see what shakes down between now and the 2023 TDL

 

[Canuck86]

As a Canucks fan...so over this. I just want him re-signed, obviously the trade route doesn't give us the value we need. If he can come down to something like 7 mil over 7 years sign me up.

I wish there was a resolution also, but not a chance JT signs for 7m x7yrs. I am betting him and his agent probably wants 9m or more to stay in Vancouver. Its a sad part of sports seeing Canadian teams having to overpay players to keep them when they can sign in certain US states and pay no taxes...that makes a difference when it comes to signing a player.

I mean it really shouldn't matter when your making millions but the player has the right to make as much $ as possible during their career and can choose where to sign

Yawn. At you and Miller. There’s nothing interesting here. Miller doesn’t excite me. Sorry.

then leave the thread...simple resolution man/woman

 

[Canuck86]

Canes saying no has a lot more to do with trading away 3 good pieces for 1 year rental. 2 teams can value players differently. The Canes will value Miller lower than Vancouver because Carolina wont pay to extend a 30 year old for 7+ years. Its okay that players can have different values because of the way a team operates.

Lets lock this up and move on.

What would Carolina offer for JT Miller, if your deeming him a rental only I am curious what a Carolina fan would be willing to trade for him?

 

[Canuck86]

Miller isn't that good. Especially to return that kind of package. I would pass if I was CAR.

What does a player need to do to be considered good then...NOT an all position playing forward with above average FO%, plays PK and PP, scores over a PPG who is on a nice contract just over 5m for the upcoming season?

JT since becoming a Canuck has been OVER achieved in every way possible since the trade, unfortunately new Canucks management seems to not want to pay him what JT or his agent think he is worth. Rolling the dice having him on the team and him not get injured.

It sure makes Vancouver medias job easy, all they have to do is talk non stop about JT and act like they know how much he wants or where he is going...

 

[PenguinSuitedUp]

Who said anything about them falling out of the playoff race? And Pacioretty might return in January, or he might not. A torn achilles tendon is not a minor injury.


Why? It’s not like any of use are making decisions here.

I’m speaking to the news the Canes have for making a deal like this right now, which is none. And the expectation has already been made that Pacioretty will be back and playing January. This would be a huge reactionary move on their part for a need they don’t have, especially for the price mentioned by the OP.

 

[Crazy Cizikas]

As a Canuck fan, I obviously like Miller, but I do recognize the problems trading for him cause........

The Problems:

1. Age
2. Next contract cap hit and term

The discussion should never be about production or play.

I use Zibanejad as an absolute comparison, because of their stats, the last 3 years are almost exactly the same, as well as their age, size, weight, and contribution. In fact Miller's point totals over the last 3 years are slightly better.
I am not saying Miller is better, as their contributions are slightly different......

The only measurable difference is that Zibanejad is signed to a new 8 year X $8,500,000 contract and Miller is on the end of a 1 year X $5,250,000 contract.

"IF" and that is a big "IF", Miller can be signed to a 6 or 7 year deal, at $8,500,000 deal, Millers average cost,
(not cap hit) would be slight less, because he is on the last year of his $5,250,000 contract.

The question is, what is Miller asking for, and what will he sign for? To me, that is the question. Yes, the last years of his contract are questionable, as are Zibanejad's, but IMO, Zibanejad is giving good value, and therefore by extension, so would Miller's, "IF" signed for $8,500,000 or less.

It is why I use Zibanejad in my argument and why IMO, Crazy Cizikas won't answer it.


No, you are not answering the question

Do you think Zibanejad's contract is fair for what he brings? That is the question.

This thread is not about Zibinajad. Take your insecurities elsewhere.

 

[Canuck86]

As a Canuck fan, I obviously like Miller, but I do recognize the problems trading for him cause........

The Problems:

1. Age
2. Next contract cap hit and term

The discussion should never be about production or play.

I use Zibanejad as an absolute comparison, because of their stats, the last 3 years are almost exactly the same, as well as their age, size, weight, and contribution. In fact Miller's point totals over the last 3 years are slightly better.
I am not saying Miller is better, as their contributions are slightly different......

The only measurable difference is that Zibanejad is signed to a new 8 year X $8,500,000 contract and Miller is on the end of a 1 year X $5,250,000 contract.

"IF" and that is a big "IF", Miller can be signed to a 6 or 7 year deal, at $8,500,000 deal, Millers average cost,
(not cap hit) would be slight less, because he is on the last year of his $5,250,000 contract.

The question is, what is Miller asking for, and what will he sign for? To me, that is the question. Yes, the last years of his contract are questionable, as are Zibanejad's, but IMO, Zibanejad is giving good value, and therefore by extension, so would Miller's, "IF" signed for $8,500,000 or less.

It is why I use Zibanejad in my argument and why IMO, Crazy Cizikas won't answer it.


No, you are not answering the question

Do you think Zibanejad's contract is fair for what he brings? That is the question.

Bang on, unfortunately other fan bases will disagree and hone in on something and run with it...sure so Canuck fans would feel the same way if the shoe was on the other foot as the saying goes

 

[Canes]

What would Carolina offer for JT Miller, if your deeming him a rental only I am curious what a Carolina fan would be willing to trade for him?

Probably nothing that would excite Canucks fans. Even Necas straight up is a daydream at best given salary differences, RFA vs UFA, age, etc. It just makes no sense for the Canes long term and only tangentially makes sense short term. Basically if our front office wanted Miller I am sure they would have traded for him by now.

 

[Phrasing]

This thread is not about Zibinajad. Take your insecurities elsewhere.

It’s also not really open to trolling and you can take that elsewhere. Try not spout verifiably inaccurate things like fans thinking he’s Gretzky or that he’s average, of which neither is the case.

Also seems bizarre you stated there’s nothing interesting here and Miller doesn’t excite you yet strangely you have a lot of posts in this thread.

 

[zcaptain]

This thread is not about Zibinajad. Take your insecurities elsewhere.

You see, you can't answer the question......lol

and , yes, Zibanejad has a lot to do with the value of Miller

In every way actually.................

Not answering the question, and avoiding answering it, only proves you are a Troll or have no actual hockey knowledge................

Zibanejad is a great 1st line player, who has a huge roll in New York. He is a top 10/20 scorer in the NHL, and the Rangers would really miss his play on a regular basis.

His value is a Roster player, a 1st not in the top 10, and a very good prospect

That is what Ranger fans would expect. Not that they would ever want to trade him............get the drift!