PuckMunchkin
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Just ~12 months ago NOBODY would have thought anyone would say that about him.
Player Discussion JT Miller Thread
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I was wrong about this guy. Hilariously wrong. Wrong about the trade, wrong about him as a player, and wrong about extending him.
Dude is the real deal and we're lucky to have him.
Dude is the real deal and we're lucky to have him.
PuckMunchkin
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I too was wrong about him and he is proving it every game this year.
Coffee
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Okay fine, I was wrong too.
I love JT Miller and he’s absolutely Mr Showtime no doubt about it
I love JT Miller and he’s absolutely Mr Showtime no doubt about it
BenningHurtsMySoul
Unfair Huggy Bear
Count me in the "eating crow" pile.
I wanted this guy gone like few else early last season.
Couldn't be happier now that he's here. He is the engine that drives the forward group.
I wanted this guy gone like few else early last season.
Couldn't be happier now that he's here. He is the engine that drives the forward group.
Just took a peak at Canucks all time leading scorers. While JT is "only" 17th, he trails only one player in point per game; Pavel Bure. Of course, this isn't really a fair comparison since his developing years he spent out east, but its still an interesting fact. It appears he will pass Burrows, Boudrias, Kesler and Morrison this year with a shot at Lever as well.
He would pass a bunch next year, including likely his best comparable, Big Bert. Bure is 100 points ahead of him so if he maintains a remotely similar pace he'll get there too. Cracking the top 5 and passing Smyl would be a couple seasons away but damn...that'll be something if/when it happens.
The best comparables in all time Canucks would be guys we acquired in their mid 20's like Nazzy and Bert. For me, he's likely surpassing Bertuzzi as an all time Canuck this year, given that he's leading the charge to a top 3 Canucks season ever. And his playoff PPG is far ahead of Bert albeit with less games played and the asterisk of a bubble year.
Definitely stoked to see this guy play in the post season where he really belongs as a player. And I'm just going to throw in there, I love his interviews. He is an intelligent, well spoken individual.
He would pass a bunch next year, including likely his best comparable, Big Bert. Bure is 100 points ahead of him so if he maintains a remotely similar pace he'll get there too. Cracking the top 5 and passing Smyl would be a couple seasons away but damn...that'll be something if/when it happens.
The best comparables in all time Canucks would be guys we acquired in their mid 20's like Nazzy and Bert. For me, he's likely surpassing Bertuzzi as an all time Canuck this year, given that he's leading the charge to a top 3 Canucks season ever. And his playoff PPG is far ahead of Bert albeit with less games played and the asterisk of a bubble year.
Definitely stoked to see this guy play in the post season where he really belongs as a player. And I'm just going to throw in there, I love his interviews. He is an intelligent, well spoken individual.
Nucker101
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What a game last night, dude was a beast. Haven't had a powerforward like him since Kesler.
Glad some are eating crow re: Miller. The overreaction to his frustration last season was so silly.
bandwagonesque
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Hmm, I guess it's possible to revise your earlier opinions about JT Miller. That's really, really interesting.
Thats what I love about our forum here, people are big enough to admit when they are wrong and own it. Good on you all for your humility!
JT has been my favourite Canuck since the first season he played for us. And now he has leveled up!!!
JT has been my favourite Canuck since the first season he played for us. And now he has leveled up!!!
I think he wins the Selke this year. But my goodness, he’s an absolute beast. Shot, speed, skill, power, physicality, faceoffs, defense, toughness, pest, play driving, etc
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Props to those posters.
The Miller trade will go down as one of the best trades in team history yet there are still some remaining posters who refuse to acknowledge that it is even a good trade because of “timing.”
Props to those posters.
The Miller trade will go down as one of the best trades in team history yet there are still some remaining posters who refuse to acknowledge that it is even a good trade because of “timing.”
In retrospect, the Miller trade is right up there with the swap of Alex Stojanov for Marcus Naslund.
The Canucks traded a first round pick (20th overall in 2020) to the Lightning for Miller. Tampa immediately flipped that pick to New Jersey, when they were stocking up for another playoff run. The Devils picked Shakir Mukhamadulin. And he was eventually included in package of picks and prospects traded to the Sharks for Timo Meier.
Currently he's bouncing back and forth between the Sharks and the AHL affiliate, the Barracuda. Still a prospect I guess. But more than once both the Rangers and the Bolts have publicly expressed their regrets at trading Miller.
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People like to look at results. Like the Neely trade was worsened by the fact that the pick became the #3 overall which was used to draft Wesley who was later traded for three first round picks (Jim Rutherford special) and those assets kept churning out assets. Crazy to think that the Wesley trade could have resulted in Boston having both Iginla and Lucic in 2010-2011.
But when it comes to the Miller trade there are those who deny the results and want to look at the slight possibility that that pick could have been a top 3 pick. But those same people don’t consider the possibility that at the time of the Hronek trade the Islander 1st round pick could have been a top 3 pick as well (very slim chance). The reality is that in 2021 we ended up with the 9th overall pick and would likely have picked Sillinger had we kept the pick.
I’m the end the trade was Miller for 2019 3rd round pick and 2020 20th overall pick. That is a great trade.
BenningHurtsMySoul
Unfair Huggy Bear
That is easily a top 3 trade in franchise history. Miller went for a 2C package and became a franchise 1C with a late prime
PuckMunchkin
Very Nice, Very Evil!
Oh you wonderful little you.
Who knows what kind of team we have right now if we dont try to force playoffs with moves like the Miller trade while failing miserably.
Yes. We got good value for what we gave. In a vacuum.
No. Making that trade when it was made still does not make ANY LOGICAL SENSE AT ALL.
Why is this so difficult for 99,9% of posters here to comprehend?
StickShift
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I saw a thread on the main board today talking about Martin Necas (CAR) being available, and the other week I read that Braden Schneider (NYR) could be traded too.
Two years ago when we all thought Miller might be traded at the deadline, those were the two players most often coveted by us Vancouver fans as the primary returns. I know we are seeing everything through rose-colored glasses this season—but it seems pretty clear now that either trade would've been a massive mistake.
Two years ago when we all thought Miller might be traded at the deadline, those were the two players most often coveted by us Vancouver fans as the primary returns. I know we are seeing everything through rose-colored glasses this season—but it seems pretty clear now that either trade would've been a massive mistake.
When a trade provides that much value it far exceeds the logic of intentionally tanking with 2 elite players on ELC. Hes a franchise player, not some middle 6 piece.
PuckMunchkin
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The year we got him he scored 17 points in the playoffs? Or this year which hasn’t concluded yet?
But also the other moves that made us suck should be blamed for that rather than the elite player with the second highest ppg in Canucks history.
Yeah, I don't really think dunking on people for not liking this trade at the time is wise. It completely misses the context of the trade at the time:
- The Canucks finished in the bottom 10 of the league four years in a row, with only marginal improvement in 18-19 that still didn't get them outside of the bottom 10.
- Even though they protected the 1st rounder for 2020 and let it slide to 2021, they were facing the impending loss of Tanev and Markstrom for the 20-21 that would've made the team worse even if the trade did pan out since they had no money to replace both of them after the Hughes/Petey contracts.
Even looking at how good Miller was, that team got lucky with Markstrom playing out of his mind and the COVID outbreak guaranteeing their playoff appearance. If someone determined risk assessments for the trade at the time, I'm pretty sure we hit a 90th percentile result.
And I'm one of Miller's biggest backers, and I never minded targeting him. But that trade had a high chance of ending up like the Kessel or Duchene trade. Just because it ended up in our favour doesn't mean the criticisms weren't correct.
BenningHurtsMySoul
Unfair Huggy Bear
That trade was f***ing dumb for a middling team to make. Nothing against Miller at the time of the trade, but it was rightfully blasted.
Just so happens that we traded for a 2C and got a near franchise player.
Just so happens that we traded for a 2C and got a near franchise player.
PuckMunchkin
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