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You can honestly say that about any player, Millers biggest issue is he hates losing, if I was stuck on a team so adept at losing, I'd be pissed too. For the most part he has been one of the best players on this team since we traded for him, the half of this year that this wasn't the case, doesn't change that.
Not really... Not any great player honestly.

What about the season before his 99 point campaign?

Or his self admitted NYR problems?

Or the fact that Tampa deemed him expendable?

He is a volatile player. If there are problems he makes them worse, if your team is doing good he is probably doing good as well. We all know people who are completely unable to control their emotions.

I had no idea this was still up for debate...
 
Have you watched him play since Tochett took over? I get it's during garbage time, and the games don't matter but still, also watched him play last year? The year before? 99 points last year, this feels like more of a coaching issue than a Miller issue.

Players yell at goalies to get off the ice all the time, players also smash their sticks all the time, Miller just gets shit on more because of it, because people love to shit on the guy. I know, I was one of the people shitting on him.
I haven't watched every game since Tochett took over, so admittedly I might have missed the "new" JTM. It isn't like we are claiming that he acts out every game, especially when the team is winning. Although leaving the bench before the game is over isn't a good look on him, so it's not like he has been perfectly well behaved since Tochett was hired.

Even during the 99 points season, he still has his controller-disconnected moments. Like I said previously, his impressive point total since coming to Vancouver might've led people to think he has always been good during his time here and he always try hard, but he has his fair share of "off" games as well.

I don't really know if players yell at his teammates all the time, and usually when they smash their sticks is out of self-frustration. People don't "shit on" their leading scorer from the past 4 seasons for no reason. I hope JTM has become more mature and accountable on the ice because he is a very good player and an important piece to this team.

You can honestly say that about any player, Millers biggest issue is he hates losing, if I was stuck on a team so adept at losing, I'd be pissed too. For the most part he has been one of the best players on this team since we traded for him, the half of this year that this wasn't the case, doesn't change that.
If he hates losing that much, then he really shouldn't have extended here for another 7 seasons. He knew exactly where this team is at. He made that commitment knowingly, he could've left and goto a contender (or any team of his own choosing), he can't blame anybody but himself. As one of the highest paid player, its time to grow up and be a leader.
 
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Not really... Not any great player honestly.

What about the season before his 99 point campaign?

Or his self admitted NYR problems?

Or the fact that Tampa deemed him expendable?

He is a volatile player. If there are problems he makes them worse, if your team is doing good he is probably doing good as well. We all know people who are completely unable to control their emotions.

I had no idea this was still up for debate...
Yes, pretty much every player.

The one where he was our best player?

Maturity issues for sure, Ranger fans are still pissed they got ripped off.

The fans and team didn't like that he got traded, he was liked in the locker room, they were deep enough and needed to clear cap space, everyone knows that except you I guess.

This has really only been an issue this year, I didn't like him arguing with Schenn and the other antics either, that doesn't just erase all the good he has done here before and after that.

What's the debate exactly? He is an emotional player, he doesn't like losing. For the most part he's been one of the best players on this team since we traded for him. He has had incidents that haven't made him look good, he has had far more that have made him look like a top 15 player in the league. People in this fanbase absolutely love to shit on him.
 
I haven't watched every game since Tochett took over, so admittedly I might have missed the "new" JTM. It isn't like we are claiming that he acts out every game, especially when the team is winning. Although leaving the bench before the game is over isn't a good look on him, so it's not like he has been perfectly well behaved since Tochett was hired.

Even during the 99 points season, he still has his controller-disconnected moments. Like I said previously, his impressive point total since coming to Vancouver might've led people to think he has always been good during his time here and he always try hard, but he has his fair share of "off" games as well.

I don't really know if players yell at his teammates all the time, and usually when they smash their sticks is out of self-frustration. People don't "shit on" their leading scorer from the past 4 seasons for no reason. I hope JTM has become more mature and accountable on the ice because he is a very good player and an important piece to this team.


If he hates losing that much, then he really shouldn't have extended here for another 7 seasons. He knew exactly where this team is at. He made that commitment knowingly, he could've left and goto a contender (or any team of his own choosing), he can't blame anybody but himself. As one of the highest paid player, its time to grow up and be a leader.
New? Like you said there were incidents before but they were isolated, this isn't some new player, we saw it last year and the year before. Not new at all.

Fair share is a bit much, more isolated than anything else. This year was a different story for sure.

It happens all the time even in beer league hockey, yelling and breaking sticks.

People shit on Miller because he's public enemy number one here, so many wanted him traded and are still pissed we kept Miller (the far better player) over Horvat. I hope he becomes more mature and accountable too, but the people shitting on him constantly don't seem too. FFS we had some boob tweeting that Miller was a racist homophobe because he wore a blue lives matter hat. That's the level of petty stupidity this fanbase base has.

Maybe he was convinced the same way our management was of how good this team was supposed to be....
 
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Yes, pretty much every player.

The one where he was our best player?

Maturity issues for sure, Ranger fans are still pissed they got ripped off.

The fans and team didn't like that he got traded, he was liked in the locker room, they were deep enough and needed to clear cap space, everyone knows that except you I guess.

This has really only been an issue this year, I didn't like him arguing with Schenn and the other antics either, that doesn't just erase all the good he has done here before and after that.

What's the debate exactly? He is an emotional player, he doesn't like losing. For the most part he's been one of the best players on this team since we traded for him. He has had incidents that haven't made him look good, he has had far more that have made him look like a top 15 player in the league. People in this fanbase absolutely love to shit on him.
What a weird post.

"What's the debate exactly?"

That Miller is emotional to the point he is detrimental to the teams he plays on.
 
What a weird post.

"What's the debate exactly?"

That Miller is emotional to the point he is detrimental to the teams he plays on.
He is an emotional player and has (this year) been a detriment because of it at times for sure. his overall performance here since he was traded has been that of a superstar 1st line player for the most part as well.

There, that better?
 
He is an emotional player and has (this year) been a detriment because of it at times for sure. his overall performance here since he was traded has been that of a superstar 1st line player for the most part as well.

There, that better?
Better.

I would add that he had similar emotional issues the season before his 99p campaign, that is when the moping, the big turnovers (they are mostly fine IMO, his style of playmaking invites them) and slow changes and lack of effort back checking really came out from him (in Canucks uniform that is)

So he has been very up and down with us. And it all comes down to how he is feeling.
 
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Better.

I would add that he had similar emotional issues the season before his 99p campaign, that is when the moping, the big turnovers (they are mostly fine IMO, his style of playmaking invites them) and slow changes and lack of effort back checking really came out from him (in Canucks uniform that is)

So he has been very up and down with us. And it all comes down to how he is feeling.
And this is why I hope Tochett helps him, the same way Trotz helped Ovi. The attitude stuff bothers me as well, I just think people make too big of a deal of it, because they don't like JT as a person.
 
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And this is why I hope Tochett helps him, the same way Trotz helped Ovi. The attitude stuff bothers me as well, I just think people make too big of a deal of it, because they don't like JT as a person.
If I thought JT was someone who can help us win a cup I would not mind that I dont like him as a person.

I never liked Kesler but he was a ass hat I loved to have on our side.

You could be right still... I have a hard time stomaching players who call out others effort when they are the worst offenders at not putting the work in.

Like if Boeser was playing the way he played for the first half of the year and was calling out team mates and embarasing our AHL goalies while doing it, I would not be able to be on his side.
 
I don’t see Miller in a Canuck uniform next season. I believe Allvin really wanted to move Miller at the deadline but probably wants to wait until the off season to pull the trigger due to obvious reasons.

Teams like Pittsburgh, Washington, and perhaps Carolina would definitely be a good fit for Miller. As long as Pens and Caps have Crosby and Ovechkin still playing, they’re going to try and remain competitive, we should look to take advantage of that.
They need him now.

Without him they have maybe the worst center depth in the league. Without him they go from having a decent second option and needing a third to having Petey and nothing.
 
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Not really... Not any great player honestly.

What about the season before his 99 point campaign?

Or his self admitted NYR problems?

Or the fact that Tampa deemed him expendable?

He is a volatile player. If there are problems he makes them worse, if your team is doing good he is probably doing good as well. We all know people who are completely unable to control their emotions.

I had no idea this was still up for debate...
82 points in 81 games in a “horrible year”. You lost our bet.
 

J.T. Miller reflects on season, optimistic about Canucks' future: 'This is the way'​


“I don't know if you've seen a sh-- show like (the Canucks’ first half),” Miller told Sportsnet as the Canucks embarked on their final three-game road trip. “I just got outside my lane, and then it distracted my work and created bad habits. It's very simple. I'm not proud of it, but I think that’s what happened. And since we've had the fresh start, I'm just playing hockey.

“If my character was ever questioned -- which I'm sure it was -- I think (the second half) says a lot. This was really hard for me, to be honest with you. But my character is to push through and bring my game a lot of nights, and I thought that after the. . . low point for me, I think the way I responded says enough about my character. There's going to be parts of next year that people don't like either, but I'm trying to make it as little as possible.”

J.T. Miller reflects on season, optimistic about Canucks' future: 'This is the way'
 
Needs a Samuelson, or even a MayRay. Cannot have a playmaker of his calibre setting up Digiorno anymore. Boeser has completely lost his shot.

I have faith in Hoglander, not so much in Podz. Needs to be someone fast, as none of EP, Kuz or JT are burners. Top 6 is lookin a bit slow.
 
28th in league scoring but people want to dump him just to dump him. A team is a puzzle, every team has the passionate guy to fire up the sleepy ones. I'm a fan of Miller and expect him and petey to be one of the best 1 2 combos in the league next year.
He is getting old.

We are not winning anything during his effective years. And he wont provide surplus value in year 1 of the extension and it will only get worse.

Timing. Horrific contract.

Yes he is a good, sometimes, when he feels like it, even a great player.

Does that help you understand it?
 
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Watching Miller being interviewed, I’m struck by how straightforward and honest he is with his answers. His personality as a person rather than just a hockey player really comes through. He’s a very thoughtful guy and has no problem discussing his own shortcomings as a player.
 
Watching Miller being interviewed, I’m struck by how straightforward and honest he is with his answers. His personality as a person rather than just a hockey player really comes through. He’s a very thoughtful guy and has no problem discussing his own shortcomings as a player.
 
Watching Miller being interviewed, I’m struck by how straightforward and honest he is with his answers. His personality as a person rather than just a hockey player really comes through. He’s a very thoughtful guy and has no problem discussing his own shortcomings as a player.
He’s very good at talking like an accountable guy.
 
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Here we are AGAIN, the Miller trade rumours are out there.

This is happening so often there must be a reason other than simply getting clicks.

I have some sympathy for Miller, a player at his peak just about to start the downside of his career stuck here on a 80 point team with no hope of getting much better through trades and getting older.

I have posted before that Miller is the type of player for a team winning now. It is sad that he may never see so few playoff games before his career is over.

I know there are fanatics that see this team is "right there" but there are some things ignored.

Horvat spent 9 years on the Canuck roster, Pettersson is over half way there next year. Drafted in 2017, 6 years ago and will be 26 yrs old so fast it will take your breath away. Horvat was traded at 27 yrs old.

The Miller rumours are out there because many teams know the Canuck's future is not now and he can be a valuable asset for Vancouver to improve quickly.

IMO failure to make a deal now is the team doubling down on keeping the status quo and using up Pettersson and Hughes careers to sell tickets.
Constantly the media whor3s are spouting about the "young Canuck core players". What young? 5 year vets? A 28 yr old Demko? Just as a side note the goalies playing now are 24 yrs old, 22 yrs old, 26 yrs old, 24 yrs old, 33 yrs old, 31 yrs old, 34 yrs old. The point is he is on the back side of the ages of goalies in the playoffs TODAY and Hellebucyk is only 18 months older. He ain't young anymore.
When selling futures it is always helpful to have good marketing and all that is being sold is futures.

Allvin said he thought this team could get a playoff spot, why is his opinion of more value? He is just more informed and trying to keep his job. It is his job to lie, uhmm, err sell to the fans.

That is what I liked about Rugherford, he shot from the hip and didn't treat the fans like rubes, suckers, idiots, he stated what the most thick headed could see.

The same about Miller, every pundit see's what they all see, Miller is a valuable asset on a bad team that needs help.

It will be coming down to trading Miller or Pettersson very soon but the clock is ticking for management's decision to go with the young star or the fading vet because once July 1 hits management loses the ability to make that decision and it could end up with the team paying another to take on Eriksson's contract again. So eerily similar is the team to day to that of 7 years ago..
 
i think vancouver should trade miller but if they do it reflects very badly on management that they didn't deal both horvat and miller either at the trade deadline in 2022 or in that offseason when their value was at it's highest (both had comparatively cheap contracts they could retain on). the team accomplished nothing in 2021-22 or 2022-23 and if the long term plan was always to move on from both of them they should have really committed
 
i think vancouver should trade miller but if they do it reflects very badly on management that they didn't deal both horvat and miller either at the trade deadline in 2022 or in that offseason when their value was at it's highest (both had comparatively cheap contracts they could retain on). the team accomplished nothing in 2021-22 or 2022-23 and if the long term plan was always to move on from both of them they should have really committed
This management does not care what fans think isn't that obvious yet?
 
Watching the playoffs, I think more than half the teams in the league would die to have a player like JT on their team, at his cap
I think that's the issue, that he's best on a team that is already doing well and that has a set leadership structure that he can't disturb. The question is, are we going to become one of those teams as his contract goes on?
 
I think that's the issue, that he's best on a team that is already doing well and that has a set leadership structure that he can't disturb. The question is, are we going to become one of those teams as his contract goes on?
He had that in two franchises before us and other than the quarter season when the Bolts acquired him he was just fine. All we can be for sure of is hes been best on our team
 
He had that in two franchises before us and other than the quarter season when the Bolts acquired him he was just fine. All we can be for sure of is hes been best on our team
He had character issues with the Rangers. On talent alone should have been a regular on the Rangers NHL roster but self admittedly was his own worst enemy there.


And he was seen as expendable by the Bolts.

And then had issues here again.
 
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