Value of: JT Miller for the 2nd OA pick- What additions would be needed

[RapidKnight]

I’m going to go out on a limb here & assume you’re a Devils fan?

No. Please explain.

 

[Kents polished head]

I'm usually the guy who says draft picks are overrated and I always tend to pick the proven commodity. But NJ should not do that. JT Miller coming off a career year isn't worth giving up the opportunity to draft one of Cooley/Slafkovski/Nemec/Jiricek/Wright.

 

[TBF1972]

I’m going to go out on a limb here & assume you’re a Devils fan?

he is a vegas fan and as a devil fan i don't want to do that.

the devils will get three rfa without a contract. the devils could use one top 6 wing. but they don't need two. the also don't need lhd. they already have a surplus. resigning both rfa wings would either lead to a cap crunch or we have to let bratt (who most devils fans absolutely love) go.

trading 2nd overall for immediate cap crunch - no thanks.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

i think the Devils will just keep their pick. These picks don't get traded.

 

[Luck 6]

I think the only way this makes sense is if NJD also get another one of our younger top 6 wingers. Something like this:

TO NJD:
Miller (extension in place)
Boeser or Garland
Poolman
15 OA

TO VAN:
Severson
2 OA

NJD don't fall too low in the 1st round, you could argue they have a reasonable shot at getting what may end up being a player in the same tier given the strength (or lack thereof) of this draft. They get an extended Miller, and a 25 year old 1RW to go along with it. This should give them a very dangerous top 6 going into next year, and should make them a playoff team. They take back Poolman as somewhat of a cap dump, but also a serviceable RHD who didn't work out in Vancouver.

Vancouver drafts either a top RHD or center with the 2OA considering that will be BPA at that draft selection, they as such fill an organizational need while acquiring a high end prospect. They also get Severson who is another RHD which further addresses an organizational need. They also get quite a bit more cap flexibility. Vancouver should be able to stomach the loss of Boeser / Miller assuming Pettersson plays like he did in the second half of the season, and assuming we either get Kuzmenko or Podkolzin takes the next step.

I haven't looked at cap implications, we could retain a bit on Miller here though if need be.

 

[Eggtimer]

I think the only way this makes sense is if NJD also get another one of our younger top 6 wingers. Something like this:

TO NJD:
Miller (extension in place)
Boeser or Garland
Poolman
15 OA

TO VAN:
Severson
2 OA

NJD don't fall too low in the 1st round, you could argue they have a reasonable shot at getting what may end up being a player in the same tier given the strength (or lack thereof) of this draft. They get an extended Miller, and a 25 year old 1RW to go along with it. This should give them a very dangerous top 6 going into next year, and should make them a playoff team. They take back Poolman as somewhat of a cap dump, but also a serviceable RHD who didn't work out in Vancouver.

Vancouver drafts either a top RHD or center with the 2OA considering that will be BPA at that draft selection, they as such fill an organizational need while acquiring a high end prospect. They also get Severson who is another RHD which further addresses an organizational need. They also get quite a bit more cap flexibility. Vancouver should be able to stomach the loss of Boeser / Miller assuming Pettersson plays like he did in the second half of the season, and assuming we either get Kuzmenko or Podkolzin takes the next step.

I haven't looked at cap implications, we could retain a bit on Miller here though if need be.

Devils cannot afford Miller plus Boeser plus add Poolman and downgrade our RHD (which we would then need to upgrade with limited cap room)
I can’t see a trade working.
Players I want off the Canucks are not available . Demko Quinn Pod . Probanly the same goes for Canucks fans. They will want Devils players that are not available Hughes brothers , Bratt , Mercer , Nico.

 

[John Johnson]

Rentals are overrated. When was the last time a rental returned a guaranteed top 10 pick let alone 2nd OA? Also if you think this draft is weak you are ignorant as hell

It is weak. Wright isn't even consensus #1 pick anymore.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

It is weak. Wright isn't even consensus #1 pick anymore.

Neither was Jack Hughes. Seth Jones was the concensus #1 pick in 2013 until the Gretzky Hlinka cup too. There was the Taylor vs Tyler battle in 2011 as well

 

[wintersej]

Devils cannot afford Miller plus Boeser plus add Poolman and downgrade our RHD (which we would then need to upgrade with limited cap room)
I can’t see a trade working.
Players I want off the Canucks are not available . Demko Quinn Pod . Probanly the same goes for Canucks fans. They will want Devils players that are not available Hughes brothers , Bratt , Mercer , Nico.

I could see the Devils adding some guys in their later 20s to try to open the window now. Can't speak to specific trades, but just from a business POV, playoff $$$ is a big deal. Also, getting their young core used to winning instead of used to losing is nice.

 

[MardyBum]

Fwiw, Marek mentioned on 32 thoughts talking with Slafkovsky some teams were asking him if he could see himself/play as a C at the NHL level, and two he remembered were NJ and Vancouver.

 

[jmelm]

Fwiw, Marek mentioned on 32 thoughts talking with Slafkovsky some teams were asking him if he could see himself/play as a C at the NHL level, and two he remembered were NJ and Vancouver.

And as I've been saying for a little while, if MTL is one of the teams who thinks Slaf could be a C, they should definitely take him 1st overall.

If Slaf went 1st, would that make NJD more likely to either trade the pick to a team looking for a C, or do they draft Nemec?

 

[Xirik]

I don't know how Vancouver would feel about it but

Sharangovich + Gritsyuk +2022 2nd or Kevin Bahl
Or
Holtz + 2022 2nd

FOR

Miller
------

First proposal I think could interest Vancouver if they aren't high on Holtz who is still quite a raw prospect. Sharangovich would easily slot into the 2nd line if Garland is getting traded and podkolzin moves up a line. Gritsyuk just won Rookie of the year in the KHL and while it might be hard to get Russian players to the NHL right now I believe the Canucks have a pretty good track history with dealing with such things. Perhaps they get Bure to help him along? Bahl is LD who might interest Canucks if they want a Meyers type replacement. He's still pretty new to the NHL but he is a big body D who in his brief stay on the Devils seems pretty good at clearing the net and knocking players off the puck along the boards.

The Holtz proposal doesn't need explaining.

I think either trade would only happen if the Devils spoke with Millter and knew he would be willing to resign.

This trade is probably not the best one that the Canucks will probably get for Miller. Vegas will probably do its usual thing and trade players they should keep for biggest available player during the off season.

Shea Theodore for Miller anyone?

 

[Forge]

If Slaf went 1st, would that make NJD more likely to either trade the pick to a team looking for a C, or do they draft Nemec?

I think that they just draft Wright. I do think that it may open the trade options up a little more, but it's still pretty restrictive because you can't drop down too low....the market is going to be pretty limited. You're really just hoping that you can threaten Arizona into giving up something to jump a spot imo.

 

[jmelm]

I think that they just draft Wright. I do think that it may open the trade options up a little more, but it's still pretty restrictive because you can't drop down too low....the market is going to be pretty limited. You're really just hoping that you can threaten Arizona into giving up something to jump a spot imo.

Well, I don’t think it’s clear cut they take Wright, especially if they see Slaf as a potential C.

But what do you mean “threaten Arizona”? I don’t see why they wouldn’t just be happy to draft whoever is still there at #3?

 

[Forge]

Well, I don’t think it’s clear cut they take Wright, especially if they see Slaf as a potential C.

I'm not sure what Slaf has to do with it...you were asking what the Devils would do if Slaf were gone? I was saying that they likely would just take Wright, imo.

But what do you mean “threaten Arizona”? I don’t see why they wouldn’t just be happy to draft whoever is still there at #3?

They probably would...but the devils trading #2 has a very limited pool of suitors in a trade down scenario. If Arizona wants Wright, the devils basically are telling them, "hey, give us this to flip picks and you can have him, otherwise we are taking him".

 

[Guttersniped]

I think the only way this makes sense is if NJD also get another one of our younger top 6 wingers. Something like this:

TO NJD:
Miller (extension in place)
Boeser or Garland
Poolman
15 OA

TO VAN:
Severson
2 OA

NJD don't fall too low in the 1st round, you could argue they have a reasonable shot at getting what may end up being a player in the same tier given the strength (or lack thereof) of this draft. They get an extended Miller, and a 25 year old 1RW to go along with it. This should give them a very dangerous top 6 going into next year, and should make them a playoff team. They take back Poolman as somewhat of a cap dump, but also a serviceable RHD who didn't work out in Vancouver.

Vancouver drafts either a top RHD or center with the 2OA considering that will be BPA at that draft selection, they as such fill an organizational need while acquiring a high end prospect. They also get Severson who is another RHD which further addresses an organizational need. They also get quite a bit more cap flexibility. Vancouver should be able to stomach the loss of Boeser / Miller assuming Pettersson plays like he did in the second half of the season, and assuming we either get Kuzmenko or Podkolzin takes the next step.

I haven't looked at cap implications, we could retain a bit on Miller here though if need be.

And that’s f’ing terrible for the Devils, just brutal.

People keep talking about an “extended Miller” bit there’s very little chance of Miller agreeing to an extension with NJ by July 7th. I don’t see how this even happens. Why would he do that unless it’s some very crazy overpay.

The 2023 draft is ridiculous so unless they protect the crap out of it, way more than just lottery protection, that’s a ridiculous thing for NJ to trade before the next season starts considering the goaltending situation. (If you don’t know, the Devils’ goaltending situation is very bad and the 2022 goaltending UFA market is also very bad.)

And Miller has the most value to current playoff contender so the only way this trade happens is if Fitz decides to make a terrible desperation move. People can blather on about extensions all they want, it’s his current contract that has tremendous value, but that’s for a team that’s very competitive now and has a tight cap.

Boeser to NJ makes sense because they can afford to slightly overpay him, which might be required due to his qualifying offer. They aren’t going to spend extra for an older player on a value contract.

If I was a Canucks fan I would want the 2OA too but it’s not a very realistic trade.

 

[Vakarte]

If JT Miller is as good as people make him out to be, then he should be more than just a forward with one near 100-point season under his resume.

Oh wait, he's been a top 6 forward for most of his career

 

[jmelm]

I'm not sure what Slaf has to do with it...you were asking what the Devils would do if Slaf were gone? I was saying that they likely would just take Wright, imo.


They probably would...but the devils trading #2 has a very limited pool of suitors in a trade down scenario. If Arizona wants Wright, the devils basically are telling them, "hey, give us this to flip picks and you can have him, otherwise we are taking him".

Oh, I'm sorry, I thought you said you thought MTL was going to take Wright no matter what.

Sure, I could see NJD drafting any one of Wright, Cooley or Nemec; and if they take one of the Wright/Cooley, they could start either of them to W, and/or keep Mercer on W.

Regarding Arizona and trading down, I'm not sure what NJD's objective would be -- do they want to pick up some small asset like a mid second rounder and just move down one spot? Or do they look to move 3-5 spots down but still stay in the top 10?

I don't see Arizona giving up much if anything (not more than a mid 2nd rounder) to move up 1 spot because there's not a huge talent gap between Wright & Cooley, and I think they're equally content with either one of them and will just take whichever one falls. So I'm not sure there's really a deal there between those 2 teams.

 

[Jacob582]

This reminds me of when Buffalo supposedly tried to get 7oa (William Eklund) for the 14th and Reinhart.

 

[Rowlet]

Projected 2nd overall pick Slafkovsky says the Canucks interviewed him and asked if he could play centre

Marek + Friendman saying that Slafkovsky was interviewed by the Canucks

 

[Hisch13r]

Neither was Jack Hughes. Seth Jones was the concensus #1 pick in 2013 until the Gretzky Hlinka cup too. There was the Taylor vs Tyler battle in 2011 as well

Hughes definitely was.

 

[TheGortonConspiracy]

Definitely add at least Q. Hughes. That would be pretty cool actually, but it makes no sense whatsoever for rebuilding Devils as other posters have pointed out.

 

[Eggtimer]

I don't know how Vancouver would feel about it but

Sharangovich + Gritsyuk +2022 2nd or Kevin Bahl
Or
Holtz + 2022 2nd

FOR

Miller
------

First proposal I think could interest Vancouver if they aren't high on Holtz who is still quite a raw prospect. Sharangovich would easily slot into the 2nd line if Garland is getting traded and podkolzin moves up a line. Gritsyuk just won Rookie of the year in the KHL and while it might be hard to get Russian players to the NHL right now I believe the Canucks have a pretty good track history with dealing with such things. Perhaps they get Bure to help him along? Bahl is LD who might interest Canucks if they want a Meyers type replacement. He's still pretty new to the NHL but he is a big body D who in his brief stay on the Devils seems pretty good at clearing the net and knocking players off the puck along the boards.

The Holtz proposal doesn't need explaining.

I think either trade would only happen if the Devils spoke with Millter and knew he would be willing to resign.

This trade is probably not the best one that the Canucks will probably get for Miller. Vegas will probably do its usual thing and trade players they should keep for biggest available player during the off season.

Shea Theodore for Miller anyone?

First package is way more than the second.I’d say Gritsyuk is closer to as good of a prospect as Holtz. As in almost a toss-up in my opinion . I wouldn’t say the difference between Gritsyuk and Holtz is Shara plus Bahl.

 

[Hisch13r]

Definitely add at least Q. Hughes. That would be pretty cool actually, but it makes no sense whatsoever for rebuilding Devils as other posters have pointed out.

I mean you wouldn't be adding Quinn to Miller lol. If anything it'd be Quinn alone from the Canucks and the Devils would be the one adding. Quinn's more valuable than the 2OA. Vancouver's also just not moving Quinn outside of a big overpay

 

[Rowlet]

Definitely add at least Q. Hughes. That would be pretty cool actually, but it makes no sense whatsoever for rebuilding Devils as other posters have pointed out.

Add a 22 year old top 15D in the league who was 6th in pts, 68 in 76, to a 29 year old 100 pt center for a 2nd overall pick?