Player Discussion Joshua Roy

[BLONG7]

Send him to the AHL to send a message. He needs to get better pro habits.

He could benefit being down in the A and getting top line and PP minutes......his camp has been less than expected.
He could also stay, in a limited role, and find his game. MSL will make the call.

 

[ChesterNimitz]

The top 6 is congestionated.

Suzuki, Slaf, Caufield, Demidov, Dach, Laine.

Assuming we don't re-sign any of Armia, Dvorak and Evans.

That would open the bottom six to players like Newhook, Kapanen, Heineman, Roy, Anderson, Tuch, Beck, Hage, etc.

Problem i have with Roy is that when you are a role players, you have to bring something to the table. Like Newhook speed, or Kapanen being a RHC, or Tuch physicality.

Players like Roy, smallish, low paced winger, not physical, if they are only 40-50 points producer holds at best marginal value in the league. He's not bad tho, he has good IQ, is a menace offensively, good hands, can patiently wait and profit from opening, very good positioning. I just see nothing really special here.

It can't be overstated how big of a year it is for him, to establish himself as a worthy NHLer. I would bet his future is with another team tho.

This is a big year for more than just Roy.

With Beck, Kapanen, Tuch, and Heineman already pressing for roster positions; Demidov, Hage, Florian, Davidson, Sawyer and Thorpe on the horizon and with Hughes having 3 first and 4 second draft choices in his pocket over the next two years, competition for those available forward spots (other than the current top line) will be fierce. We can expect a whole 'new look' team by 2027.

I just wouldn't be buying too many current fringe players' jerseys unless you are really into obscure nostalgia.

 

[Essenege]

You have to laugh at the people who want to send him down in the A.

Roy will always look like a ghost because he isn’t a play driver. He lives in the open space and often one touch the puck to a teammate.

He also rarely turns the puck over and is sneakily pretty good at creating turnovers in the neutral zone.

Its easy to see what a Lane Hutson or a Kirby Dach is doing on the ice, less so with a Roy or a Toffoli.

 

[Tyson]

You have to laugh at the people who want to send him down in the A.

Roy will always look like a ghost because he isn’t a play driver. He lives in the open space and often one touch the puck to a teammate.

He also rarely turns the puck over and is sneakily pretty good at creating turnovers in the neutral zone.

Its easy to see what a Lane Hutson or a Kirby Dach is doing on the ice, less so with a Roy or a Toffoli.

Laugh at people who think that he might not be ready? Yeah ok

 

[Essenege]

Laugh at people who think that he might not be ready? Yeah ok

Roy is at 57% 5v5 on-ice expected goals last year easily best on the Habs (although small sample), sending him down over 2-3 so-so preseason game is a terrible take.

 

[ChesterNimitz]

Laugh at people who think that he might not be ready? Yeah ok

I try not to laugh at anyone except my friend who is a Leafs fan since the late 1950s . Anyone who can be so steadfastly a fan of continuing failure (1967) deserves our derision. Or pity. And yes, he’s also a lawyer and an infrequent poster here. I will await his shape retort.

 

[rahad]

This is a big year for more than just Roy.

With Beck, Kapanen, Tuch, and Heineman already pressing for roster positions; Demidov, Hage, Florian, Davidson, Sawyer and Thorpe on the horizon and with Hughes having 3 first and 4 second draft choices in his pocket over the next two years, competition for those available forward spots (other than the current top line) will be fierce. We can expect a whole 'new look' team by 2027.

I just wouldn't be buying too many current fringe players' jerseys unless you are really into obscure nostalgia.

Could Kent try to move some of his pick for the 2026 or 2027 draft? We do have lot of young players around the same age.

 

[Rapala]

Laugh at people who think that he might not be ready? Yeah ok

At this point anyone who isn't waiver eligible is susceptible to being sent down.

Roy is at 57% 5v5 on-ice expected goals last year easily best on the Habs (although small sample), sending him down over 2-3 so-so preseason game is a terrible take.

I think it's obvious he'll get his chance but so will others and his hold on his seat isn't guaranteed by any stretch.
I'm curious to see what he looks like when the team still has everything to play for.

 

[Pompeius Magnus]

I'd really like him to play with more volume and presence, but that's just not his game. We'll need to give him a chance on a legit offense oriented line if we really want to know what he can bring. He's kinda cursed to be in the top 6 or bust.

 

[Essenege]

At this point anyone who isn't waiver eligible is susceptible to being sent down.

I think it's obvious he'll get his chance but so will others and his hold on his seat isn't guaranteed by any stretch.
I'm curious to see what he looks like when the team still has everything to play for.

No he’s not guaranteed long term but he has to fumble it real hard in the first 20 games and sending him down before the start is certainly not an option IMO

 

[Rapala]

No he’s not guaranteed long term but he has to fumble it real hard in the first 20 games and sending him down before the start is certainly not an option IMO

This team still believes it can rank much higher this season. I expect a much shorter rope for everyone.
I'd be surprised if they wait even 10 games to make changes if things aren't going well.

 

[ChesterNimitz]

Could Kent try to move some of his pick for the 2026 or 2027 draft? We do have lot of young players around the same age.

With an expected increased salary cap and a number of expiring contracts, I would expect that Hughes will be aggressive both on the trade and free agency markets. This intuitive General Manager has a wealth of assets at his disposal. He will be active. The marketplace knows it. And most importantly, those fringe roster players know it. If that isn’t a motivator, those players won’t be in the team’s longterm plans. Nor should they be.

 

[Mrb1p]

Could Kent try to move some of his pick for the 2026 or 2027 draft? We do have lot of young players around the same age.

He needs to keep those picks to make the team better right now, not to have an influx of talent in 5 years.

 

[WeThreeKings]

He needs to keep those picks to make the team better right now, not to have an influx of talent in 5 years.

They aren't and never were targeting this year.

But if Rasmus Andersson is moving and he's open to extending next year; those types of players could be acquired a bit earlier than their timeline.

 

[Jaynki]

This is a big year for more than just Roy.

With Beck, Kapanen, Tuch, and Heineman already pressing for roster positions; Demidov, Hage, Florian, Davidson, Sawyer and Thorpe on the horizon and with Hughes having 3 first and 4 second draft choices in his pocket over the next two years, competition for those available forward spots (other than the current top line) will be fierce. We can expect a whole 'new look' team by 2027.

I just wouldn't be buying too many current fringe players' jerseys unless you are really into obscure nostalgia.

Could not agree more.

Hard coaching and hard roster decision incoming

 

[ChesterNimitz]

Could not agree more.

Hard coaching and hard roster decision incoming

I think its a great problem to have: having a current core of good young talent with a wave of additional talent 'incoming.' These are good decisions to be forced to make. How long has it been - a decade? multiple decades? since we had the problem ( luxury) of having to choose from a pool of talent.

It's good time to be a Canadiens fan.

 

[bsl]

He had four scoring chances yesterday, including a breakaway. He had the second most scoring chances out of all our forwards after Dach.

You are the same as people who've been dismissing him, unable to discern what is lazy from what is just not a player that plays outside his limits. Your evaluations are misguided. You want him to skate around the ice like he's Paul Byron but he's not that. He's a player that slows down the play, puts pressure in the offensive zone by being positionally sound and that does the same defensively.

It's not too hard to see when you have an experienced eye, but for a more casual viewer I can see why it may be hard to see.


Good thing is, he's also got highlights.

Vet move.

He also made some very good defensive plays on Sandersons goal that were all taken away by Mailloux and Primeau.


Your evaluation is clearly not rooted in reality but mostly emotional.


Lists a bunch of special traits and follows up with " I just see nothing really special"

4 scoring chances. Did he score? He’s small and slow. Don’t like the player.

 

[bsl]

Roy is a facilitator. he plays slow skating wise, cause, well, he is... but he processes quickly. His game is all quick smart plays. I don't agree that he had a bad camp, I don't think he was superb but not running around the ice /= no effort. I do think he could be a good fit with Dach and Newhook who are both strong skaters that like to carry the puck and would allow Roy to play his cerebral game.

Please everyone give up. He’s vanilla. Shows zero star potential. There are 100 prospects like him in the nhl.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Please everyone give up. He’s vanilla. Shows zero star potential. There are 100 prospects like him in the nhl.

He’s not flashy. He’s not a dynamic skater. But he’s really smart and has good hands. Stylistically - he’s Luc Robitaille.

He’s never going to be as good as Robitaille was but he’s got that same style only he’s a better two way guy. I think if he’s given top six minutes and linemates he could have. 40 point year. Solid young prospect.

 

[JT3]

Please everyone give up. He’s vanilla. Shows zero star potential. There are 100 prospects like him in the nhl.

Who claimed he's gonna be a star? I think he can be a smart 2 way player who you can move up and down the lineup.

I just don't necessarily buy in that he had a bad camp and needs to start in the AHL

 

[26Mats]

Please everyone give up. He’s vanilla. Shows zero star potential. There are 100 prospects like him in the nhl.

I'm not worried. We have Kapanen, Hage, Newhook, and Beck so far as 4 other candidates for the 3rd line. We'll be fine long term with or without Toy. So might as well do whatever is best for his development now.

 

[Mrb1p]

4 scoring chances. Did he score? He’s small and slow. Don’t like the player.

I bet he doesn't like you either it's fine

Please everyone give up. He’s vanilla. Shows zero star potential. There are 100 prospects like him in the nhl.

Who's got that star potential aside from Laine and Demidov? Trade them all, f***ing scrubs.