Joshua Ho-Sang, Center/Right-wing, 1st Round

[Lame Lambert]

He is barely black. From what I hear he identifies as Jewish. His mother is white/Hispanic (she is European ethnically but was born in Chile) and his father is primarily black but judging by his last name, part Chinese.

 

[Felix Unger]

He is barely black. From what I hear he identifies as Jewish. His mother is white/Hispanic (she is European ethnically but was born in Chile) and his father is primarily black but judging by his last name, part Chinese.

While it would be lovely to hear moral objections to the one-drop rule, I really doubt this is one of those.

BTW, you should come visit one of the synagogues in my neighborhood in Brooklyn. Then you might understand how stupid it is to imply that a person can't identify as both black and Jewish. Families with American Jewish and Americans of West Indian descent (some of which convert to Judaism) are actually quite common. I suspect it's the shared cultural features of strong matriarchs, aversion to pork, and Saturday Sabbaths that explains it. That's inside baseball, though, which I wouldn't expect an ignoramus to understand.

 

[The Underboss]

Let's move along from the race comments. It shouldn't matter if he's black, white, German, or purple. He's a hockey player and lets focus on that.

 

[BroadwayJay*]

Let's move along from the race comments. It shouldn't matter if he's black, white, German, or purple. He's a hockey player and lets focus on that.

The problem is that certain individuals don't like him because of a combination of his skill, his spirit, and his race.

Those same individuals will often vigorously deny that it is about race, but nonetheless our own life experiences with those sorts of individuals informs our experiences to identify the code-words for unfair racial profiling.

Josh Ho-Sang is a magnificent player, a player we will love when he's shimmying past the Ranger bench in Brooklyn after stripping Girardi and burying one past Lundqvist. His racial identity matters because it inspires children to push past the "you can'ts" and the "you don't belongs" and to play, and excel, at this game we all love.

His race is inspirational, but otherwise irrelevant.

I can see him becoming my new Matt Donovan.

 

[The Underboss]

The problem is that certain individuals don't like him because of a combination of his skill, his spirit, and his race.

Those same individuals will often vigorously deny that it is about race, but nonetheless our own life experiences with those sorts of individuals informs our experiences to identify the code-words for unfair racial profiling.

Josh Ho-Sang is a magnificent player, a player we will love when he's shimmying past the Ranger bench in Brooklyn after stripping Girardi and burying one past Lundqvist. His racial identity matters because it inspires children to push past the "you can'ts" and the "you don't belongs" and to play, and excel, at this game we all love.

His race is inspirational, but otherwise irrelevant.

I can see him becoming my new Matt Donovan.

I understand his race may be something civil people may want to discuss, but it is of my experience as a mod and now admin/ms, that the race discussion rarely leads to a good place.

 

[NYIschremp44]

Newest addition!

 

[IslandersFan17]

Newest addition!

That's top notch. I want t to get a Tavares London Knights jersey. Or a Barzal thunderbirds jersey.

 

[ScaredStreit]

Who cares what race somebody is? Your race doesn't/shouldn't define you as a person. Can we just move on?

Race is involved, but it's not the entire issue.

Look at Okposo, he's half-black and you never hear the media rip him apart because he never gets in trouble. Iginla, Simmonds, Ward, Oduya. You never read articles questioning the character of any of these guys.

However if you do act up, like Kane, like Subban, and even like Ho-Sang, the way the hockey media criticizes you. There's a very funny show called The League on FX, and while they're talking about football, it's funny because they discuss what phrases the media uses to talk about players of different ethnicities:

So black head coaches like Tony Dungy are "class acts".
A white football player like Wes Welker is a "gym rat", "a real scrappy player".
A latino baseball player is a "firecracker".

So yes, there is still an undercurrent of racism, where a black player who "acts up" gets held to a different standard than a white player who "acts up". But hey, I can remember when fans threw bananas at Simmonds, so media double-standards isn't a good thing but it could be way worse.

Personally, Ho-Sang's attitude and cultural background make me hope he succeeds even more. If he hits his potential he'd bring in a diverse range of fans in Brooklyn, and even if the rest of the league hates him he'll still be our guy. If he wears #66 in the pros to piss off Lemieux I'm probably buying his jersey out of respect.

I've run into Tony Dungy a few times here (he lives near me), and he IS a 100% class act. I can't say enough good things about the man.

 

[scott99]

Let's move along from the race comments. It shouldn't matter if he's black, white, German, or purple. He's a hockey player and lets focus on that.

Man someone needs to Photoshop some purple on JHS.

Back on topic. I was really impressed by JHS at the prospects scrimmage, he truly has elite skills. He really seemed to mesh well with Beauvillier. Something to watch in the future. What I like about MDC, JHS, Beauvillier and Barzal, they are all playmakers, and all have played/or play like centers.

 

[scott99]

That's top notch. I want t to get a Tavares London Knights jersey. Or a Barzal thunderbirds jersey.

I would only get a Tavares Oshawa jersey. Was only with London for a few months. If I had unlimited income, I'd be getting a ton of prospects jerseys, I'd love to get Dal Colle and Tavares Oshawa jerseys, a Ho-Sang jersey, Barzal and Beauvillier jerseys, and maybe a Brandon/Pulock jersey.

 

[IslandersFan17]

I would only get a Tavares Oshawa jersey. Was only with London for a few months. If I had unlimited income, I'd be getting a ton of prospects jerseys, I'd love to get Dal Colle and Tavares Oshawa jerseys, a Ho-Sang jersey, Barzal and Beauvillier jerseys, and maybe a Brandon/Pulock jersey.

That's kind of why I like the London jersey. That and it was a #61 oppose this favored #91 outside of international play.

Income does limit the jersey buying process I admit that. However,the barzal jersey would be sweet like I alluded to before. Would also really like a Ho-Sang ice dogs

 

[islesjuncky]

I love ho sang because he's jewish and other stuff but mainly bc he's jewish. .

 

[scott99]

I love ho sang because he's jewish and other stuff but mainly bc he's jewish. .

Like color, religion shouldn't matter.I personally think he has a great personality and enjoy his passion for hockey and for fun. That being said, I think I read he celebrates Hannukah AND Christmas, his Dad might be Catholic. Being of the Jewish faith too, I really don't care what religion he follows. As long as it includes goals and winning.

 

[Islesfan22]

Like color, religion shouldn't matter.I personally think he has a great personality and enjoy his passion for hockey and for fun. That being said, I think I read he celebrates Hannukah AND Christmas, his Dad might be Catholic. Being of the Jewish faith too, I really don't care what religion he follows. As long as it includes goals and winning.

Exactly

 

[Chapin Landvogt]

And in connection with the Okposo talk, I wouldn't be surprised in the least if Snow sees Ho-Sang as Okposo's successor on the RW side over the long run.

Well, if this hasn't been mentioned already...

 

[rockhouse15]

And in connection with the Okposo talk, I wouldn't be surprised in the least if Snow sees Ho-Sang as Okposo successor on the RW side over the long run.

Well, if this hasn't been mentioned already...

I would see Strome as a better fit than Ho-Sang to replace Okposo at RW1 if I'm reading what you said correctly. Although the current versatility and depth of our NHL young guys (Nelson, Lee, Bailey, Strome, Petrov) and high level prospects (Barzal, MDC, Tony B, JHS) labeling any of them as a 1st, 2nd, or 3rd line guy might be unnecessary since everyone but JT will probably be able to slide up and down the roster and across positions. I could see a scenario where Strome and Barzal are the Cs in order to get more playmaking down the middle and JHS is the RW1. Or Nelson and Beauvillier are the Cs to get more of a scoring touch and two way game and JHS is down in the middle 6. Plenty of possibilities with this group.

 

[Chapin Landvogt]

I would see Strome as a better fit than Ho-Sang to replace Okposo at RW1 if I'm reading what you said correctly. Although the current versatility and depth of our NHL young guys (Nelson, Lee, Bailey, Strome, Petrov) and high level prospects (Barzal, MDC, Tony B, JHS) labeling any of them as a 1st, 2nd, or 3rd line guy might be unnecessary since everyone but JT will probably be able to slide up and down the roster and across positions. I could see a scenario where Strome and Barzal are the Cs in order to get more playmaking down the middle and JHS is the RW1. Or Nelson and Beauvillier are the Cs to get more of a scoring touch and two way game and JHS is down in the middle 6. Plenty of possibilities with this group.

I'm thinking it's Strome with JT, Ho-Sang with the next guy. Might be Beauvillier or Barzal when all is said and done.

 

[rockhouse15]

I'm thinking it's Strome with JT, Ho-Sang with the next guy. Might be Beauvillier or Barzal when all is said and done.

Oh Ok, you were saying replace Okposo as a RW not replace him as RW1. Unless Ho-sang is ready by next year (which I highly doubt ) I'm not sure he would be a direct replacement. With Barzal/JHS 1-3 years away at best we might need a stop gap at a scoring RW spot if Okposo leaves next year either from within or outside the org.

 

[Hockey Sock]

Like color, religion shouldn't matter.I personally think he has a great personality and enjoy his passion for hockey and for fun. That being said, I think I read he celebrates Hannukah AND Christmas, his Dad might be Catholic. Being of the Jewish faith too, I really don't care what religion he follows. As long as it includes goals and winning.

I only pray he believes in the Lord.---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Lord Stanley!

 

[OlTimeHockey]

I'm thinking it's Strome with JT, Ho-Sang with the next guy. Might be Beauvillier or Barzal when all is said and done.

 

[rikker]

poor Bailey. this was a ridiculous marketing stunt, and he paid the price. people that didn't know his game, expected him to be the next Lucic

i can see him having his best year ever, this year.

 

[Dutch Frost]

poor Bailey. this was a ridiculous marketing stunt, and he paid the price. people that didn't know his game, expected him to be the next Lucic

i can see him having his best year ever, this year.

Yeah 45 pts

 

[SLAPSHOT723]

poor Bailey. this was a ridiculous marketing stunt, and he paid the price. people that didn't know his game, expected him to be the next Lucic

i can see him having his best year ever, this year.

Who said anything about him being the next Lucic? He doesn't suck because he's not physical, he sucks because he's not good.

 

[BroadwayJay*]

Who said anything about him being the next Lucic? He doesn't suck because he's not physical, he sucks because he's not good.

Bailey is good. He scores, he possesses, he plays strong defense. What's not to like?

 

[SLAPSHOT723]

Bailey is good. He scores, he possesses, he plays strong defense. What's not to like?

I don't think he has strong defense at all. That's overrated by fans to make up for his other major flaws. The only time he was scoring was on JT's line also, any other line he's been on he's been an anchor.

After Strait I want him gone the most.