Player Discussion Josh Norris C 6’1” - Part 2

[HSF]

He just finished his first 82 games scoring 27 goals and 52 points. He will play this season as a 22 year old. He could still easily turn into a top line player. I can't remember the las time the Sens had a 21/22 year old throw up 27 goals in his first 82 games.
People acting like he has been shity or has reached his peak are plain loco

I think the above poster does have some merit too. He is getting prime PP and 5 on 5 time and playing with two players who most here would consider our best forward.

He definitely looks good but I am still skeptical if he is a 1C on a contender. Also zero pressure on the team aswell. I am on the fence with him. I wouldn't overpay him like we did Brady though I don't think he has shown enough. If he is willing to do 7mill long term i would probably do that

 

[JackieDaytona]

I think the constant comparisons to Brady (wrt contracts) should be reconsidered. Brady received special consideration and compensation because he started doing what he's doing very young (immediately), because of his last name 'brand' and the associated 'intangibles' that are clearly on display these days, and because it's easy to point to league-leading stats in a few categories for him over a somewhat sustained time period. BT is a unique player in that regard. This is something that other players just cannot do, so the comparison falls apart, even if they might be comparable or surpass BT in points.

 

[TheDebater]

I think people need to stop comparing players to Brady, we have explained multiple times that Brady is a unique player, not just on the Senators but in the entire league. You simply do not judge players like Brady based solely on stats, and you overpay them if you have to because players like Tkachuk are bottom line players---they win games for you on way or another.

Norris is excellent I would love it if somehow Stützle can surpass him as the #1 center, you would suddenly be looking at one of the best #2 centers in the league in Josh Norris. He is a prototypical scoring NHL player where you will not notice him much but he does everything just right and then will snipe a goal out of nowhere when you need him to.

Reminds me of Jeff Carter in a way, in fact it would probably never hurt to move Norris to wing at one point and go with Stützle-Pinto down the middle.

 

[supsens]

I think the above poster does have some merit too. He is getting prime PP and 5 on 5 time and playing with two players who most here would consider our best forward.

He definitely looks good but I am still skeptical if he is a 1C on a contender. Also zero pressure on the team aswell

Well he is no Suzuki who fancy pants his way to minus 30 with a way better team with way better goaltending...
The guy has always turned into the top center at every level his entire life. This is his second year of course he wouldn't be the top center on a contender. I think people are confusing top line player with top 5 center in the NHL

Tied for 9th in goals for centers 1 goal behind JT for 6th place.. 1 point behind Bergeron for 26th in points for centers. 2 of the guys ahead are in Edmonton 2 are in Toronto 2 are in Colorado.
I have no idea how he won't get better over the next 2 or 3 years.

 

[OD99]

If we put this in perspective Norris should have been our 3rd line C last season and had a full season under his belt.

Yes he is getting prime opportunity but that is because he has the offensive tools to take advantage of those opportunities. The downside to that is he plays against the other teams top lines with 2 very fresh W as well. On the whole, they are all doing amazingly well considering all the details.

 

[aragorn]

Well he is no Suzuki who fancy pants his way to minus 30 with a way better team with way better goaltending...
The guy has always turned into the top center at every level his entire life. This is his second year of course he wouldn't be the top center on a contender. I think people are confusing top line player with top 5 center in the NHL

Tied for 9th in goals for centers 1 goal behind JT for 6th place.. 1 point behind Bergeron for 26th in points for centers. 2 of the guys ahead are in Edmonton 2 are in Toronto 2 are in Colorado.
I have no idea how he won't get better over the next 2 or 3 years.

And how many guys ahead of Norris in the scoring race are his age or younger? Not many.

 

[Cosmix]

I think people need to stop comparing players to Brady, we have explained multiple times that Brady is a unique player, not just on the Senators but in the entire league. You simply do not judge players like Brady based solely on stats, and you overpay them if you have to because players like Tkachuk are bottom line players---they win games for you on way or another.

Norris is excellent I would love it if somehow Stützle can surpass him as the #1 center, you would suddenly be looking at one of the best #2 centers in the league in Josh Norris. He is a prototypical scoring NHL player where you will not notice him much but he does everything just right and then will snipe a goal out of nowhere when you need him to.

Reminds me of Jeff Carter in a way, in fact it would probably never hurt to move Norris to wing at one point and go with Stützle-Pinto down the middle.

Had a double take on the phrase "bottom line players" but I get your meaning.

Having Stutzle at #1C, Norris at #2 and Pinto at #3 seems more likely. I like Norris but do not see his skillset at the #1 level. I also like Pinto but he has a way to go before being a #2 C. But Stutzle-Norris-Pinto-Paul could be a very good set of Cs.

 

[SensFactor]

How much is Norris going to cost us as RFA?

$6.75M x 6 years too low?

 

[armani]

7 x 7 could be the sweet spot. A bit of risks taken by both the player and management.

Norris is trending towards being a 1st line NHL centre. He is likely an ideal #2C/apprentice behind a true franchise 1C, but at the moment he is learning on the job and doing a very good job as a sophomore.

 

[supsens]

And how many guys ahead of Norris in the scoring race are his age or younger? Not many.

I can't find a like button. I also can't believe some fans are snobby towards this guy and act like he can't pass the standards of the mighty Sens. Legit proven star players will be getting 9.5+ moving forward. Average top line guys comming off ECL's giving up thier primes will be looking for 7+
I hope they figure something out but if he hits close to 30 goals and 60 points he ain't taking no 5-6 long term. Thats 4 years ago money never mind 4 years from now. 60+ point 26 year old centers making 7ish million would be super easy to move so it's not a big risk

 

[bicboi64]

We've done a good job at devloping Norris, he better be locked up for a while over his prime years.

 

[SensontheRush]

I'd do 8 x $7m if he'd accept that. Seems pretty fair imo, maybe $7.5m.

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

He just finished his first 82 games scoring 27 goals and 52 points. He will play this season as a 22 year old. He could still easily turn into a top line player. I can't remember the las time the Sens had a 21/22 year old throw up 27 goals in his first 82 games.
People acting like he has been shity or has reached his peak are plain loco

A 2C is not a shitty player. Norris is a good player, but he definitely has some faults that prevent him from being a true 1C.

 

[Sensinitis]

A 2C is not a shitty player. Norris is a good player, but he definitely has some faults that prevent him from being a true 1C.

Out of curiosity, can you specify which faults?

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

Out of curiosity, can you specify which faults?

Playmaking is a big one. He's a great trigger man, and that works well as a 2C, but you need more than that as a 1C.

 

[supsens]

Playmaking is a big one. He's a great trigger man, and that works well as a 2C, but you need more than that as a 1C.

Meh I would rather a half and half like he does it. Hopefully he continues to increase both. I assume he will because for a rokie/second year player he is extremely consistent.

 

[TheDebater]

I'd do 8 x $7m if he'd accept that. Seems pretty fair imo, maybe $7.5m.

Honestly, way too early to say how much he should get.

Batherson is barely making 6 million, I am not sure we can justify giving Norris 1.5 million more.

 

[PlayersLtd]

I don't want to turn this into a Dorion discussion but if / when Norris signs long term for yet another team friendly number the positive aspects of Dorion's fingerprints on this team are going to be impossible to ignore. Not to suggest it is all PD's doing but the point on the graph where performance meets contract renewal has been perfectly timed for us to structure our cap in a very favourable way.

Pinto should be even better in this sense, more like Batherson's deal. Sanderson is the only guy you could see coming in and commanding a BIG number on his post entry level contract.

 

[Yak]

I think we could turn Brady into a #1C

Is you take Bath and Brady away from Norris, I wonder where he would slot.

Jimmy needs better players to play with Paul and Brown are not players who help him grow his game.

Pinto is awesome but has a way to go, he needs to work on his strength maybe a stint in the AHL to get his game back when he returns next fall.

 

[topshelf15]

If we were to draft a high skilled number 1 center,say Wright,why not put him with Bath and Chuk???Give Stu, Norris ...A highly skilled playmaking winger with a very good shooter center ,would create an nice balance on both lines

 

[Joeyjoejoe]

 

[Matsens15]

He is very good, but I’m still not convinced he will be a #1 Center in the league. I stil see him as a 2nd line center.

 

[Answer]

He should not get more than Batherson. To be fair his production is literally because of Batherson

He has a long long long way to go before proving himself to be a legit #1 Center.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

With Norris scoring more goals over an 82 game span than every Sen other than Yashin to start their career..
He plays 1st line C and has Newport /Oster as his agent.
Do the Sens move him off the top line to reduce his production and lower his possible price tag?

 

[DJB]

He should not get more than Batherson. To be fair his production is literally because of Batherson

He has a long long long way to go before proving himself to be a legit #1 Center.

I'm fine if Norris gets Batherson money.