Player Discussion Josh Norris C 6’1” - Part 2

[Alf Silfversson]

He’ll get paid for his goals not his points, and he’ll get a bump because he’s a centre.

I can see him locked in at between Batherson and Brady.

I think you're probably right.

Him and his agent can make a very good argument that he deserves at least asmuch as Brady though. Hopefully they don't!!

 

[DueDiligence]

Guys, if he gets under 8 M$, he's giving us a friendly deal.

U-23 players who have scored more than 35 goals in a season since Crosby (2005-06)

Alexander Ovechkin : 3 times
Steven Stamkos : 3 times
Sidney Crosby : 3 times
Auston Matthews : 3 times
Patrik Laine : 2 times
Connor McDavid : 2 times
Tyler Seguin : 2 times
Evgeni Malkin : 1 time
Ilya Kovalchuk : 1 time
Eric Staal : 1 time
Thomas Vanek : 1 time
Brayden Point : 1 time
Jason Robertson : 1 time
Alex DeBrincat : 1 time
Nathan MacKinnon : 1 time
David Pastrnak : 1 time
Alexander Semin : 1 time
Sebastian Aho : 1 time
Phil Kessel : 1 time

The worst players here are Thomas Vanek and Alex Semin lol

Josh Norris just scored 35 goals in 66 games, 43 goals pace.

So if he never got injured and scored at the same place in the 16 missing games, that would have been the 13th best goals scoring season among U-23 players since 2005-06

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One thing to keep in mind is that the 21-22 season was the highest scoring in over 25 years. I'm sure that will be brought up in negotiations.

 

[aragorn]

I wonder if they want the captain to be the highest paid player on the team?

 

[Mingus Dew]

I wonder if they want the captain to be the highest paid player on the team?

I mean it's an impossibility even if it's not Norris that surpasses him. By the time Stutzle is up he'll be making more than Brady.

 

[aragorn]

I mean it's an impossibility even if it's not Norris that surpasses him. By the time Stutzle is up he'll be making more than Brady.

I don't know about that, I know that most people on here want to see it, but there's a lot of hockey to be played yet before his contract gets dealt with.

 

[Mingus Dew]

I don't know about that, I know that most people on here want to see it, but there's a lot of hockey to be played yet before his contract gets dealt with.

Nothing is certain of course. But I think that as salaries continue to increase we'll be hard pressed in a few years.

I certainly don't think Norris should be approaching Brady's number, for what it's worth. The fact that he may do so speaks to that same inflation.

 

[SensFan1010]

i think a contract both sides would be very happy with is 7.1mx7

 

[OD99]

I don't know about that, I know that most people on here want to see it, but there's a lot of hockey to be played yet before his contract gets dealt with.

Why would you not want to see it?

If Jimmy signs for more than Brady it's because he has continued to improve and is a franchise player.

Jimmy is going to gain in popularity and it will be deserved. I figured by now you would like the kid. He plays hard all the time and doesnt back down but it always seems you have this low-key dislike for him.

 

[aragorn]

Why would you not want to see it?

If Jimmy signs for more than Brady it's because he has continued to improve and is a franchise player.

Jimmy is going to gain in popularity and it will be deserved. I figured by now you would like the kid. He plays hard all the time and doesnt back down but it always seems you have this low-key dislike for him.

It's quite possible he will & I hope he does if it makes the team better, I'm just not sure he does it before his contract is due, but it would be great if he does. He also needs to clean up a number of things in his game which I think just comes with time in the league. People seem to forget that Tkachuk is only 22 yrs old & he is only going to get better as well, he won't be stuck at 65 pts either & if he continues to play with Norris & Batherson who are also trending up the sky is the limit for all three.

 

[Xspyrit]

One thing to keep in mind is that the 21-22 season was the highest scoring in over 25 years. I'm sure that will be brought up in negotiations.

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No it's 15 years, same GAA as 2005-06

2018-19 and 2019-20 are not too far behind

But you're right though and teams have to use anything possible, I mean players agents right now :

 

[DueDiligence]

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No it's 15 years, same GAA as 2005-06

2018-19 and 2019-20 are not too far behind

But you're right though and teams have to use anything possible, I mean players agents right now :

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Thanks for supplying your chart as it backs up what I said. You'll see that the goals per game per team this year were the highest they have been since 1995-96.

 

[Mark Stones Spleen]

I have liked Norris as soon as he was traded here, was always excited about him. I think he's going to be a very strong two way player, but I am afraid of paying him mega bucks as I don't know if he's going to be able to offer 35 goals on the regular.

He's got 32 points away from the PP in 65 games playing on the top line. He needs to be bridged and can pay him later if he can build his assist totals and ES points. Great athlete, good in both zones and will get better, but I'd want to make sure this year just wasn't a fluke.

 

[coladin]

6yr- 48M. He will expire with Brady and totally understand why he would want that

 

[OD99]

I have liked Norris as soon as he was traded here, was always excited about him. I think he's going to be a very strong two way player, but I am afraid of paying him mega bucks as I don't know if he's going to be able to offer 35 goals on the regular.

He's got 32 points away from the PP in 65 games playing on the top line. He needs to be bridged and can pay him later if he can build his assist totals and ES points. Great athlete, good in both zones and will get better, but I'd want to make sure this year just wasn't a fluke.

I'm not going to research it again now but his consistency is amazing. He rarely goes 3 games without scoring and while his one-timer is obvious on the PP the coaches keep going to it because it is deadly.

He isn't a one-trick pony and can score in many ways; the puck follows him around in high danger areas. I bet he scores 40+ next year and would not be surprised to have him be our next 50 goal scorer.

 

[Korpse]

He isn't a one-trick pony and can score in many ways; the puck follows him around in high danger areas. I bet he scores 40+ next year and would not be surprised to have him be our next 50 goal scorer.

If he is ever going to touch 50 goals, he will have to start shooting the puck a lot more. 50 goal scorers are close to that 300 shot mark with a few exceptions in Leon Draisaitl and Chris Kreider who scored on 39.4% of his shots on the PP. I think it's reasonable to expect him to shoot the puck more moving forward but I'm not sure it will be close to 1 shot per game, which would put him around 300 shots.

 

[AchtzehnBaby]

Does Josh get a contract for his birthday?

 

[Alf Silfversson]

I wonder if Josh might get offer sheets.

With the new compensation rules a team could offer him up to $8.4M AAV and only give up 1st, 2nd and 3rd.

They could probably even go lower and offer front-loading and bonuses. I'd certainly give up 1st, 2nd, 3rd for Norris if I was a GM.

 

[Masked]

I wonder if Josh might get offer sheets.

With the new compensation rules a team could offer him up to $8.4M AAV and only give up 1st, 2nd and 3rd.

They could probably even go lower and offer front-loading and bonuses. I'd certainly give up 1st, 2nd, 3rd for Norris if I was a GM.

Who has the cap space to go after him and wouldn't be afraid to give up their shot in the Bedard lottery?

Plus he'd have to want to move on instead of playing alongside one of his best friends on a team that's clearly on the rise.

Assen na yo!

 

[playasRus]

I thought Norris was overpaid but seems to be the trend to sign your top 6 young forwards long term to big contracts.

Tage Thompson has same point pace as Norris last two seasons, but two years older - 0.8M AAV less.
The extra 0.8M probably comes with the extra year and I'm happy to pay it for the extra potential that Norris has over Thompson as a true 1C vs Thompson's ceiling as an elite 2C.

 

[Bevans]

I thought Norris was overpaid but seems to be the trend to sign your top 6 young forwards long term to big contracts.

Tage Thompson has same point pace as Norris last two seasons, but two years older - 0.8M AAV less.
The extra 0.8M probably comes with the extra year and I'm happy to pay it for the extra potential that Norris has over Thompson as a true 1C vs Thompson's ceiling as an elite 2C.

I don't see how you could conclude that Norris' ceiling is higher than Thompson's.

I would suggest it's the reverse given Thompson's extremely unique build, elite shot generation, and fact he won't be immediately surprassed by Stutzle.

Norris's contract is more expensive, in part, because it buys more valuable years (thompsons's doesn't kick in till his 26).

 

[Ice-Tray]

I don't see how you could conclude that Norris' ceiling is higher than Thompson's.

I would suggest it's the reverse given Thompson's extremely unique build, elite shot generation, and fact he won't be immediately surprassed by Stutzle.

Norris's contract is more expensive, in part, because it buys more valuable years (thompsons's doesn't kick in till his 26).

Norris has been better for longer.

Until last year he’s been a single digits scorer. Good in him for a break out year, and it will be great for Buffalo if he keeps it up, but Norris has been a scorer all along the way, and rocked the AHL in his rookie, and only year before graduating to the NHL.

 

[playasRus]

I don't see how you could conclude that Norris' ceiling is higher than Thompson's.

I would suggest it's the reverse given Thompson's extremely unique build, elite shot generation, and fact he won't be immediately surprassed by Stutzle.

Norris's contract is more expensive, in part, because it buys more valuable years (thompsons's doesn't kick in till his 26).

I won't say I have a crystal ball, but I'm applying the "Stutzle did x more than Petersson at 18 years old, and so this could be promising in terms of his career trajectory" projection to Norris having done more at 22 years old than Tage did.

Tage could end up being 1C, but as of today, I think Buffalo fans see him as their 2C with an outside shot of being their 1C which currently is projected to be Cozens.

 

[Bevans]

I won't say I have a crystal ball, but I'm applying the "Stutzle did x more than Petersson at 18 years old, and so this could be promising in terms of his career trajectory" projection to Norris having done more at 22 years old than Tage did.

Tage could end up being 1C, but as of today, I think Buffalo fans see him as their 2C with an outside shot of being their 1C which currently is projected to be Cozens.

Thompsons freakish height complicates that comparison a little. These guys take longer to develop.

I really like cozens too, but I don't know that he can surpass Thompson if he keeps playing like he did last season.

 

[AchtzehnBaby]

Injured - Shoulder

My guess 4-6 weeks

 

[NyQuil]

Of course it’s the game where he finally scores after being snakebit.

All the people clamouring for Pinto to play in the top six are going to get their wish.