Player Discussion Josh Norris (C) 6’-1” - Part 3

[Nac Mac Feegle]

The unfortunate part is that from a rebuild perspective, we were doing well. Then he decided to fast-track it because Chabot was tired of sucking. Then things completely went off the rails with asset and contract mismanagement.

It's funny...that's usually the point where rebuilds crash. Either someone thinks the team is better than it is and dumps assets for the missing piece right now, or the core demands a few kingpin trades and management complies and screws everything up. That's why the key word was always patience.

We lost patience and now the team is stuck in the no mans land with little in the stable (aside from the possible high 1st this year). If we would've kept 1-2 of those firsts instead of going for Cat/Chychryn, or taking a safer pick instead of Boucher, we (hopefully) would've had just enough future assets to pull out of no mans land in a year or two.

 

[Cosmix]

Went off with dead arm. I suspect another 10 months out

I don't "expect" another 10 months injury time; however, it did not look good with that arm hanging there. Hopefully it was not seriously injured and he can come back within a few weeks with rest and physio.

 

[DJB]

This guy is becoming almost impossible to trade barring just giving him away with that albatross contract and injury issues .

A shame because he’s the guy I’ve been saying we need to dump for a while now

 

[Burrowsaurus]

This guy is becoming almost impossible to trade barring just giving him away with that albatross contract and injury issues .

A shame because he’s the guy I’ve been saying we need to dump for a while now

You can’t give away an 8 million dollar contract.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

This guy is becoming almost impossible to trade barring just giving him away with that albatross contract and injury issues .

A shame because he’s the guy I’ve been saying we need to dump for a while now

There was apparently interest in him. If he is out with another long-term shoulder injury, I doubt that interest will remain. It sucks because it was more of a freak accident type injury than his shoulder just giving out.

A buyout would have been a very clean out from Norris if you think he is an albatross. (I don't agree). It's a 12 year buyout on paper, but in application it is actually only 8 years long because there is no real dead cap for the first four seasons of the buyout. Then aside from one year at 2.5M, it's 1.5M per year. 4-12 seasons from now, 1.5M will be a very minimal percentage of the cap.

They cannot buy him out if he is injured. This is the last season to buy him out at that formula, before a buyout costs twice as much in dead cap.

SEASON	INITIAL BASE SALARY	INITIAL CAP HIT	SIGNING BONUS	BUYOUT COST	POST-BUYOUT EARNINGS	SAVINGS	CAP HIT ( OTT)
2024-25	$9,500,000	$7,950,000	$0	$1,447,222	$1,447,222	$8,052,778	-$102,778
2025-26	$9,500,000	$7,950,000	$0	$1,447,222	$1,447,222	$8,052,778	-$102,778
2026-27	$9,500,000	$7,950,000	$0	$1,447,222	$1,447,222	$8,052,778	-$102,778
2027-28	$8,750,000	$7,950,000	$0	$1,447,222	$1,447,222	$7,302,778	$647,222
2028-29	$7,850,000	$7,950,000	$0	$1,447,222	$1,447,222	$6,402,778	$1,547,222
2029-30	$7,000,000	$7,950,000	$0	$1,447,222	$1,447,222	$5,552,778	$2,397,222
2030-31	$0	$0	$0	$1,447,222	$1,447,222	-$1,447,222	$1,447,222
2031-32	$0	$0	$0	$1,447,222	$1,447,222	-$1,447,222	$1,447,222
2032-33	$0	$0	$0	$1,447,222	$1,447,222	-$1,447,222	$1,447,222
2033-34	$0	$0	$0	$1,447,222	$1,447,222	-$1,447,222	$1,447,222
2034-35	$0	$0	$0	$1,447,222	$1,447,222	-$1,447,222	$1,447,222
2035-36	$0	$0	$0	$1,447,222	$1,447,222	-$1,447,222	$1,447,222
TOTAL	$52,100,000	$47,700,000	$0	$17,366,667	$17,366,667	$34,733,333	$12,966,664

 

[Flamingo]

We can always hope inflation buries his contract valuation for us.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

You can’t give away an 8 million dollar contract.

There was apparently interest in him. We don't know what the context was. We don't know if teams wanted him straight up for assets, or we had to take back money. But there were reports that teams were calling on him.

The Sens had an out via buying him out when he still qualifies for the U26 buyout formula, which is very close to a get out of jail free card cap wise because it combines with cap credits the Senators get for overpaying his cap because his contract was backloaded.

Out of the approx. 48M he is owed in cap, they would only have to pay 13M spread over 12 years (with a cap credit in the first 3 seasons, and only 600k in season 4).

They can't buy him out if he is injured. He needs to be medically cleared.

 

[Sun God Nika]

There’s a possibility he will be LtiR for all of next year

 

[Loach]

There was apparently interest in him. We don't know what the context was. We don't know if teams wanted him straight up for assets, or we had to take back money. But there were reports that teams were calling on him.

The Sens had an out via buying him out when he still qualifies for the U26 buyout formula, which is very close to a get out of jail free card cap wise because it combines with cap credits the Senators get for overpaying his cap because his contract was backloaded.

Out of the approx. 48M he is owed in cap, they would only have to pay 13M spread over 12 years (with a cap credit in the first 3 seasons, and only 600k in season 4).

They can't buy him out if he is injured. He needs to be medically cleared.

What reports of teams wanting him?

 

[Larionov]

The blunt truth here is that if this is a shoulder, and it requires surgery, his career may be over. You can only operate on a shoulder so many times before a joint replacement become necessary, and you don't play pro sports with an artificial hip, knee, or shoulder joint.

 

[Senator Stanley]

It's funny...that's usually the point where rebuilds crash. Either someone thinks the team is better than it is and dumps assets for the missing piece right now, or the core demands a few kingpin trades and management complies and screws everything up. That's why the key word was always patience.

We lost patience and now the team is stuck in the no mans land with little in the stable (aside from the possible high 1st this year). If we would've kept 1-2 of those firsts instead of going for Cat/Chychryn, or taking a safer pick instead of Boucher, we (hopefully) would've had just enough future assets to pull out of no mans land in a year or two.

The complete arrogance of the Boucher pick is really something. The stated rationale from Mann/Dorion at the time was that the team needed good depth pieces going forward, because the top of the roster was already set. So they took a giant risk on what they hoped would be a future third liner.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

The complete arrogance of the Boucher pick is really something. The stated rationale from Mann/Dorion at the time was that the team needed good depth pieces going forward, because the top of the roster was already set. So they took a giant risk on what they hoped would be a future third liner.

Mann once told a friend of mine that Dorion was an idiot. While he was still working for him. So how much is Mann and how much is Dorion. I dono

 

[Micklebot]

Coming in Hot suggesting it may be a broken collar bone,

 

[albator71]

I pray for him it's only that!

 

[DJB]

There’s a possibility he will be LtiR for all of next year

I actually think Norris is a decent player but he’s just grossly overpriced and injured too often.

LTIR to Leaf Robidas island may be the way we save cap

 

[Senator Stanley]

Coming in Hot suggesting it may be a broken collar bone,

I'm not a doctor, but wouldn't that be *way* better for his long-term return to play prospects?

 

[Micklebot]

I'm not a doctor, but wouldn't that be *way* better for his long-term return to play prospects?

Yeah, bones heal up fine, he'd be out for 8+ weeks so done for the season, but once back would be fine with no long term issue

 

[Flamingo]

It was a common type of collision that sent Norris into the back of the net, but I still really hate reverse-hits by the puck carrier.

 

[Senator Stanley]

It was a common type of collision that sent Norris into the back of the net, but I still really hate reverse-hits by the puck carrier.

It really wasn't much of a reverse hit from the Preds player, though. It was a guy bracing for contact and being much stronger on his feet than Norris.

And that's been an issue all season with Norris - he doesn't look strong enough. I assume some of that is the result of an offseason spent rehabbing, which would impact the way he could train.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

I hope for his sake this isn't the shoulder, but that did not look good and I assume it is. Have to start to wonder if this is going to be the end of the road for him.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Coming in Hot suggesting it may be a broken collar bone,

Looks like his shoulder/clavicle looking at this how he goes into the net and the bar hits the top clavicle area... Obviously could be wrong .. just looked like it to me.

What do they know?

 

[Micklebot]

What do they know?

Wally is stalking your posts for material.

 

[Senator Stanley]

What do they know?

It sounded more like wishful thinking than any kind of scoop.

x.com

x.com

 

[HSF]

dude is cooked if it is the shoulder

bad bad contract

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

What reports of teams wanting him?

Per Pagnotta, teams were calling about Norris. Others may have reported it as well.