Value of: Josh Manson to the Leafs at the deadline

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

I mean they could extend him... and playing like what exactly? Team has been missing significant pieces the last few weeks, due to covid running through the line up.

Gibson Fowler Lindholm Zegras Getzlaf Terry Milano Comtois Stolarz prob a few others i missed have all missed time over the last 10 games or so.

Playing like 3-7 in their last 10

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Especially at 50% retention, I'd expect/want more than just a late middle to late late first round pick. Probably not a huge amount more, but a decent prospect or a (projected higher than the decent prospect) reclamation project/someone needing a change of scenery on top of the pick.

As I said earlier that's not a crazy ask except Colorado, Carolina, Vegas and Florida have all traded their 1st round pick so I wonder how many 1sts we see move at the deadline considering those 4 are already gone

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Playing like 3-7 in their last 10

Sure take your 4 best forwards, your top 2 goalies, and 2 top dmen out of the line up and tell me how you do, was just a random puzzle every night

tough to judge the team over those last 10 games based on important pieces missing significant t time

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

The Leafs Would need Demott going back the other way to make salary work. Dermott+ 1st for Manson@50%, not sure how ducks feel about that.

Does he play right side?

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

A 1st for 50% Manson is IMO worth it but if Anaheim is indeed opening the floodgates I would rather pay the extra top prospect plus whatever it would take to bring Lindholm to TO

Well I’d imagine just about every playoff team would love to add lindholm , ducks should extend him tho…. He’s too important to our roster

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Does he play right side?

He can play both

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

He can play both

That’s what I thought, then I prob wouldn’t mind that. We’d def need a warm body that can play right side

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

That’s what I thought, then I prob wouldn’t mind that. We’d def need a warm body that can play right side

Holl is a natural RD

 

[WhatTheDuck]

Holl + 1st for Manson 1M retained, salaries basically wash out.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Well I’d imagine just about every playoff team would love to add lindholm , ducks should extend him tho…. He’s too important to our roster

Oh if he's available that's a different ball game I'd put damn near everything on the table for him.

 

[KaseMeOutside]

Playing like 3-7 in their last 10

Most of the team has gotten covid


I favor trading our UFAs though, how do leafs fans view Sandin and Liljegren ATM?

 

[13pacheco31]

Holl + 1st for Manson 1M retained, salaries basically wash out.

Nope

 

[thusk]

As I said earlier that's not a crazy ask except Colorado, Carolina, Vegas and Florida have all traded their 1st round pick so I wonder how many 1sts we see move at the deadline considering those 4 are already gone

Like you saif 4 of most serious buyer already traded their 1st and will depend how playoff picture will look at deadline

Team right now out of playoff
Giroux
Ristolainen
Jt miller
Giordano
Lindholm
Manson
Rakell
Chychrun
Hertl
Chiarot
Colin Miller

Team on the line
Brown
Pavelski
Klindberg

Player with best chance of 1st pick

Giroux
Hertl
Lindholm
Jt Miller
Chychrun
Giordano
Pavelski
Klindberg

So no i dont thing duck will be able to get a 1st round this season for Manson, too many good player are available. An 2nd pick should be Manson value.

 

[Spazkat]

The Leafs Would need Demott going back the other way to make salary work. Dermott+ 1st for Manson@50%, not sure how ducks feel about that.

I cant imagine the Ducks would have much interest in that eating extra year on Dermotts contract just to have a warm body. he's not very good

 

[thusk]

I cant imagine the Ducks would have much interest in that eating extra year on Dermotts contract @3m just to have a warm body. he's not very good

Dermott caphit is 1.5M, not 3m... its not a huge deal...

 

[Spazkat]

Dermott caphit is 1.5M, not 3m... its not a huge deal...

correction noted - I removed the dollar value from my reply

Regardless, they are still stuck with an extra year of a not very good player.

 

[lwvs84]

If you can get a 1st rounder or a prospect the scouts value as much as one back for Manson, you do the trade. If the best asset you get back is a late 2nd, Manson is more valuable for the leadership and protecting Drysdale (more in terms of matchups/minutes with Drysdale, but the physical protection with all the young guys.

 

[kevsh]

Leafs badly need help on the blue line but Dubas can't keep giving away firsts for a team that has shown it is clearly not a contender. Let this team show that it has what it takes to go on a run, then start mortgaging the future.

Thankfully, there are still some prospects in the system with potential but no guarantees. Considering that, Dubas should be looking for a steady bottom-pairing RD that won't cost 1st or 2nds (and the sooner the better, takes time for D to acclimate to a new team).

If he can't find it, he may convince himself that since his job is certainly on the line this spring, this team has to advance a few rounds and so he takes the plunge and goes for one of the higher valued targets. However, considering the Leafs' likely opponents in the first, and potentially, second round (and third and fourth), I definitely don't envy Dubas' situation. This team is in tough no matter who they bring in.

 

[Rooch]

Ducks finally getting healthy. Terry, Henrique and Fowler all coming back tonight against Boston (allegedly). Might change their strategy at the deadline if they start playing the way they did at the start of the season.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Leafs badly need help on the blue line but Dubas can't keep giving away firsts for a team that has shown it is clearly not a contender. Let this team show that it has what it takes to go on a run, then start mortgaging the future.

Thankfully, there are still some prospects in the system with potential but no guarantees. Considering that, Dubas should be looking for a steady bottom-pairing RD that won't cost 1st or 2nds (and the sooner the better, takes time for D to acclimate to a new team).

If he can't find it, he may convince himself that since his job is certainly on the line this spring, this team has to advance a few rounds and so he takes the plunge and goes for one of the higher valued targets. However, considering the Leafs' likely opponents in the first, and potentially, second round (and third and fourth), I definitely don't envy Dubas' situation. This team is in tough no matter who they bring in.

I don't think he has to convince himself of anything I think his job is on the line, and possibly Keefe's to because a new GM might look for a new coach

 

[thusk]

If you can get a 1st rounder or a prospect the scouts value as much as one back for Manson, you do the trade. If the best asset you get back is a late 2nd, Manson is more valuable for the leadership and protecting Drysdale (more in terms of matchups/minutes with Drysdale, but the physical protection with all the young guys.

I undestand your idea but we dont talk about 40 game of leadership and protection but max 18 game if duck are unable to resign manson. So if max duck can get is a second pick, why not

A lot of good player come from 2nd round like

Kucherov, girard, hart, debrincat, aho, carlo, cernak, hintz, dunn, kylington, saad, gibson, karlsson, orlov, dumoulin, lehner...

DUck are not in an easy scenario : if they loose lindholm, manson et rakell, they will be in trouble. If they loose all of them without get nothing in return, they will be even more in trouble. So for me it will depend if they want to hit free agency market or stay in anaheim. If they dont want to stay, they will leave for the best they can have for those player.

 

[lwvs84]

I undestand your idea but we dont talk about 40 game of leadership and protection but max 18 game if duck are unable to resign manson. So if max duck can get is a second pick, why not

A lot of good player come from 2nd round like

Kucherov, girard, hart, debrincat, aho, carlo, cernak, hintz, dunn, kylington, saad, gibson, karlsson, orlov, dumoulin, lehner...

DUck are not in an easy scenario : if they loose lindholm, manson et rakell, they will be in trouble. If they loose all of them without get nothing in return, they will be even more in trouble. So for me it will depend if they want to hit free agency market or stay in anaheim. If they dont want to stay, they will leave for the best they can have for those player.

Sure, there can be good players in the second round, but it's far more likely that the player doesn't make a huge impact. The probability of a 2nd round pick being a solid NHL player is pretty low. It would depend on where contract negotiations are and where the Ducks are for a playoff spot. If they are right there for that 3rd seed, why not go for the spot and use Manson in the playoffs? Or if they feel contract negotiations are going well and they can come to an agreement, keep him for that too. Losing Lindholm for nothing would be the biggest set back... a 2nd round pick isn't going to make or break the rebuild. Losing a 27 year old #1 d-man for nothing is going to hurt bad and set the Ducks back a lot.

 

[thusk]

Sure, there can be good players in the second round, but it's far more likely that the player doesn't make a huge impact. The probability of a 2nd round pick being a solid NHL player is pretty low. It would depend on where contract negotiations are and where the Ducks are for a playoff spot. If they are right there for that 3rd seed, why not go for the spot and use Manson in the playoffs? Or if they feel contract negotiations are going well and they can come to an agreement, keep him for that too. Losing Lindholm for nothing would be the biggest set back... a 2nd round pick isn't going to make or break the rebuild. Losing a 27 year old #1 d-man for nothing is going to hurt bad and set the Ducks back a lot.

You can use the pick to move up in the draft and trade him away to upgrade your team this offseason like colorado did with devon toews.

But at the end if duck keep everybody and still miss the playoff, they will loose all the way. The next 21 ganes will be huge for anaheim.

 

[Sparksrus3]

The Ducks have slid down the standings

the ducks are 3 points behind Vegas for first place and they just beat Tampa 5-1.
Which season are you referencing ?

 

[GOilers88]

Calgary has 7 games in hand SJ has 5

Edmonton has 6, too.