Post-Game Talk: Josh Archibald has eliminated the Oilers from playoff contention

[Drivesaitl]

Lol, you're reducing everything to 1 play eh? Good players make bad plays. Good players on good teams don't have to always watch every lead you help build get pissed away while you're trying to rest.

Doesn't really matter in the end how good he plays right now to be honest. Our 3 lines of useless will always find a way to give it back and more.

Great players tend to make at least one great play in 3 games of a playoff series. unfortuantely, with McD, we're still waiting. Ride Captain Ride. Through 11 periods of this series we haven't seen McD create one goal.

105pts in regular season though..he was stoking the burners hot for that run...Kind of disturbing.

 

[Trafalgar Sadge Law]

It needs to be considered that he has a degenerative back injury and is already one of the slowest skaters in the league when 100% healthy.
It’s rumoured that his contract is 3.5-3.75, even then that’s a risk I’m not willing to take.

The Oilers need to pull that contract offer ASAP.

 

[bellagiobob]

You realize you can say that about Archie too right?
He was a staple in one of the best PK last year and top 10 this year (top 5 in last half of season)

so bring him back too?

You 100% bring Archie back. It’s not a question in the room, only on HF.

 

[MessierII]

Give any other D the puck luck Larsson had and they'd be massively positive lmfao. 46% chances for percentage is disgustingly bad.

Larsson was excellent this year. The only people who say otherwise are the same people who think Caleb Jones is our best defensemen.

 

[KlefDown]

You 100% bring Archie back. It’s not a question in the room, only on HF.

After tonight, most of Edmonton probably doesn’t want Archie on the plane back home

 

[Trafalgar Sadge Law]

You 100% bring Archie back. It’s not a question in the room, only on HF.

Ah yes the magical dressing room effect that somehow makes up for the poor on ice product. Archie is a replacement level player who throws some nice hits and kills some penalties. He's a glorified Khaira.

 

[Oilhawks]

Ah yes the magical dressing room effect that somehow makes up for the poor on ice product. Archie is a replacement level player who throws some nice hits and kills some penalties. He's a glorified Khaira.

Aren't bottom 6 players generally 'replacement level players'?

 

[Trafalgar Sadge Law]

Larsson was excellent this year. The only people who say otherwise are the same people who think Caleb Jones is our best defensemen.

Adam Larsson was dog shit this year. The only people who say otherwise are just looking at filth like blocked shots/hits instead of what kind of value the player actually brings. Also for the record Caleb Jones is quite bad both analytically and in terms of the eye test so don't know where you're going with that, Nurse>Barrie>Bear is the clear order for Oilers top 3 dmen, he does grade better than Adam Larsson's boat anchor ass though I suppose.

 

[Paralyzer008]

Gotta say I'm in the middle on Adam Larsson.

He really struggled early, but he was good at preventing chances in a brutal role.

He has very little offensive ability and re-signing him for 4 years would be overkill and likely regrettable, but he was not the problem in this series or during the season. He was hard to play and rarely got a partner that works well with his game.

 

[KlefDown]

Aren't bottom 6 players generally 'replacement level players'?

Yes they are. For that reason, I would let every UFA in our bottom 6 walk.
Tons to be signed in UFA and acquired in low cost trades. Start a fresh cycle


Also one more year of Kyle Turris and James Neal lmaoo

 

[McGoMcD]

It needs to be considered that he has a degenerative back injury and is already one of the slowest skaters in the league when 100% healthy.
It’s rumoured that his contract is 3.5-3.75 at 4 years. even then that’s a risk I’m not willing to take. We just escaped a Russell contract, which in itself is coming off a Nikita nikitin contrac

Larsson really needs to go. What he does in terms of toughness, decent defensive positioning, and blocked shots and more than canceled out by the fact he is a horrible skater.

 

[bellagiobob]

Ah yes the magical dressing room effect that somehow makes up for the poor on ice product. Archie is a replacement level player who throws some nice hits and kills some penalties. He's a glorified Khaira.

If replacement level players are so easy to find, why have ours sucked for the better part of ten years, and why will next year that we miraculously have 6 new good ones?

 

[oobga]

Aren't bottom 6 players generally 'replacement level players'?

Pretty sure most of our depth is below replacement level. An actual good team should have replacement level 4th line, and useful 3rd liners that can win their posession battle every other game. We have a bottom 6, and now a bottom 9 that just gets owned consistently.

 

[ruaware41]

It was 4-1.

I come in solidarity from the T-dot

#itwas4-1

 

[Trafalgar Sadge Law]

Aren't bottom 6 players generally 'replacement level players'?

No plenty of bottom 6 players can be positive value at even strength and plenty of players can be complete filth, look at Colorado's bottom 6 for instance and compare it to say, the New York Rangers. You can't even tell they're in the same league. One has guys who get positive value at even strength AND kill penalties AND don't rack up the "you're a garbage player" stats like blocked shots because they actually have the puck and get it into the opposing zone even if it doesn't result in a goal, and buy so much time for their top 6 to do damage. The other has filth like Brett Howden who play most of the game in their own zone and force the next line to come out in the defensive zone.

 

[Oilhawks]

Yes they are. For that reason, I would let every UFA in our bottom 6 walk.
Tons to be signed in UFA and acquired in low cost trades. Start a fresh cycle


Also one more year of Kyle Turris and James Neal lmaoo

What's the big fuss about replacing replacement level players with more replacement level players? The third line should be made up of home grown talent by next season anyhow.

Holloway - McLeod - ???

Probably throw Kassian on that wing as a vet presence.

Adding another top 4D, two top 6 forwards and a 1G are priorities. The 4th line is good enough to not get completely caved and you're fine

 

[bellagiobob]

After tonight, most of Edmonton probably doesn’t want Archie on the plane back home

A bunch also don’t want Drai or McDavid back, so I will take what pissed off fans on a chat board say with a large grain of salt.

 

[MessierII]

Adam Larsson was dog shit this year. The only people who say otherwise are just looking at filth like blocked shots/hits instead of what kind of value the player actually brings. Also for the record Caleb Jones is quite bad both analytically and in terms of the eye test so don't know where you're going with that, Nurse>Barrie>Bear is the clear order for Oilers top 3 dmen, he does grade better than Adam Larsson's boat anchor ass though I suppose.

Scoring chance stats suck. They don’t even count goals. If I convert on 4 of my 5 chances and the other team converts on 1 of their 4 I’ve been out chanced. It’s dumb. Be smarter.

 

[KlefDown]

Oilers tomorrow

 

[Oilhawks]

No plenty of bottom 6 players can be positive value at even strength and plenty of players can be complete filth, look at Colorado's bottom 6 for instance and compare it to say, the New York Rangers. You can't even tell they're in the same league. One has guys who get positive value at even strength AND kill penalties AND don't rack up the "you're a garbage player" stats like blocked shots because they actually have the puck and get it into the opposing zone even if it doesn't result in a goal, and buy so much time for their top 6 to do damage. The other has filth like Brett Howden who play most of the game in their own zone and force the next line to come out in the defensive zone.

The Oilers will never be built like the Avs no matter who the GM is as long as McDrai are around. You will have to penny pinch somewhere. Might as well do it on the bottom 6.

 

[space321]

McDavid literally dragged this steaming pile of shit to the playoffs lol

then he went pointless for two games and came back with a 3 point game. The rest of the team has been able to muster up 1 goal combined. And the verdict is that McDavid needs to do more?

Swap McDavid with MacKinnon and this team will still be down 3-0 because the Jets only have to play defense against one line. We're a one line team, one line teams lose. It's that simple.

Boston was able to beat Washington because by adding Hall they became a two line team. Adding Hall also pushed whoever was there down to the bottom 6, and then their bottom 6 became stronger as a result. DeBrusk Coyle were dominant.

 

[McGoMcD]

Great players tend to make at least one great play in 3 games of a playoff series. unfortuantely, with McD, we're still waiting. Ride Captain Ride. Through 11 periods of this series we haven't seen McD create one goal.

105pts in regular season though..he was stoking the burners hot for that run...Kind of disturbing.

Give me a break. He has created tons of chances. Snake bit for first two games. This game Drai and McD put the team on their shoulders, and the team sucked. The turnover was the biggest non play. It didn't even result in a good chance. It resulted in a floater shot from the point that went in.

 

[space321]

Aren't bottom 6 players generally 'replacement level players'?

uh... no????

 

[Trafalgar Sadge Law]

If replacement level players are so easy to find, why have ours sucked for the better part of ten years, and why will next year that we miraculously have 6 new good ones?

Because we keep wasting resources on shit that doesn't matter like character/grit/leadership that doesn't translate to tangible on ice performance. Like take Nichushkin for instance. We meme Nichushkin for the MVP incident last year but as overrated as he is he's still a very clear positive influence player being paid pennies and above replacement level: he was kicked to the curb because he isn't a hurr durr intangibles guy.

 

[McGoMcD]

McDavid literally dragged this steaming pile of shit to the playoffs lol

then he went pointless for two games and came back with a 3 point game. The rest of the team has been able to muster up 1 goal combined. And the verdict is that McDavid needs to do more?

Swap McDavid with MacKinnon and this team will still be down 3-0 because the Jets only have to play defense against one line. We're a one line team, one line teams lose. It's that simple.

Boston was able to beat Washington because by adding Hall they became a two line team. Adding Hall also pushed whoever was there down to the bottom 6, and then their bottom 6 became stronger as a result. DeBrusk Coyle were dominant.

Couldn't agree more. There should be zero blame on McDavid. The blame is on the rest of the team.