Value of: Josh Anderson

[Guffman]

Anderson only guy who showed up to play

Cool. Thanks for the insight on a single game lol.

 

[FerrisRox]

Anderson is going nowhere.

Next year:
Gone: Drouin, Byron, Tierney.
Try to trade this summer: Dvorak, Hoffman.
Untradeable: Armia, Gallagher.

Habs need Anderson.

Slafkovsky - Suzuki - Caufield
Farrell - Dach - Anderson
Armia - Monahan - Gallagher
RHP - Evans - Richard

I highly doubt the Canadiens will try to trade Christian Dvorak this summer.

Why would they do that?

 

[CapSpace]

Well according to some Jets homer guy, Montreal should give their unprotected first in 2023 and add, just to get rid of Anderson.

Any takers ?

 

[Habs Halifax]

Cool. Thanks for the insight on a single game lol.

You're ignorant. Anderson has been performing very well for over a month now. That's who Anderson is. He fades in some games but when he is on his game, he is very effective. He does also have history of showing up in big games.

Don't pretend that you actually watch Habs games. Go and google his stats now to evaluate him.

Since the new year:
* 18 pts with 12 goals in 31 games

That's well over his career pace but just a little indication of what he can do when he is showing up. I think he fades when he gets put on a 3rd line with Dvorak. You would be uninspired in that spot too. Name me the most consistent center he has played with his career so far? Good luck

Can he hold that pace for a longer stretch? Yes he can but he needs a more consistent spot which he has not had. Lehkonen is a different type of player but his production was affected by that too in his time with the Habs.

Evaluating middle 6F on points when points come and go depending on who they play with is dumb. Bunting on the Habs would be no better than Armia (for example).

 

[Guffman]

You don't know what you think you know about me but you can carry on with that narrative but I don't care. You're flaming bud but that's what you do.

I'm aware Anderson is not a prefect forward. But I already told you and others... just cause it's not a value contract, it don't make it a horrible or bad one. Habs don't need cap space so whatever we are overpaying him to your standards, it's a non factor for us. We like the value he brings on the ice and it's much deeper than a points evaluation. I think there is a fair chance he rides out that term with the Habs. If not, the best time to try to move him is with around 2 years left. Cap will be much higher. Trying to move contracts today is difficult due to the flat cap growth. A lot of Habs fans need to stop trying to shop him IMO. It's only fooling posters like you thinking we are shopping him.

We are not going to trade him but we will listen to phone calls. Our price is pry away value so don't call if the offer is not serious. This is not a player we are desperate to move out like Hoffman, Armia, and Edmundson. And even with those 3, we are not that desperate to move them. We would like to to free up space for younger players so we might take low value in that case to trade them. Something Gorton/Hughes look at this summer. Hoffman and Armia might stay. Eddy at 50% retention won't be difficult to move.

I'm not trying to "skake down" any team. They either call or they don't. Lets not pretend that no GM has called the Habs about him. We have no incentive to move him for a late 1st rounder that may or may not make the NHL. Why? Cause we can move out others to free up room for younger players and it's more about roster room vs cap space room.

For a rebuilding Habs team, I question the value that Anderson actually brings unless it's a demonstration of bad habits of only playing a small portion of his games at a high level.

Yes, salary cap to the Habs shouldn't be an issue so you do have the opportunity to wait for the right time to trade him.

Is it now? Probably not. I would agree with you that his trade value would be better near the end of his contract for obvious reasons and that his current production and contract is not attractive currently to supersede what you would get in the future.

Hey, we agreed on something! Not interested in debating what an overpay would be to "pry him away". No team is going to do that (and if you think otherwise, don't avoid my initial question of what contending team would consider doing that).

You're ignorant. Anderson has been performing very well for over a month now. That's who Anderson is. He fades in some games but when he is on his game, he is very effective. He does also have history of showing up in big games.

Don't pretend that you actually watch Habs games. Go and google his stats now to evaluate him.

Since the new year:
* 18 pts with 12 goals in 31 games

That's well over his career pace but just a little indication of what he can do when he is showing up. I think he fades when he gets put on a 3rd line with Dvorak. You would be uninspired in that spot too.

Can he hold that pace for a longer stretch? Yes he can but he needs a more consistent spot which he has not had. Lehkonen is a different type of player but his production was affected by that too in his time with the Habs.

Evaluating middle 6F on points when points come and go depending on who they play with is dumb. Bunting on the Habs would be no better than Armia (for example).

I could make any player look good if I decided to selectively cherry pick a span of games and extrapolate that into a full season.

And you call me ignorant. LOL. Hey, ease off the insults and stick to the hockey talk.

 

[Guffman]

Anderson is going nowhere.

Next year:
Gone: Drouin, Byron, Tierney.
Try to trade this summer: Dvorak, Hoffman.
Untradeable: Armia, Gallagher.

Habs need Anderson.

Slafkovsky - Suzuki - Caufield
Farrell - Dach - Anderson
Armia - Monahan - Gallagher
RHP - Evans - Richard

Where is Dubois in this? I thought the Jets were going to trade him to the Habs for below-market compensation.

BTW, a rebuilding team doesn't need late 20ish players whose style of game tends to decline at any year. I'm sure the Habs can find some other flunky placeholder player to play a wing position in future non-playoff year seasons, right?

 

[Habs Halifax]

For a rebuilding Habs team, I question the value that Anderson actually brings unless it's a demonstration of bad habits of only playing a small portion of his games at a high level.

Yes, salary cap to the Habs shouldn't be an issue so you do have the opportunity to wait for the right time to trade him.

Is it now? Probably not. I would agree with you that his trade value would be better near the end of his contract for obvious reasons and that his current production and contract is not attractive currently to supersede what you would get in the future.

Hey, we agreed on something! Not interested in debating what an overpay would be to "pry him away". No team is going to do that (and if you think otherwise, don't avoid my initial question of what contending team would consider doing that).



I could make any player look good if I decided to selectively cherry pick a span of games and extrapolate that into a full season.

And you call me ignorant. LOL. Hey, ease off the insults and stick to the hockey talk.

I don't think you watch Habs games to know any context of value towards Anderson. So your opinions are strictly based on google stats searches. Watching one game or parts of one game is not enough bud.

I do think Anderson provides lots of value to a contender who has a deeper top 9 and a consistent spot for him to play in. However, most contenders don't have cap space so it's bad timing on some Habs fans trying to move him.

All you and others need to know is we are not calling other teams. It's the other way around. We have our pry away price and if you don't like it, don't call. We like Anderson in our line-up.

 

[thefutures]

But lets be real here. No [ good GM ] would be stupid enough to trade a 1st for
McCabe retained or not.

But they would for edmundson right? LOLOL

 

[Habs Halifax]

Where is Dubois in this? I thought the Jets were going to trade him to the Habs for below-market compensation.

BTW, a rebuilding team doesn't need late 20ish players whose style of game tends to decline at any year. I'm sure the Habs can find some other flunky placeholder player to play a wing position in future non-playoff year seasons, right?

You're flaming and trying to belittle Habs fans. It's against the rules of this site. Why are you brining in Dubois and "below market" narratives on his trade into the Anderson thread? For the record, Habs will offer something around the Trouba and Horvat trades so you're not accurate in your below market narrative flame. Maybe you can say that to some Habs fans but most trades I see are in line with the Trouba and Horvat trades.

We can see your approach from a mile away. Basically, you see an Anderson thread and you are only hear to cause a stir.

 

[Habs Halifax]

But they would for edmundson right? LOLOL

If he was trending well yes. But he has not this year. Savard has been more consistent and effective. Not sure what Edmundson is going through but it could be a factor of injuries and not gelling well with our younger group. The high points in Edmudson's play in his career was not with a rookie D man. He belongs with a puck mover who is not in development. That's how I see it anyways

Could get a 1st is not we will get a 1st. Comprehend the English language a little better. Edmudson didn't play enough games and Hughes talked about that in his press conference. He said teams were worried about his injuries and Hughes said he don't blame them.

 

[Guffman]

I don't think you watch Habs games to know any context of value towards Anderson. So your opinions are strictly based on google stats searches. Watching one game or parts of one game is not enough bud.

I do think Anderson provides lots of value to a contender who has a deeper top 9 and a consistent spot for him to play in. However, most contenders don't have cap space so it's bad timing on some Habs fans trying to move him.

All you and others need to know is we are not calling other teams. It's the other way around. We have our pry away price and if you don't like it, don't call. We like Anderson in our line-up.

Anderson was signed during Covid so it's not an unfortunate circumstance of "oh darn, the salary cap isn't moving".

Great, you got a player that no contender can reasonably take on. Circling back to the whole purposes of this thread, "What is the value of Josh Anderson"? Apparently, not much since no contender would want to try and fit him in their line-up.

If you want to talk about the value he's bringing to your current team, Habs forum -->

His trade value currently is not good. End of story.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Anderson was signed during Covid so it's not an unfortunate circumstance of "oh darn, the salary cap isn't moving".

Great, you got a player that no contender can reasonably take on. Circling back to the whole purposes of this thread, "What is the value of Josh Anderson"? Apparently, not much since no contender would want to try and fit them in their line-up.

If you want to talk about the value he's bringing to your current team, Habs forum -->

His trade value currently is not good. End of story.

We don't care what you think. We are not shopping him and we are glad to have him in our line-up.

 

[thefutures]

If he was trending well yes. But he has not this year. Savard has been more consistent and effective. Not sure what Edmundson is going through but it could be a factor of injuries and not gelling well with our younger group. The high points in Edmudson's play in his career was not with a rookie D man.

Could get a 1st is not we will get a 1st. Comprehend the English language a little better. Edmudson didn't play enough games and Hughes talked about that in his press conference. He said teams were worried about his injuries and Hughes said he don't blame them.

I'm comprehending just fine. He said mccabe 50% retained for 2.5 yrs is not worth a 1st. (2m salary). As you said, if Edmunsdon is trending well maybe he could fetch something, which Is exactly what mccabe was. Mccabe had a pretty good season for a horrible Chicago team, but he is no mtl canadian so no good GM would've or should've paid a 1st. Interesting.

Also what is Hughes supposed to say when the entire fanbase wanted edmundson moved and he wasn't? He had to explain to everyone why, prob got a mid round pick offer that he didn't see the worth in trading for.

 

[Qwijibo]

This thread in a nutshell. -

Habs fans. We’re happy with Anderson and what he brings to the team. Also fine with his contract.

Other fans. He sucks and you should retain 50% of his contract to dump him. (Despite the fact that actual hockey insiders have pegged his value as quite high and Montreal has shown no interest in moving him)

 

[Habs Halifax]

I'm comprehending just fine. He said mccabe 50% retained for 2.5 yrs is not worth a 1st. (2m salary). As you said, if Edmunsdon is trending well maybe he could fetch something, which Is exactly what mccabe was. Mccabe had a pretty good season for a horrible Chicago team, but he is no mtl canadian so no good GM would've or should've paid a 1st. Interesting.

Also what is Hughes supposed to say when the entire fanbase wanted edmundson moved and he wasn't? He had to explain to everyone why, prob got a mid round pick offer that he didn't see the worth in trading for.

Fans are all over the place. Some pump and some deflate.

It's not just the fan base that was looking to trade Edmundson. Hughes was as well. We have a clutter of D and I do expect to see Eddy moved this summer. Good value or meh value? Not sure. All I know is that when he is 100% healthy and playing with the right partner, he is very effective and even more in the playoffs for the style of game he plays. But it was just not the case this season.

 

[McDuffz88]

That's well over his career pace but just a little indication of what he can do when he is showing up. I think he fades when he gets put on a 3rd line with Dvorak. You would be uninspired in that spot too. Name me the most consistent center he has played with his career so far? Good luck

Can he hold that pace for a longer stretch? Yes he can but he needs a more consistent spot which he has not had. Lehkonen is a different type of player but his production was affected by that too in his time with the Habs.

Evaluating middle 6F on points when points come and go depending on who they play with is dumb. Bunting on the Habs would be no better than Armia (for example).

If a guy is playing uninspired on the 3rd line then that's a red flag. It shouldn't matter what line you're on. You should be giving 110% in all situations. I'll be honest I don't watch Anderson much, I'm just going off what you & others have stated. He's definitely not a 1st or 2nd line player on any playoff caliber team. Does he have goals? Yes but the one other giant red flag about him is having assists that aren't even double digits. That's an undisputed fact. He's literally pacing for 10-11 assists per 82 games which is absolutely atrocious. No player can be playing on the top 2 lines with such low assists. As a NJ Devils fan Anderson reminds me of Miles Wood. A gritty forward who can put in goals but can't boost the play of others around him. He scores more goals than Wood but also puts up lower assists. Wood plays on our 4th line btw. So the real question is would we pay Wood over 5 million for the next 5 years? Absolutely not, that would be a horrible contract for both term & length. Us fans don't even want to resign him for 3 million at this point. So Andersons contract is a boat anchor if I've ever seen one. Any fan who thinks Anderson has positive value is living in dream land. I will say there's a 0% chance a playoff team trades for him because at 5.5 million there's just so many better ways to spend that money.

 

[Habs Halifax]

This thread in a nutshell. -

Habs fans. We’re happy with Anderson and what he brings to the team. Also fine with his contract.

Other fans. He sucks and you should retain 50% of his contract to dump him. (Despite the fact that actual hockey insiders have pegged his value as quite high and Montreal has shown no interest in moving him)

Very accurate. This is why I have said a hundred times that some Habs fans need to stop shopping Anderson on these boards.

 

[Guffman]

This thread in a nutshell. -

Habs fans. We’re happy with Anderson and what he brings to the team. Also fine with his contract.

Other fans. He sucks and you should retain 50% of his contract to dump him. (Despite the fact that actual hockey insiders have pegged his value as quite high and Montreal has shown no interest in moving him)

I am not saying to dump him now. His trade value might be better in 2-3 years without having such a large contract commitment.

Habs can keep his contract. They are not under salary cap pressure. We were just discussing the topic in the thread, which is what is Josh Anderson's current value. It's not much with no retention and even Hab fans agree that no contenders are likely to try and take that on.

So, aren't we all in agreement?

 

[Habs Halifax]

If a guy is playing uninspired on the 3rd line then that's a red flag. It shouldn't matter what line you're on. You should be giving 110% in all situations. I'll be honest I don't watch Anderson much, I'm just going off what you & others have stated. He's definitely not a 1st or 2nd line player on any playoff caliber team. Does he have goals? Yes but the one other giant red flag about him is having assists that aren't even double digits. That's an undisputed fact. He's literally pacing for 10-11 assists per 82 games which is absolutely atrocious. No player can be playing on the top 2 lines with such low assists. As a NJ Devils fan Anderson reminds me of Miles Wood. A gritty forward who can put in goals but can't boost the play of others around him. He scores more goals than Wood but also puts up lower assists. Wood plays on our 4th line btw. So the real question is would we pay Wood over 5 million for the next 5 years? Absolutely not, that would be a horrible contract for both term & length. Us fans don't even want to resign him for 3 million at this point. So Andersons contract is a boat anchor if I've ever seen one. Any fan who thinks Anderson has positive value is living in dream land. I will say there's a 0% chance a playoff team trades for him because at 5.5 million there's just so many better ways to spend that money.

Lehkonen looked meh at times with us too. Different type of forward than Anderson but they have very good value when they are on their game. This is much different vs guys like Hoffman, Armia, Gallagher, Drouin. It does matter what line you are on because with middle 6F types, points come and go depending on who you play with. Matters more with some vs others. Go look at Bunting's stats when he plays bottom 6 vs top 6. Kerfoot? Same thing. Sorry bud, usage, ice time, and chemistry with your line-mates does matter. Heck, look at Gallagher's stats when he was playing with Danault? He's fallen quite a bit since Danault left.

Lets see how long Anderson can keep up his current pace. A lot of fans on these boards don't watch the games. He's been very good for more than 30 games and MSL has him playing to his strength. We have seen flashes of this off and on in the past and he does have history of showing up in big games. That's where the frustration lies but some fans will go on massive deflate narratives because of it.

At the end of the day, all this don't mean much cause we are happy to have him. I don't like how some Habs fans are obsessed with shopping Anderson on these boards.

 

[Qwijibo]

I am not saying to dump him now. His trade value might be better in 2-3 years without having such a large contract commitment.

Habs can keep his contract. They are not under salary cap pressure. We were just discussing the topic in the thread, which is what is Josh Anderson's current value. It's not much with no retention and even Hab fans agree that no contenders are likely to try and take that on.

So, aren't we all in agreement?

Why talk about his value in 2-3 years? That’s nonsensical. We have no idea how he’ll be playing then, what the team make-up will be, what the cap will look like.

Bottom line is we’re happy with him on the team right now. He has a toolkit that not many in the league do. He’s also improved under MSL’s tutelage. 2-3 seasons? Meaningless.

 

[JoelWarlord]

Because evidence. GM's have been overpaying for these types of players forever. Do I reallt need to list all the trades that GM's have made for grit?

A better question would be,...how do people that follow hockey not see the trend that has Anderson being valued significantly higher then his cred on these boards? Are we really arguing about the value of a giant, fast, 20g scorer that can fight? Is it really debatable as to whether GM's value a guy like this, even if his contract is 1MM more then we would like?

That is where this thread loses me, I mean come on, this has to be common knowledge.

I'm not sure why you responded to me in this way. I agree with everything you said.

 

[Guffman]

Why talk about his value in 2-3 years? That’s nonsensical. We have no idea how he’ll be playing then, what the team make-up will be, what the cap will look like.

Bottom line is we’re happy with him on the team right now. He has a toolkit that not many in the league do. He’s also improved under MSL’s tutelage. 2-3 seasons? Meaningless.

Conceptually, I was just saying that his value MIGHT be better in the future when there is not as much of a contract commitment for the acquiring team. I certainly was not planning on discussing what that value might be because yeah... who knows what type of player he will be.

Again, getting back to my original point, "We were just discussing the topic in the thread, which is what is Josh Anderson's current value. It's not much with no retention and even Hab fans agree that no contenders are likely to try and take that on."

So, are we not agreed about his current trade value to other contending teams? Or do some of you want to further discuss this and if the latter, what contending team do you think would be a good fit for him with no Habs retention?

 

[Qwijibo]

Conceptually, I was just saying that his value MIGHT be better in the future when there is not as much of a contract commitment for the acquiring team. I certainly was not planning on discussing what that value might be because yeah... who knows what type of player he will be.

Again, getting back to my original point, "We were just discussing the topic in the thread, which is what is Josh Anderson's current value. It's not much with no retention and even Hab fans agree that no contenders are likely to try and take that on."

So, are we not agreed about his current trade value to other contending teams? Or do some of you want to further discuss this and if the latter, what contending team do you think would be a good fit for him with no Habs retention?

Not interested in moving him. So his value with/without retention is immaterial. But for the record. People who are actually paid for their hockey opinions seem to believe his value is quite high. Retention never seems to come up when they mention how many teams are calling about his availability

 

[Canadienna]

TBH, I still kind of hope the Habs do move him. I just completely disagree with Guffman on his value.

I think Josh Anderson is not only worth his contract, but if moved will bring back a good package (somewhere in the range of 1st+ B prospect) with no or very little retention.

At this point of the thread, all the arguments have been made, and we're in the bickering part of the thread. I'll eat my crow if he's moved for a sub-par return.

 

[Gaud]

Habs GM turned down a 1st for him?

Suuuuuuuure.

It's funny seeing his speed and hitting get described as elite, when in reality, he has actually lost a step over the last two seasons, nor does he play a physical game; he's actually pretty timid. If he gets hit, then MAYBE he might start throwing some weight around.

He is 50th amongst forwards in hits right now at 133 in 60 odd games. He isnt an enforcer, he's a power forward; hitting is not the main part of his game and i definitely wouldnt say (or have even seen someone say) that his hitting is elite, but calling him timid is a stretch. I mean.. there are over 384 forwards in the NHL; he is in the top 15%.

And I'd wager some folks on that list hit a lot lighter than Anderson does.