Value of: Josh Anderson

[FerrisRox]

Hockey writers “3 reasons Canadiens need to trade Josh Anderson”. Google it.

So let me get this straight, your "evidence" that Montreal reporters are saying Anderson will be impossible to trade is the article '3 Reasons the Canadiens need to trade Josh Anderson."

Reason number three of the three reasons "Josh Anderson's Sky-High Trade Value."

Did you not even read the article that you offered up as evidence?

Montreal's only ever seriously shopped Drouin and Dvorak.

When did the Montreal Canadiens shop Christian Dvorak?

 

[Hunter368]

One and only friendly warning to some posters, calm down, post civilly or you will be excused from the thread permanently with an infraction. I don’t care what fan base you’re from. You’ve been warned.

 

[Captain Mountain]

So let me get this straight, your "evidence" that Montreal reporters are saying Anderson will be impossible to trade is the article '3 Reasons the Canadiens need to trade Josh Anderson."

Reason number three of the three reasons "Josh Anderson's Sky-High Trade Value."

Did you not even read the article that you offered up as evidence?



When did the Montreal Canadiens shop Christian Dvorak?

Seravalli said last year after Hughes was hired that Montreal had veterans in would trade category (Toffoli, Hoffman, Dvorak, Drouin) and would need to be convinced category (Lehkonen, Anderson). Montreal got what they were looking for to actually move Lehkonen (1st or prospect equivalent, preferably a RD and a 2nd), and likely haven't got what they'd be looking for to actually move Anderson (and I have no idea what that might be).

 

[_vivelequebec_]

Post June 15 2024 seems a perfect timing for moving him.

1) he might be on 25 goals back to back season 2) his salary (not cap hit) drops 3) three years left on his contract, which means his prime 4) NTC goes down from 8 to 5 teams 5) cap space for Dubois (and we’ll clear Alzner buy out at the same time) 6) salary cap increasing means his cap hit is more than acceptable

 

[JoelWarlord]

Everyone in here is correct in saying that he's overpaid and should be impossible to trade. That doesn't mean he actually is impossible to trade, and I'm not sure why people are so convinced that GMs value this player the same way most of us do on this board.

 

[Fatass]

Everyone in here is correct in saying that he's overpaid and should be impossible to trade. That doesn't mean he actually is impossible to trade, and I'm not sure why people are so convinced that GMs value this player the same way most of us do on this board.

Likely any Anderson trade would require a similar contract coming back. So a guy much like him value wise. Makes no sense for the Habs to make such a deal. Anderson fits with their rebuild as a tough guy to help protect the youth.

 

[Tetragrammaton]

Anderson scores his 21st!

#RoadTo25+

 

[Halakitlikethat]

He’s gonna score 25 goals. He’s not a camp dump and Habs will not have to pay assets to trade him. They don’t even have to trade him.

 

[TBF1972]

Petry-Matheson has been fantastic for Montreal

the result for montreal can be very positive. but ahead of the trade, obviously also some hyperbole involved and dependent short term results, some pinguins fans here considered matheson a cap dump. it was basically a change of scenery trade for two struggling dman. pittsburgh took the more experienced rhd with higher aav and shorter term. montreal took a flyer on matheson, who was much better with florida than pittsburgh.

but i really doubt the trade value for matheson was a first at the time of the trade.

 

[Kshahdoo]

He’s gonna score 25 goals. He’s not a camp dump and Habs will not have to pay assets to trade him. They don’t even have to trade him.

25 goal 0.5 PPG scorer for 5.5M for next 4 years? Can't say it's a great deal.

 

[ole ole]

I think if Montreal retained 50% of his contract. Like Chicago did in the McCabe deal, he could pull in a 1st.

But lets be real here. No [ good GM ] would be stupid enough to trade a 1st for
McCabe retained or not.

 

[ole ole]

Hahaha settle down bud was a joke, as for anderson, only Montreal has a fetish for 45 point players with long term contracts. No need for a trade already a match made in heaven.

Ye we seem to really like our 25 goal scoring tough guys.

 

[jfhabs]

the result for montreal can be very positive. but ahead of the trade, obviously also some hyperbole involved and dependent short term results, some pinguins fans here considered matheson a cap dump. it was basically a change of scenery trade for two struggling dman. pittsburgh took the more experienced rhd with higher aav and shorter term. montreal took a flyer on matheson, who was much better with florida than pittsburgh.

but i really doubt the trade value for matheson was a first at the time of the trade.

Oh no it wasn't. I think we could've got a 1st for Petry, IF we retain 1-2M. Even tho he was still a legit top4 defenseman, he's old and signed multiple years to a high aav.

25 goal 0.5 PPG scorer for 5.5M for next 4 years? Can't say it's a great deal.

It helps to watch games as oppose to stats sheets

 

[Guffman]

Anderson our best player last night. With goal and assist, led team in hits. Against Cup champs.

That’s pretty funny considering you got drubbed 8-4 lol.

 

[Guffman]

I think Anderson's trade value is much better in 2 years when the cap is much higher and he has 2 years left.

Sure, less years on a bad contract should make it easier to dispose of, right?

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

the result for montreal can be very positive. but ahead of the trade, obviously also some hyperbole involved and dependent short term results, some pinguins fans here considered matheson a cap dump. it was basically a change of scenery trade for two struggling dman. pittsburgh took the more experienced rhd with higher aav and shorter term. montreal took a flyer on matheson, who was much better with florida than pittsburgh.

but i really doubt the trade value for matheson was a first at the time of the trade.

wait wasnt it the opposite ass with Florida but good with the Pens? and Hughes said Pittsburgh didnt wanna give Matheson in a trade for Petry they wanted to give us another def i think Petterson but Kent insisted on Mike

 

[Tripledeke333]

Everyone in here is correct in saying that he's overpaid and should be impossible to trade. That doesn't mean he actually is impossible to trade, and I'm not sure why people are so convinced that GMs value this player the same way most of us do on this board.

Not sure how anyone thinks he is overpaid. He is fairly paid. He has consistently put up goals on garbage teams. He is a unique player that is tough to play against with size, and size is very valuable in the playoffs.

Anderson makes about the same as Lehkonen, and even though Lehkonen worked out well with the Avs, I think Anderson is better.

I get it is tough for contenders to get under the cap. But IMO Anderson earns his salary.

 

[Guffman]

Not sure how anyone thinks he is overpaid. He is fairly paid. He has consistently put up goals on garbage teams. He is a unique player that is tough to play against with size, and size is very valuable in the playoffs.

Anderson makes about the same as Lehkonen, and even though Lehkonen worked out well with the Avs, I think Anderson is better.

I get it is tough for contenders to get under the cap. But IMO Anderson earns his salary.

30 points in 66 games for a team that won’t sniff the playoffs for awhile. What a waste.

Would a serious contender want to devote $5.5 AAV for four more years on a player that will soon be in his 30s?

Honestly, no point for Habs to keep him. You just need to figure out timing of trading him and what you want to retain to maximize trade comp.

 

[QCNords]

Anderson is going nowhere.

Next year:
Gone: Drouin, Byron, Tierney.
Try to trade this summer: Dvorak, Hoffman.
Untradeable: Armia, Gallagher.

Habs need Anderson.

Slafkovsky - Suzuki - Caufield
Farrell - Dach - Anderson
Armia - Monahan - Gallagher
RHP - Evans - Richard

 

[Captain Mountain]

the result for montreal can be very positive. but ahead of the trade, obviously also some hyperbole involved and dependent short term results, some pinguins fans here considered matheson a cap dump. it was basically a change of scenery trade for two struggling dman. pittsburgh took the more experienced rhd with higher aav and shorter term. montreal took a flyer on matheson, who was much better with florida than pittsburgh.

but i really doubt the trade value for matheson was a first at the time of the trade.

I'm not sure I understand any of what you're saying here.

-Some Penguins fans may have considered Matheson a cap dump. Some Habs fans considered Petry a cap dump.

-Matheson wasn't even struggling in Pittsburgh, and was absolutely better in Pittsburgh than he was in Florida. He's always been a great skater who's always scored at a high rate. In Florida he got opportunities, but trended down to the point that he was being used as more of depth D-man (4-6) with pretty bad underlying numbers on a player friendly contract that. The reaction to the Matheson-Hornqvist trade was that Florida fleeced Pittsburgh. In Pittsburgh, Matheson was a clearer middle-pair D-man who in particular was very effective at ES. In Montreal, Matheson has seen his minutes go way up and his defensive impacts take a hit, but apart from that he's basically what he was in Pittsburgh.

-People have to stop basing trade value of players only on picks. Just because its has consistent value, does not mean teams always use it as currency.

It was reported by insiders that Montreal's GM was looking to get younger and cheaper at D in a Petry. A lot of fans assumed he was looking for a RD and that he wanted a worse D-man, but also draft capital. But Matheson fits what the reported ask was. Montreal got a younger and cheaper D (who plays a similar style), Pittsburgh got less term, playoff experience and a right shot. Almost a year in and I think both players are performing to the level that one would expect. Pittsburgh's issue on D this season is that they went from 5 good D-men to 3 because they swapped two good D (Marino and Matheson) for one good D (Petry) and Dumoulin's game has fallen off hard this season.

 

[VanP]

Anderson is going nowhere.

Next year:
Gone: Drouin, Byron, Tierney.
Try to trade this summer: Dvorak, Hoffman.
Untradeable: Armia, Gallagher.

Habs need Anderson.

Slafkovsky - Suzuki - Caufield
Farrell - Dach - Anderson
Armia - Monahan - Gallagher
RHP - Evans - Richard

Monahan???…expiring contract july 1st…..no one will give Monahan a new deal….always hurt….even hurt himself in rehab!

 

[Homesick]

I like Hollands idea to try a pump and dump with Anderson but I'm guessing he only wanted to trade a 2nd and Puljujarvi/Yamamoto for Anderson @50% retained.

 

[japhi]

I'm not sure why people are so convinced that GMs value this player the same way most of us do on this board.

Because evidence. GM's have been overpaying for these types of players forever. Do I reallt need to list all the trades that GM's have made for grit?

A better question would be,...how do people that follow hockey not see the trend that has Anderson being valued significantly higher then his cred on these boards? Are we really arguing about the value of a giant, fast, 20g scorer that can fight? Is it really debatable as to whether GM's value a guy like this, even if his contract is 1MM more then we would like?

That is where this thread loses me, I mean come on, this has to be common knowledge.

 

[HuGort]

That’s pretty funny considering you got drubbed 8-4 lol.

Anderson only guy who showed up to play

 

[Habs Halifax]

Sure, less years on a bad contract should make it easier to dispose of, right?

Except it's not a bad contract. You're stretching it cause it's not a value contract. Truth is in the middle in this case.