Proposal: Jordan Staal to the Blues

[sheriff bart]

There is a reason from a value perspective and that's 3 years of Jordan's prime years have passed. He's worth less now than he was at 25. That isn't to say Carolina shouldn't ask for those assets, just that they won't get them.

And since the Canes aren't trying to move him, no problem.

 

[bleedgreen]

"worth less than he was at 25." When he's 27.

"near the end of his prime." When he's 27.

Never change hf. Never change.

 

[Shady Machine]

"worth less than he was at 25." When he's 27.

"near the end of his prime." When he's 27.

Never change hf. Never change.

Those 2 statements are quite different. I didn't say he was worth less as a player for a hockey team at 27. I said he is worth less in a trade and he is. When the Pens traded him he was a 3rd line center putting up close to 50 points and the thought was there was a lot of untapped upside. Carolina paid for that upside and while they got a very valuable player, he hasn't turned out to be a top 6 two way stud like they were hoping.

As such, if Carolina were to trade him, they are trading what he is (a 2nd line 2 way center that puts up 50ish points and is great defensively, but hasn't put up the additional points that many thought was there) not what people thought he could be.

He's still worth a lot in a trade, but not Sutter, top 10 pick, good D prospect.

Having said all that, Carolina doesn't want to trade him and wouldn't trade him unless they received a premium that isn't out there, especially not from the Blues.

 

[sheriff bart]

"worth less than he was at 25." When he's 27.

"near the end of his prime." When he's 27.

Never change hf. Never change.

It is a very small window of desirability. I guess the sweet spot is a one year contract at 26.

 

[NotOpie]

Having said all that, Carolina doesn't want to trade him and wouldn't trade him unless they received a premium that isn't out there, especially not from the Blues.

Hitting the proverbial nail on the head. His defense, leadership, possession, blended with a solid, if unspectacular contribution makes him a critical keystone to the Canes. The Blues apparently already have one or two of these types of guys, so I don't see a deal to be had here either.

 

[KirkOut]

I would have to imagine that the Blues have less than zero interest in Jordan Staal at this time

 

[tarheelhockey]

He's still worth a lot in a trade, but not Sutter, top 10 pick, good D prospect.

I dunno... Sutter turned out not to have the upside people expected either. Much like Jordan he was supposed to develop an offensive upside and become either a decent 2C or a really high-end 3C. But his sophomore season is still his highwater mark for scoring. He was Jordan Staal lite at the time, now he seems to be Jordan Staal lite lite.

I'm not saying Vancouver would agree to this, but if they came to us offering a 1st, a solid defensive prospect (which is how Dumoulin was viewed before the Cup run hyped him up) and Sutter, that would not seem like a strange offer to me.

 

[GoldiFox]

Blues have less than zero interest in Jordan Staal just like the Hurricanes have less than zero interest in Shattenkirk. It's an expensive piece with an undesirable contract (too long or short for receiving team needs) in a position of relative strength.

 

[KirkOut]

Blues have less than zero interest in Jordan Staal just like the Hurricanes have less than zero interest in Shattenkirk. It's an expensive piece with an undesirable contract (too long or short for receiving team needs) in a position of relative strength.

Sorry I'm confused. This is the first mention of Shattenkirk in a thread about JStaal. What exactly is the point of this post?

 

[GoldiFox]

Sorry I'm confused. This is the first mention of Shattenkirk in a thread about JStaal. What exactly is the point of this post?

For a frame of reference to both fanbases? It is essentially a perfect coupling. Blues fans not wanting to pay the price it would take to obtain Jordan Saal doesn't make Staal a bad player. It just means that they have no need to pay the price, it is not desirable to them.

In the exact same way Canes fans would balk at the necessary price for Shattenkirk. That doesn't make Shattenkirk any worse, it just means that the Canes have no need to pay the price it would take. Shattenkirk is an undesirable piece to the Canes due to the price, which is wholely separate from his value.

Canes don't need an upgrade to their 2nd pairing and the Blues don't need an upgrade to their 2nd line.

What it also means is that we can close this down. No Canes fans are interested in dealing Staal without an offensive upgrade coming back. That isn't happening in a deal with the Blues.

 

[Shady Machine]

I dunno... Sutter turned out not to have the upside people expected either. Much like Jordan he was supposed to develop an offensive upside and become either a decent 2C or a really high-end 3C. But his sophomore season is still his highwater mark for scoring. He was Jordan Staal lite at the time, now he seems to be Jordan Staal lite lite.

I'm not saying Vancouver would agree to this, but if they came to us offering a 1st, a solid defensive prospect (which is how Dumoulin was viewed before the Cup run hyped him up) and Sutter, that would not seem like a strange offer to me.

Yeah that doesn't seem entirely unreasonable, but that's not really the same package.

Sutter is worth less now in a trade than he was then and the 1st wouldn't be a top 10 pick.

Fair points though, based on what I was responding to earlier. I guess it depends on who the 3C and prospect are, as well as the expected value of the 1st.