Player Discussion Jordan Harris part 2

[McGees]

 

[RealityHurts]

His heart just dont seem to be into it anymore. He got hurt, the moment is good to shut him down. Wideman is showing some heart, he's better than Petry on the PP too.

What do you mean? Tank commander Petry might net us our long awaited 1st overall pick. Long live Petry. Did what no Habs player in recent memory could. A truly great difference-making achievement.

 

[Tetragrammaton]

Let’s see what he can do

They should shut down Petry and see gives Harris an audition for next year, to see where he stands in comparison to Guhle and Barron, and if he needs AHL time or not.

A rotation of Harris and Barron, handful of games for each. Enough time to let them play 6-7 games each.

Romanov - Savard
Edmundson - Harris/Barron
Schuneman - Wideman

Can’t shut down Petry he’s being showcased and will be traded in the off season or at worst next trade deadline. He has to play his best to facilitate a trade and fetch us the maximum return possible.

 

[Brodeur]

Why is it only a 2 year ELC for Harris? Since he's 21 isn't he required to sign a 3 year ELC? I noticed why searching about ELC contract age that Vegas recently signed NCAA goalie Isaiah Saville who's also 21 to a 3 year ELC.

It's kinda goofy, but it's because of how age is defined in the CBA:

9.2 Age of Players. As used in this Article, "age," including "First SPC Signing Age," means a Player's age on September 15 of the calendar year in which he signs an SPC, regardless of his actual age on the date he signs such SPC.

Saville doesn't turn 22 until September 21st whereas Harris will be 22 in July. So the CBA considers Harris 22 even if he isn't actually 22 yet.

 

[De Montreal]

Let’s see what he can do

Can’t shut down Petry he’s being showcased and will be traded in the off season or at worst next trade deadline. He has to play his best to facilitate a trade and fetch us the maximum return possible.

Petry is a well known commodity, he's a 10+ year veteran in the league. Every GM know exactly what they would get in Petry, a few meaningless games won't change anything really...

 

[Runner77]

Well, that’s interesting.

 

[FormerLurker]

So its a 2year contract and him playing this year burns a year which would make him a UFA next summer?

Thats horrible his he really banking on making an impact so quickly to get paid has a ufa

Not sure if it will be a 2 or 3 year contract, but he won't be UFA when it expires, he'll be RFA.

 

[lamp9post]

So its a 2year contract and him playing this year burns a year which would make him a UFA next summer?

Thats horrible his he really banking on making an impact so quickly to get paid has a ufa

He would be RFA at the end of his ELC, would he not?

 

[Brodeur]

Not sure if it will be a 2 or 3 year contract, but he won't be UFA when it expires, he'll be RFA.

Sounds like it'll be a two year ELC that'll start this season. He'd be RFA next summer, but would not have the ability to sign an offer sheet (section 10.2(c) of CBA).

2021-22: Year 1 ELC
2022-23: Year 2 ELC
2023-24: RFA

 

[Crusher117]

Sounds like it'll be a two year ELC that'll start this season. He'd be RFA next summer, but would not have the ability to sign an offer sheet (section 10.2(c) of CBA).

2021-22: Year 1 ELC
2022-23: Year 2 ELC
2023-24: RFA

If this is the case, then that's a decent compromise to convince him to sign with us. Official announcement should be in a day or two.

 

[TomKosto]

Does he have that much offensive upside? Numbers don't look that good this year. Seems tu have good skating habilities which is good. Gonna be interesting watching him this year with that Habs along with Baron. Our D gonna be good it a couple years if some of our prospects don't bust.

 

[lamp9post]

They should shut down Petry and see gives Harris an audition for next year, to see where he stands in comparison to Guhle and Barron, and if he needs AHL time or not.

A rotation of Harris and Barron, handful of games for each. Enough time to let them play 6-7 games each.

Romanov - Savard
Edmundson - Harris/Barron
Schuneman - Wideman

Not sure that would be a good idea for Petry's trade value, but I agree with giving Barron and Harris some games. And we wouldn't need to shut Petry down to do it as there are plenty of options for rotating them in.

 

[Deam78]

Interesting that Pesce is in the top 5 of comps for Harris, I've always liked that comparison for the role and upside Harris could have for the Habs in the future if he develops well.

 

[Chainshot]

Does he have that much offensive upside? Numbers don't look that good this year. Seems tu have good skating habilities which is good. Gonna be interesting watching him this year with that Habs along with Baron. Our D gonna be good it a couple years if some of our prospects don't bust.

He walks the line well and finds the open man, jumps into openings in the offensive zone to create space for himself and others, and has a pretty good shot IMO. The issue is that his team is frequently just pinned in their own zone for long periods of time (not necessarily any fault of his) and it's hard to score from your own end of the rink.

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

He would be RFA at the end of his ELC, would he not?

ohh didnt know that my mistake

 

[lamp9post]

Interesting that Pesce is in the top 5 of comps for Harris, I've always liked that comparison for the role and upside Harris could have for the Habs in the future if he develops well.

I believe these are statistical comparables from the same point in the respective player's development, and not stylistic comparisons. But yeah, that would be a great outcome if Harris could have that level of impact.

 

[Deam78]

I believe these are statistical comparables from the same point in the respective player's development, and not stylistic comparisons. But yeah, that would be a great outcome if Harris could have that level of impact.

Yes, I know, that's why I thought it was interesting that the stats point to Pesce as a comparable since that's who I've liked myself as a potential role and impact comparison.

 

[sampollock]

SIGN him, get him to laval for the push

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

Interesting that Pesce is in the top 5 of comps for Harris, I've always liked that comparison for the role and upside Harris could have for the Habs in the future if he develops well.

Pesce is a stupid comparison at 6'3" 206lbs. Shows how delusional stat worshippers are as they don't have the ability to understand the reasons for the numbers that they cherish.

 

[Goldenhands]

Jordan Harris s'amènera avec le CH - TVA Sports

La carrière universitaire du défenseur est officiellement terminée.

www.tvasports.ca

Officially signed. 2 yrs contract, will burn 1 if he plays 1 game with the Habs.

 

[montreal]

The only difference is a month or two worth of development with the big club/Laval with the former option

plus money, as they can give him a nice signing bonus now vs waiting till August to get paid.

Doesn't it go by birth year? I thought where he turns 22 this calendar year, he will sign a 2-year ELC. Otherwise he'd wait until summer when he turns 22.

That's what I thought but then capfriendly had Primeau listed as signing as a 19 year old, he turned 20 in August

According to his coaches and people who saw him a lot, he is a very mobile, poised and intelligent player. He is already a pro by the way he is training and approaching the game. At first , a bottom pairing. But we can expect a second pairing and PP quarterback.

yes that's his game, don't think he will be a PP QB though in the NHL, maybe 2nd pairing but I'm hoping we can find someone better for that role.

So its a 2year contract and him playing this year burns a year which would make him a UFA next summer?

Thats horrible his he really banking on making an impact so quickly to get paid has a ufa

He'll be RFA.

He would be RFA at the end of his ELC, would he not?

yes

Does he have that much offensive upside? Numbers don't look that good this year. Seems tu have good skating habilities which is good. Gonna be interesting watching him this year with that Habs along with Baron. Our D gonna be good it a couple years if some of our prospects don't bust.

That's the big question. His numbers need to put be in context this year, at one point his team had an ave goals per game of 1.7 they had 3 or 4 of their top 7 forwards out of the lineup for a while. They haven't had 2 players from their top 6 for most of the year.

Last year they had one of the best PP's in the NCAA, Harris was among the top scorers among U-20 blueliners, so does he have decent offense or was this year more a reflection of his offense, we'll find out soon enough.

 

[Deebs]

Why only 2 years?

 

[26Mats]

Petry is a well known commodity, he's a 10+ year veteran in the league. Every GM know exactly what they would get in Petry, a few meaningless games won't change anything really...

Will definitely be interesting to see what they do. If Barron and Harris show they can take a regular shift in the NHL, with Clague, that will give us 10 NHL dmen:

Romanov Savard
Edmundson Barron
Harris Petry
Schuneman Wideman
Lagesson Clague

 

[Adam Michaels]

Why only 2 years?

It goes with age when you sign. It was the same with Evans. He was signed to a 2-year ELC when he came out of college.

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

Jordan Harris s'amènera avec le CH - TVA Sports

La carrière universitaire du défenseur est officiellement terminée.

www.tvasports.ca

Officially signed. 2 yrs contract, will burn 1 if he plays 1 game with the Habs.

He hasn't signed yet