Value of: Jonathan Toews w/ no salary retention

[Taylorst]

The new gm isn't willing to move someone just to get a bad return. He stated they need to be wowed otherwise there fine with these guys finishing out there careers in Chicago... if anything I could see kane and maf getting a team friendly contract toews I don't see that happening...

 

[HandshakeLineRespect]

Does the OP really think there will be a "price" for Toews with no salary retention? The question should be what do you have to give away on top of Toews to get rid of him.

 

[hawksrule]

To Detroit
2022 Chicago's 1st round pick
Dach
Reichel
Toews (no retained salary)

To Chicago
Conditional 7th

Putting aside that we don’t have a ‘22 pick, why would we do this rather than just keep him one year and then he’s off the books. Use your noggin.

 

[Heldig]

What would CHI want in return?

WANT? In a salary capped world it will cost Chicago a 1st or more to get rid of him.

 

[DarrylshutzSydor]

JT is damaged goods.....

 

[Mrfenn92]

What would CHI want in return?

Half retention future considerations

 

[tsujimoto74]

10.5 million dollar 3C.

With no retention Chi’s gonna have to add to get rid of him.

Can’t put a price on those intangibles though. Generational StayQuietAboutSexualAssault/60

Cleveland Browns offer 2 1st-round picks

 

[Space umpire]

To Detroit
2022 Chicago's 1st round pick
Dach
Reichel
Toews (no retained salary)

To Chicago
Conditional 7th

The new GM has announced a rebuild. He sends Toews home 1st.
Do people not get that the OP is not a Hawk fan?

 

[DudeWhereIsMakar]

I think he could be traded to the Seattle Kraken which is where I see him going with no retention on Chicago's end. Would be a good leader if Giordano is traded, but the other thing too is Toews wants to win. But also, doubt he waives unless it's a contender or Winnipeg, or a team does it if they take on his whole contract.

Say Seattle, I'd imagine a 2nd comes with him and going to Chicago would likely be Mason Appleton or Ryan Donato. Or maybe a 1-for-1 of Toews for Grubauer.

 

[Space umpire]

Chicago is not adding to move him. He has a year left at a cap hit that doesn’t hurt them.

 

[Taylorst]

Zero reason for Chicago to move a prospect out, retain and end up with garbage back. They can just ride the contract out. Which they likely will.

Bingo perfectly stated. Chicago isn't in need of cap relief and as much as they would like to move kane or toews to open up spots for the kids and get back a return, they fully understand that they would have to retain salary and take on a bad contract or allow these kids to develop and learn from the veterans..

 

[Taylorst]

Simply looking at contacts, Chicago currently have 24 on the team and 47 in the minors so one would have to think Chicago probably wants high draft picks ... hypothetical kane trade would probably bring back 2 or 3 young prospects Chicago would be close to exceeding the 50 contract mark...

 

[DJJones]

If Calgary doesn't resign Gaudreau they could be interested

 

[x Tame Impala]

Negative

He's not that good and now the entire world knows he is a hall of fame asshole

Wah wah wah

 

[Jayevs]

EJ + Compher for Toews + Regula

 

[KevinRedkey]

Zero reason for Chicago to move a prospect out, retain and end up with garbage back. They can just ride the contract out. Which they likely will.

Why would they get garbage back for Toews at 25% of his cap hit?

 

[67 others]

Since Chicago is starting to rebuild I’m wondering what the price will be for Jonathan Toews with no salary retention.

With no retention is impossible.
I mean, in theory it's possible. But it would require sending him and Debrincat to a team with that much cap space lol. That leaves Arizona

Otherwise nobody touches that cap hit

 

[Taylorst]

With no retention is impossible.
I mean, in theory it's possible. But it would require sending him and Debrincat to a team with that much cap space lol. That leaves Arizona

Otherwise nobody touches that cap hit

Great point , actually the rangers have almost 29 million in cap,space...

 

[cheesymc]

Toews cap dump to Ottawa or Arizona for a 7th!

 

[RipsADrive]

Best bet is calling up Holland again.

He'll probably dump some assets without asking for retention.

 

[67 others]

Great point , actually the rangers have almost 29 million in cap,space...

Not really. Fox new deal starts next year. Takes up 8.7million more than this ELC deal at 9.5. Zibby also gets his raise next year. 3 million more at 8.5. Strome is UFA and due for a raise.

NYR isn't taking a broken down 10.5m 3rd line center with no retention.

 

[Harvey Birdman]

The only home in not getting dumps back is trading him to say Arizona who needs the salary next year. Chicago is not getting any real assets for him.

What team can even take on his salary this yr and next yr and be a cup contendor?

Good luck getting him to waive to go to Arizona.

 

[Djp]

Good luck getting him to waive to go to Arizona.

what I’m saying is what team out there can

1 take on full salary
2 he won’t block going there because it’s a playoff team.

many of the teams with cap space likely won’t have it next year

 

[Space umpire]

After his bonus is paid out...

To Ottawa:
50% of Toews's cap (5.250)
Sweetener from Chicago (Decent prospect?)

To Chicago:
Other 50% of Toews's cap (2.625)
Michael Del Zotto (Burried cap hit is 0.875)
Whatever team C gives up for Toews

To Team C:
Toews at 2.625

Ottawa saves 0.800 in real dollars, while taking on 4.375 in cap space
Chicago saves 7.000 in cap space
Team 3 gets Toews at a reasonable cap hit

Chicago doesn’t need Toews’ cap space. Chicago won’t give an asset to get it. Chicago has NO NEED for Del Zotto.

Why does a rebuilding team give up a decent prospect to move a contract that has no impact on their cap situation?

 

[KevinRedkey]

Chicago doesn’t need Toews’ cap space. Chicago won’t give an asset to get it. Chicago has NO NEED for Del Zotto.

Why does a rebuilding team give up a decent prospect to move a contract that has no impact on their cap situation?

You missed the part where Team C gives up an asset for Toews @ 25%. So unless you think that asset is worse than what it would take for Melnyk to save some pennies.. then your reply has no logic behind it.