Value of: Jonathan Toews w/ no salary retention

[Drumman44]

The only way he is moved is at the deadline next year with another team retaining on it as well. He's just not worth his contract, sorry.

 

[Taylorst]

Was just thinking along this line… only with SEA instead of OTT as the intermediary and WPG as the final destination. If Copp and Statsny get moved at the TDL.
Toews is from WPG and Chevy and he have history.
Not saying I want it to happen, but I could see it happening

Honestly toews needs to go his comments and lack of production is toxic for both parties...

 

[BatVader]

Honestly toews needs to go his comments and lack of production is toxic for both parties...

What would CHI want in return?

 

[Harvey Birdman]

But he is one of the top 100 players of all time !
Ok I’ll help myself out of this thread.

Definitely deserves to be on that list over Malkin now.

 

[Space umpire]

I agree to some degree in your statement, toews only moves if he waives his ntc , however if he becomes to toxic I could easily see Chicago make a bigger effort to move him ... his comments today seem very negative and not something that needed to be aired out to the public....

New GM, New era. If he actually becomes “toxic” send him home or to Rockford.
I don’t think Davidson would want to impact Toews legacy it I bet he won’t let him hinder the rebuild which involves a certain level of buy in from veterans.

 

[Il Stugotz]

Ever since he got his payday he hasn't even remotely came close to living up to it.

2018-20
GP=161 61G-92A-153P for a two-way center

 

[Harvey Birdman]

I can not contemplate a trade for him without retention unless Chicago were sending picks with him and taking back salary. So since they are rebuilding why would retention be out of the question? Retain to move him for at least a future asset instead of paying to move him and then taking on salary.

 

[Mrfenn92]

If he’s even movable they would retain the full half

 

[Djp]

I can not contemplate a trade for him without retention unless Chicago were sending picks with him and taking back salary. So since they are rebuilding why would retention be out of the question? Retain to move him for at least a future asset instead of paying to move him and then taking on salary.

The only home in not getting dumps back is trading him to say Arizona who needs the salary next year. Chicago is not getting any real assets for him.

What team can even take on his salary this yr and next yr and be a cup contendor?

 

[Lockin17]

I see him going to Winnipeg.

 

[BatVader]

I see him going to Winnipeg.

Sadly, I can also see this

 

[Tasteslikekevinbacon]

 

[SeanMoneyHands]

Toews at half the cap hit could be a high end #3C on a contender.

 

[BatVader]

After his bonus is paid out...

To Ottawa:
50% of Toews's cap (5.250)
Sweetener from Chicago (Decent prospect?)

To Chicago:
Other 50% of Toews's cap (2.625)
Michael Del Zotto (Burried cap hit is 0.875)
Whatever team C gives up for Toews

To Team C:
Toews at 2.625

Ottawa saves 0.800 in real dollars, while taking on 4.375 in cap space
Chicago saves 7.000 in cap space
Team 3 gets Toews at a reasonable cap hit

I see him going to Winnipeg.

Considering he’s a WPG boy and he has history with Chevy, I can see the Jets actually being a landing spot for Toews… unfortunately

CHI sends: Toews, 50% retained, (5,250,000), + ‘22 2nd to OTT
CHI gets: Vesalainen, Del Zotto

OTT sends Toews, 50% retained, (2,625,000) to WPG, Del Zotto, (2m) to CHI
OTT gets: ‘22 2nd CHI, ‘22 3rd CBJ

WPG sends: Vesalainen to CHI, ‘22 3rd CBJ to OTT
WPG Gets: Toews (2,625,000)

 

[Larry Hanson]

He'd be hard if not impossible to move at full cap hit but the people saying he couldn't be traded for 50% are nuts. His actual dollars would be less than 3.5M after retention, I can easily see a non cap team who needs a middle 6 centre picking him up for that salary. If nothing else that team could then retain again next year and move him as a rental at 2.6M cap hit. This would be a no brainer for Seattle but Francis hasn't exactly been predictable so far.

 

[gstommylee]

He has a NMC so only way he moves if he wants to go to a different team.

 

[JC0720]

He’s that bad or is it the contrac?

Yes

 

[Taylorst]

New GM, New era. If he actually becomes “toxic” send him home or to Rockford.
I don’t think Davidson would want to impact Toews legacy it I bet he won’t let him hinder the rebuild which involves a certain level of buy in from veterans.

Imo as observing toews he has been coddled far to long , I get that he is the captain and 3 cups but there comes a point where he either accepts chicago is moving on and would love for him to be apart of helping the new kids or waive his nmc and be traded. He controls his contract so either except it or ask for a trade it's really that simple..

 

[Martin Skoula]

Excited for Towes to skewer his legacy even further by being an overpaid mercenary that whines nonstop.

 

[Taylorst]

2018-20
GP=161 61G-92A-153P for a two-way center

Everybody is pointing out toews hasn't lived up to his contract, toews himself even said he needed to be and do better. @ 10.5 million a year expectations run high ...

 

[duckpuck]

Toews at half the cap hit could be a high end #3C on a contender.

I disagree with this, though I suppose you can find a "contender" with a 3C earning $5M+. That player is most likely either: (i) massively overpaid; and/or (ii) at the tale end of a bad contract, like Toews. So that would not be by choice other than perhaps a unicorn situation (like Toronto or Edmonton) where, as it turns out, the rosters and allocation of $$ are poorly balanced..

I don't think you'll find a single team (contender or not) looking to to add a 3C earning $5M+. Not one. And most contenders won't have the cap space even if they wanted to add Toews.

And at this point, is Toews a "high end" 3c? Not sure about that either, though I haven't seen him play all that much recently.

 

[Shaman464]

To Detroit
2022 Chicago's 1st round pick
Dach
Reichel
Toews (no retained salary)

To Chicago
Conditional 7th

 

[JKG33]

Toews at $10.5 has negative value.

Toews with 50% retained as a middle 6 center could be a really good fit depending on the team. Some scenarios that could be fun:

Boston moves something like Ullmark, Debrusk, Forbort, and a pick for Toews and Fleury each with 50% retained.

Winnipeg finally realizes their leadership is garbage. They trade Wheeler and Scheifele to a different team, make Dubois the 1C and then make a move for Toews. They could actually afford him at full cap hit depending on the returns for the other two. But I can't see Toews co-existing with that current leadership in Winnipeg.

Colorado could make some sense as well. They've got a whole 2nd line to sign, he'd be a nice 2C there with some cup experience at 50%.

Calgary, Toews @ 50% for Monahan?

 

[me2]

Can't see it as possible without retention unless an equally awful contact is going back to Chicago.

IMHO Toews could bounce back 50+ point form next year, at 50% he's worth taking a gamble on if he's motivated (on a good playoff team).

Toews (50%) for another teams cap dump would bring back assets for Chicago.

 

[DingDongCharlie]

After his bonus is paid out...

To Ottawa:
50% of Toews's cap (5.250)
Sweetener from Chicago (Decent prospect?)

To Chicago:
Other 50% of Toews's cap (2.625)
Michael Del Zotto (Burried cap hit is 0.875)
Whatever team C gives up for Toews

To Team C:
Toews at 2.625

Ottawa saves 0.800 in real dollars, while taking on 4.375 in cap space
Chicago saves 7.000 in cap space
Team 3 gets Toews at a reasonable cap hit

Zero reason for Chicago to move a prospect out, retain and end up with garbage back. They can just ride the contract out. Which they likely will.