Jonathan Quick - 1 win in past 9 starts

[Cult of Hynes]

Boston was icing 3 most times 4 rookie defenseman the year Rask won the Vezina. Also the cup is the most subjective argument as to why a goalie is better i could easily spin it as Quick having no olympic medals as a starter for team usa

Rask has a medal for team finland which had nothing besides Teemu

No it isnt the most subjective, especially when he was a big reason they won a cup in the first place.

Seriously? Roy played in a much higher scoring era so of course you'd expect Quick's stats to be higher.

Not really, Roy also had 6 hall of famers play with him through out his career to help out his stats like wins etc. Double standard? You cant change the criteria just because you dont like the outcome.

Good point. Sadly, there's so much confirmation bias going on here that what you said probably won't matter. Performing in clutch games like playoffs or single elimination olympic games only matters if it's your goalie who is doing it. Likewise, regular season results are important only if your goalie is great in the regular season. The same guys who are trying to make it look like LA is an awful team and Quick is carrying them are trying to make an awful Boston team appear awesome just so that Rask would look bad in comparison. It's sad.

Quick played on a team that mailed it in, or did you forgot how well he played against a dominant Canadian team? Oh no, because Rask played on a team that beat Quick (one of the few players that showed up that game while everyone else was looking like they were going through the motions) you and the other guy think it means Rask is better. It doesnt, the Finns had a really good over looked team. Rask chokes in big games in the NHL, he has done it the 3 years he is the starter. Lets see how he does this year. Maybe he can change that.


An awful Boston team? what? Boston is still a solid team, but it is evident that Rask is only as good as the team in front of him, so when they were struggling, he was as well.

 

[metalan2]

Quick is the anti-Fleury. Mediocre to bad regular season, spectacular, epic post season.

 

[Frank Drebin]

+ 2013 + 2014 (when he had to overcome a horrific start but made key saves and won all three game 7s). I just wished the Kings had either Rinne or Price instead of Quick..

Martin Brodeur had a SV% of + .920 just three times in his career. That had a reason.

Only on the Kings does a guy even get the chance to dig himself out of that hole he dug. Sure he played great after, but his team bailed him out of that first series, big time.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Only on the Kings does a guy even get the chance to dig himself out of that hole he dug. Sure he played great after, but his team bailed him out of that first series, big time.

He posted a .963 over the last few games of that series as the Kings only allowed 5 total goals. And the Sharks got 39, 30, 26, and 40 shots on goal so let's calm down the passenger inference.

This is exactly what I'm talking about--gets blamed for team failures, gets no credit when he's a big part of their success.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

He posted a .963 over the last few games of that series as the Kings only allowed 5 total goals. And the Sharks got 39, 30, 26, and 40 shots on goal so let's calm down the passenger inference.

This is exactly what I'm talking about--gets blamed for team failures, gets no credit when he's a big part of their success.

I guess holding the fort in 3 of 4 OT periods where his team was also shorthanded twice in sudden death in Game 5 of the SCF should not be credited to Quick either.

But hey, if Carey Price did that, he's the best ever!

 

[Frank Drebin]

I guess holding the fort in 3 of 4 OT periods where his team was also shorthanded twice in sudden death in Game 5 of the SCF should not be credited to Quick either.

But hey, if Carey Price did that, he's the best ever!

If Carey Price played like Quick did the first three games, Habs would be done in 4 or 5 games, regardless how much he turned his play around in those two games. Same goes for probably 28/30 starters (I think the Hawks could bail Crawford out too)

Quick had the benefit of playing behind an elite team that (along with himself) could pull themselves out of an 0-3 deficit.

Surely you realize this. Its not even meant as a slight against Quick, but he does benefit from playing behind the Kings.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

If Carey Price played like Quick did the first three games, Habs would be done in 4 or 5 games, regardless how much he turned his play around in those two games. Same goes for probably 28/30 starters (I think the Hawks could bail Crawford out too)

Quick had the benefit of playing behind an elite team that (along with himself) could pull themselves out of an 0-3 deficit.

Surely you realize this. Its not even meant as a slight against Quick, but he does benefit from playing behind the Kings.

Of course it takes a special team to do that but 5 goals against in 4 games has SOMETHING to do with the goalie no matter how little or how much you're trying to minimize it. ESPECIALLY after giving up seventeen goals in the first three games...remember his demeanor after getting lit up? Shook it off and went to work. That's what he does.

 

[Habitant#1]

Put Price on the Hawks and/or Kings and you have yourself an actual dynasty, with back to back cup wins.

 

[Saul Goodman66*]

Quick is just preserving himself for when they take on Anaheim in the playoffs.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Put Price on the Hawks and/or Kings and you have yourself an actual dynasty, with back to back cup wins.

Yeahhhh it doesn't work like that.

 

[Daximus]

Let's get one thing clear right now among active goaltenders in the NHL Rask is the best that is beyond undisputible based not only on individual stats but also advanced average stats like GSAA. I hate boston but Rask is on an entirely different level during the regular season than any other goalie in this league.

 

[CanadienShark]

The Kings are sucking in the regular season... big surprise.

We all know they'll scrape into the playoffs and tear everyone else apart. I've had enough of that team. Fold already.

 

[Frank Drebin]

Of course it takes a special team to do that but 5 goals against in 4 games has SOMETHING to do with the goalie no matter how little or how much you're trying to minimize it. ESPECIALLY after giving up seventeen goals in the first three games...remember his demeanor after getting lit up? Shook it off and went to work. That's what he does.

I'm not trying to minimize it. He was great (all time great) in games 4-7.

I'm saying the only reason that Quick had a chance to bounce back after 3 terrible starts was because of the team in front of him. If LA had an inept offense maybe they lose in game 4 2-1 off a bad bounce.

28 other goalies in the league wouldn't have the luxury of bouncing back after digging an 0-3 hole, no matter how good they played in games 4 or 5.

 

[CanadienShark]

Thanks to the team in front of him. He is a product of a healthy team in front of him. He has not won a cup, let alone two like Quick, and he has choked away 3 playoffs for the Bruins. 2010 against the Flyers while being up 3-0. He choked away a stanley cup in 17 seconds 2013, he choked away last years playoffs against an inferior Montreal Canadiens team. How is he not overrated? Because he has a high save percentage when he plays on an incredibly talented and defensive powerhouse like the Bruins? Look at how he looked earlier this year when the team was missing Chara and Krecji. He is overrated. Still a good goalie, but no where near as good as he is claimed to be.

Yet people are quick to jump on Quick for being overrated when he is having a bad year and the team is not the same it was before? He has two rings and a playoff track record to prove otherwise. Rask does not.

Quick proved he can carry a team in 2011-2012 and did so in the playoffs as well hence why he won a Conn Smyth. The next year he was good in the playoffs as well. Last year he had a bad one, but when he put it together the team was able to win games unlike when he was playing like utter garbage.

Lol @ the "inferior MTL" team comment. MTL was, and is not inferior, contrary to the HF hivemind. And FWIW, the Habs have the Bruins number, so I don't see why you'd pin a game 7 loss on Rask as a "choke." If anything, pin it on the team. You seem to think that a team loss = goalie choking, which is an asinine view.

 

[sjci]

weak

 

[LA_Viking]

Stats say little to nothing about a player like Quick. Anyone with half a brain that's watched the last three seasons of Kings playoff hockey should be able to see that. He's a big reason that they've won 2 SC's in the past 3 seasons.

In the end, hockey is a team sport and is won with all the players on the ice contributing. Otherwise 'elite' goalies like Rask and Price would have already won a cup.

 

[Cult of Hynes]

Let's get one thing clear right now among active goaltenders in the NHL Rask is the best that is beyond undisputible based not only on individual stats but also advanced average stats like GSAA. I hate boston but Rask is on an entirely different level during the regular season than any other goalie in this league.

Nah, he isnt the best among active goalies in the NHL, Price and Rinne both still play in the NHL. Rask looked pretty ****** until Chara and Krejci came back. Price plays with a team that is no where near as good defensively as the Bruins. Rinne is a Hart caliber goalie. BTW, Chad Johnson put up good numbers in front of that Boston team, that is enough proof for me that Rask has his stats helped out with the team in front of him more than you would care to admit.

 

[Cult of Hynes]

Lol @ the "inferior MTL" team comment. MTL was, and is not inferior, contrary to the HF hivemind. And FWIW, the Habs have the Bruins number, so I don't see why you'd pin a game 7 loss on Rask as a "choke." If anything, pin it on the team. You seem to think that a team loss = goalie choking, which is an asinine view.

The Bruins had the president trophy. Dont get bent out of shape because I am saying the truth. The Bruins were a better team last year and they got out played. Rask is a choker. He choked away a 3-0 series lead, a stanley cup, and has been lit up by the Habs int he regular season, and playoffs.

I dont think a team loss is a goalie choking, but when the goalie is a big part of that team loss, yea, that is a goalie choking.

My views are not hive mind, its a fact the Bruins were better than Montreal, yes Montreal have their number, but one had the Presidents trophy, one did not.

I was pulling for Montreal the entire series, so there is no bias here.

 

[damacles1156]

This type of thread even popped up in 2012....You think people would learn by now; that Quick is not going to put up elite numbers in the regular season.

Since 2012 Quick has been a monster when the Kings need it most, in the playoff's .

 

[Ducks in a row]

And now he got a win

 

[KingClipper]

Put Price on the Hawks and/or Kings and you have yourself an actual dynasty, with back to back cup wins.

I wouldn't want any other goalie but Quick come playoff time. Not Price, definitely not Rask.

 

[sharski]

will bump thread when he gets 16 wins in the playoffs with a .950 save percentage

 

[BigKing]

Almost always Eastern Conference folks that rag on him in these threads with his "victims" almost never bashing him.

All you need to know.

 

[Frolov 6'3]

It's funny to see a dozen guys arguing this subject, and every single one using different criteria as to what an elite goalie is. Some here say Quick's won two cups and that's all that matters. By that definition goalies like Chris Osgood are great. Afterall they start playoff games and win cups.

On the other hand some say his SV% doesn't matter because he steps it up in the playoffs. To these people it doesn't matter you're below average almost every single regular season, because you've had two great playoff runs for the most dominant team in the league. Likewise they attack goalies like Rask who have the highest career save percentage of all time in the NHL and say regular season doesn't matter and that it's because of playing behind such a good team. It's as if Quick or Crawford winning cups wouldn't be because they're playing behind such amazing teams. Would they win cups in Winnipeg or Florida? How about St. Louis or Nashville? I'm trying to imagine Quick or Crawford in San Jose or St. Louis and I can't see either of those teams becoming any more succesful in the post season, despite acquiring these proven cup winning playoff performers to their roster.

Every goalie is a product of their system. The differences between the goalies in the NHL are really small. The whole discussion about elite goalies is farcical. Every year someone is declared to be so far above everyone else that it's unreal, and the next year this forum decides that he's been overrated all along. It's happened to Price, Rask, Rinne and multiple others. Even the 'always elite no matter what kind of garbage stretch he's on' Lundqvist has gotten heat for not winning cups. Once again, as if Quick or Crawford would've won any cups or Conn Smythes playing for the Rangers instead of Hank.

You make some points I certainly agree with.

Yet you downgrade Quick, just to pimp your own countrymen.

.914 / .915 / .918 are not below average numbers either. In that case check his GAA as well. Low GAA and above average SV% is often a result of a good team/great defense/low SA/G totals. Heck, I even think a .907 SV% is not bad if you almost play the full season. That's why I respect Kiprusoff a lot and certainly dont look at SV% alone.

Osgood and Quick are abolutely no comparables. If you watch hockey, anybody should know that.

No sorry, you could have done a better job by leaving out Rinne and Rask. Now it smells homerism.

 

[vippe]

Now 2 wins! woohoo