Jonathan Quick - 1 win in past 9 starts

BusQuets

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a few things with this post. Rask is pretty much the same type of goalie people say Quick is, a goalie that benefits from the team in front of him. He doesnt have a cup (yea he was on the team, he didnt win it for the team like Quick) let alone 2 and a conn smyth. He has a vezina that shouldnt have gone to him, it should have gone to either Price or Varlamov.

Rinne and Lundqvist dont have cups like Quick does. Quick didnt have a hot streak in the playoffs, that whole year he was playing on an elite level and was a big reason that team made the playoffs. z

I don't know.. I have always found Boston's defense awfully overrated. Everytime my team plays against them Rask has to make many prime chance saves. Cup argument is pretty bad tbh.. Toffoli is not better player than Ovechkin. You could argue that Rask deserved the Conn smythe 2013.

Also last time Quick and Rask faced on the highest level of hockey in Olympics Rask shutdown the USA in front of him very weak finnish defense. Quick let 5 goals on that game. Not that impressed by him.
 

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People keep mentioning his 2012 Conn Smythe which he was good when called upon but he was even better in 2013. He didn't have to be great in 2012 because of how dominant the Kings were. The Conn Smythe could have easily went to Brown, Doughty, or Kopitar. Quick was the only reason the Kings made the 2013 Conference finals.
 

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Also last time Quick and Rask faced on the highest level of hockey in Olympics Rask shutdown the USA in front of him very weak finnish defense. Quick let 5 goals on that game. Not that impressed by him.
Good point. Sadly, there's so much confirmation bias going on here that what you said probably won't matter. Performing in clutch games like playoffs or single elimination olympic games only matters if it's your goalie who is doing it. Likewise, regular season results are important only if your goalie is great in the regular season. The same guys who are trying to make it look like LA is an awful team and Quick is carrying them are trying to make an awful Boston team appear awesome just so that Rask would look bad in comparison. It's sad.
 

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It's funny to see a dozen guys arguing this subject, and every single one using different criteria as to what an elite goalie is. Some here say Quick's won two cups and that's all that matters. By that definition goalies like Chris Osgood are great. Afterall they start playoff games and win cups.

On the other hand some say his SV% doesn't matter because he steps it up in the playoffs. To these people it doesn't matter you're below average almost every single regular season, because you've had two great playoff runs for the most dominant team in the league. Likewise they attack goalies like Rask who have the highest career save percentage of all time in the NHL and say regular season doesn't matter and that it's because of playing behind such a good team. It's as if Quick or Crawford winning cups wouldn't be because they're playing behind such amazing teams. Would they win cups in Winnipeg or Florida? How about St. Louis or Nashville? I'm trying to imagine Quick or Crawford in San Jose or St. Louis and I can't see either of those teams becoming any more succesful in the post season, despite acquiring these proven cup winning playoff performers to their roster.

Every goalie is a product of their system. The differences between the goalies in the NHL are really small. The whole discussion about elite goalies is farcical. Every year someone is declared to be so far above everyone else that it's unreal, and the next year this forum decides that he's been overrated all along. It's happened to Price, Rask, Rinne and multiple others. Even the 'always elite no matter what kind of garbage stretch he's on' Lundqvist has gotten heat for not winning cups. Once again, as if Quick or Crawford would've won any cups or Conn Smythes playing for the Rangers instead of Hank.

I completely agree with your last paragraph.
 

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Good point. Sadly, there's so much confirmation bias going on here that what you said probably won't matter. Performing in clutch games like playoffs or single elimination olympic games only matters if it's your goalie who is doing it. Likewise, regular season results are important only if your goalie is great in the regular season. The same guys who are trying to make it look like LA is an awful team and Quick is carrying them are trying to make an awful Boston team appear awesome just so that Rask would look bad in comparison. It's sad.

This is a gross overgeneralization.

Seriously, you must not realize how awful LA was in the 2012 and 2014 regular seasons (2013 they were better but not by much). It's not confirmation bias, the data is there. And even if you want to ignore it, 'clutchness' exists, as do goalies that perform well in the playoffs relative to their regular seasons. I agree that the narrative gets spun to match a bit, but how else do you explain things?

In relation to Quick, his regular season stats could certainly stand to be better. No disagreement there and I won't fault people for holding that against him. But to ignore his body of work elsewhere because it's 'confirmation bias' is a fallacy.
 

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Kings will heat up eventually. Never count them out. Jonathan Quick will be a wall in the playoffs as usual.
 

SettlementRichie10

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Bruins have a good defense but the Kings don't? Doughty, Muzzin, Martinez are all very good. Then they have forwards like Kopitar, Carter, Richards Williams, etc. who are two-way guys.

Why yes I heard he got bumped up to the first line yesterday.
 

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I like how predictable these threads become. The value and skill of a player is a easier to see when you ask the big question... Would you trade Quick? No?

Alright then.
 

Bear of Bad News

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Oh please. T

That's your response? Oh please T?

It's not even in question that Roy and Quick have played in significantly different eras with respect to goaltending.

Quick's best (regular) season (where he was at 92.9% save percentage)? That's 2.4 standard deviations better than league average - quite good.

Roy's best (regular) season? He was *only* 91.2% save percentage; however, that's 3.8 standard deviations better than league average.

Pull out your normal distribution tables, and see how much more rare a 3.8-SD performance is than a 2.4-SD performance. And Roy had more like that.
 

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hes an average goalie living off 2 good playoff performances on an extremely strong defensive team, without those he wouldnt even be considered a top 10 goalie in the league.
 

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Seriously? Roy played in a much higher scoring era so of course you'd expect Quick's stats to be higher.

He's comparing their best seasons statistically using 2010-2011 for Quick and 2001-2002 for Roy.

2010-2011 was higher scoring than 2001-2002.
 

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He's comparing their best seasons statistically using 2010-2011 for Quick and 2001-2002 for Roy.

2010-2011 was higher scoring than 2001-2002.

Well, that's the problem - 2001-2002 wasn't Roy's best season.
 

sandysan

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It's funny, you can spin this either direction. Quick carried the team in the regular season in 2012, yet did not have "stellar numbers". I don't care what team you play on, you need your defense to help you out period. The notion that defenses carry goalies, or vice versa is stupid (not directed at you, just in general).

Also Save % should be a team stat, or it needs to be broken down into save % from different quality chances. A guy stopping 5 breakaways in a game but gives up 2 goals in 30 shots is obviously better than one who gets a shutout and stops 30 goals from outside the circles. Save % is not a useful stat at all imo.

This has ZERO to do with sv%, it's a repudiation in the strongest terns allowable that price plays behind a food defense.

That's a lie right now much less that he's played behind this mythological hood defense " for a long time". We, unlike the other goalies mentioned routinely get outshot AND outplayed. And not by a little.

I like quick, I respect what he's done and expect him to ramp it up in the playoffs. But not so much to accept complete lies like price might be performing the way he is because if Montreal's " good defense"
 

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hes an average goalie living off 2 good playoff performances on an extremely strong defensive team, without those he wouldnt even be considered a top 10 goalie in the league.

Well, at least we've moved the myth to TWO good playoffs. Progress!

Hmm he sucks at offense, but he is still a pretty smart defensive player

Wrong again. worst GA/60 on the Kings by nearly a full goal and it also doesn't pass the eye test.
 

Party Kane

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How come he's never that great in the regular season?

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His last seven seasons.

That's quite a few average to below average save %'s for an "elite" goaltender.

He was never Elite, always been overrated, living off of team accomplishments and one good playoff run
 

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