Going to cut the conversation off here since the previous post is so silly. No reason to continue the dialogue and make a thread about Lekkerimaki about something entirely.
Prospect Info: Jonathan Lekkerimaki - Orebro, SHL
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God let it go guys. Its shit like this that makes this board so Frcking annoying. A player starts playing well and we have to go shit all over each other for no reason? The Benning era is over but some of us seem to be longing for the posting quality of that time.
Thank you.
RobertKron
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To be fair, it's like one person. One person making like 5000 posts, but still.
I agree , let’s enjoy that he is going to have a really good season health permitting and the Benning ERA is over and our last two drafts finding players in the later rounds is solid proof this is a new beginning and we are even signing college kids too .
Enough of the nonsense and lets praise and get excited about a potential sniper for us in the future
Enough of the nonsense and lets praise and get excited about a potential sniper for us in the future
Yeah it usually is. I'd be in favour of a suspension for people who tank threads like that.
sting101
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Wow what a weird last page? Is this the time i admit to wanting Kulich and Yurov ahead of Lekkerimaki?
Like geeesh ....he was terrible last year (until the playoffs) not many wanted another small winger and then to top it off he looked listless weak and brutal in puck battles and ended up getting benched in the U20s and Allvenskan.
It was incredibly frustrating on top of the NHL teams shit show to have the only 1st rounder we had since 2019 looking like a dud. If some guys hurt his or your feelings build a bridge and get over it.
Thankfully he's looking legit again. Hope it works out
Like geeesh ....he was terrible last year (until the playoffs) not many wanted another small winger and then to top it off he looked listless weak and brutal in puck battles and ended up getting benched in the U20s and Allvenskan.
It was incredibly frustrating on top of the NHL teams shit show to have the only 1st rounder we had since 2019 looking like a dud. If some guys hurt his or your feelings build a bridge and get over it.
Thankfully he's looking legit again. Hope it works out
When did you learn to never doubt the ability of Allvin to identify talent in Sweden?
I don't know if GMs "play dumb" in the behind the scenes video but Allvin sure didn't sound like he was the one who scouted Lekkerimaki.
GMs don’t, or shouldn’t, be the ones scouting. Campbell runs the amateur scouting department and Allvin participates and signs off but isn’t the guy doing the work.
Now if you want to use Allvin as shorthand for this Canucks scouting department, then sure. No problem with that.
Now if you want to use Allvin as shorthand for this Canucks scouting department, then sure. No problem with that.
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I actually meant Granato. She also runs development and pro scouting.
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I don't mind when people have passionate reactions to news on this message board. After all, it's a place where we can express our thoughts in the heat of the moment and share diverse opinions.
At one point, I was genuinely concerned about Lek's development, and I didn't hesitate to voice those concerns. Even though I hold a positive outlook for Willander due to his skill set and the position he plays, it's merely my perspective, and there's always a chance he might not live up to the expectations. As for the Mynio pick, I was furious at the time and still dislike it, but he could potentially become a key player on the second pairing in the future. If that happens, I'll gladly admit that I was wrong.
On the flip side, I also don't mind those who like to say, "I told you so." It's all part of the discussion, and it's great to see different viewpoints and predictions play out.
At one point, I was genuinely concerned about Lek's development, and I didn't hesitate to voice those concerns. Even though I hold a positive outlook for Willander due to his skill set and the position he plays, it's merely my perspective, and there's always a chance he might not live up to the expectations. As for the Mynio pick, I was furious at the time and still dislike it, but he could potentially become a key player on the second pairing in the future. If that happens, I'll gladly admit that I was wrong.
On the flip side, I also don't mind those who like to say, "I told you so." It's all part of the discussion, and it's great to see different viewpoints and predictions play out.
Some highlights from his first two games of the season.
For as long as I've posted here (which is a long time now) it's the same thing : people get hugely emotionally invested in cheering for prospects and you have this break in rational thinking where if any prospect is doing well there will be a jump to conclusions that it's a 'massive steal' but if any prospect is doing poorly there will be a backlash against any totally reasonable criticism with 'wait and see!' 'he's only 19' 'list of excuses'.
So for these people, for the first two years after every draft, *every single prospect* is doing great because the player is actually doing well or because they've convinced themselves that the evidence to the contrary doesn't matter.
Lekkerimaki's season through March or so was an absolute disaster. Any concern was fully justified - it was the worst draft+1 for a 1st round pick since Patrick White. He needed to do a 180 out of what was happening in a huge way and do it quickly, and it appears that starting with last year's playoffs he has.
Faber's comments from today's prospect report.
The 19-year-old Swedish winger has been off to a hot start in his return to the SHL. Lekkerimäki has scored a power play goal in each of his two SHL games. We’re happy to see the kid do what he does best and perform on the power play. His second goal was an impressive rip from the left half-wall position.
We went back and watched all of Lekkerimäki’s shifts over the two games and had some notes that were both positive and negative.
One thing we noticed at even strength was a much higher level of aggressiveness on the forecheck. It almost felt like were scouting a different prospect than we saw last season. Lekkerimäki did a great job closing in on opposing defencemen with an active stick and a lot of pace that caused pressure. The most impressive thing about Lekkerimäki’s forechecking is his ability to quickly flip a loose puck into a change of possession. Because of his high-end hands, he can scoop up a loose puck and find a streaking teammate or one of his defencemen at the point as he did in this next clip.
In that previous clip, it’s pretty great to see Lekkerimäki use both his stick as well as some physicality to force a turnover. That level of controlled aggressiveness is something that we simply did not see last year in the Allsvenskan.
Though his forecheck was strong, we had some concerns with his decision-making as he began zone exits or pushed the play around his own blue line. There were a few icings due to Lekkerimäki missing outlet passes and he often just makes quick passes where he turns around and flings the puck to an area. Sometimes a teammate is there and the zone exit works with Örebro maintaining possession but in the first two games, a majority of those quick spin passes resulted in a turnover.
It’s also still very clear that Lekkerimäki needs to add muscle, and that’s just going to come with him being the size that he is at this current age. We don’t see him being in the NHL until he adds at least 10-15 more pounds of good muscle. He seems to be sneaky enough in the offensive zone to slip around defenders, but when he is trying to gain body positioning in the defensive zone, he seems to get pushed around a lot, and that may be the reason why he has to do those quick spin passes out of his zone that often results in a turnover.
We’re not flashing any panic alarms just yet as we are only two games into the SHL season and there has been some impressive stuff from the kid on the power play as well as the forecheck. It’s been a great start to the season for Lekkerimäki as he looks to bounce back from his tough 2022-23 season.
The 19-year-old Swedish winger has been off to a hot start in his return to the SHL. Lekkerimäki has scored a power play goal in each of his two SHL games. We’re happy to see the kid do what he does best and perform on the power play. His second goal was an impressive rip from the left half-wall position.
We went back and watched all of Lekkerimäki’s shifts over the two games and had some notes that were both positive and negative.
One thing we noticed at even strength was a much higher level of aggressiveness on the forecheck. It almost felt like were scouting a different prospect than we saw last season. Lekkerimäki did a great job closing in on opposing defencemen with an active stick and a lot of pace that caused pressure. The most impressive thing about Lekkerimäki’s forechecking is his ability to quickly flip a loose puck into a change of possession. Because of his high-end hands, he can scoop up a loose puck and find a streaking teammate or one of his defencemen at the point as he did in this next clip.
In that previous clip, it’s pretty great to see Lekkerimäki use both his stick as well as some physicality to force a turnover. That level of controlled aggressiveness is something that we simply did not see last year in the Allsvenskan.
Though his forecheck was strong, we had some concerns with his decision-making as he began zone exits or pushed the play around his own blue line. There were a few icings due to Lekkerimäki missing outlet passes and he often just makes quick passes where he turns around and flings the puck to an area. Sometimes a teammate is there and the zone exit works with Örebro maintaining possession but in the first two games, a majority of those quick spin passes resulted in a turnover.
It’s also still very clear that Lekkerimäki needs to add muscle, and that’s just going to come with him being the size that he is at this current age. We don’t see him being in the NHL until he adds at least 10-15 more pounds of good muscle. He seems to be sneaky enough in the offensive zone to slip around defenders, but when he is trying to gain body positioning in the defensive zone, he seems to get pushed around a lot, and that may be the reason why he has to do those quick spin passes out of his zone that often results in a turnover.
We’re not flashing any panic alarms just yet as we are only two games into the SHL season and there has been some impressive stuff from the kid on the power play as well as the forecheck. It’s been a great start to the season for Lekkerimäki as he looks to bounce back from his tough 2022-23 season.
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yes i dont get why it has to be so "gotcha" and can't believe people were claiming he was busting? He was and we all knew it was a weak draft. It's also impossible the gauge the level of set back that occurred....he "was" still playing? Some players do ok with this kind of thing while others not so much...so?
I'm patient and optimistic when it comes to prospects "to a fault" as this organization seems to be the poster child for the one's that got away or late bloomers but when a player struggles as a 15 pick in the junior levels and a ECHL level pro league some red flags are flying.
How many would give up a 2nd round pick for Fabian Lysell right now? I sure as hell wouldn't so yes prospects are volatile if someone has to give up their potential for someone tanking in development
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There were definitely talk of trading Lekk NOW amid his malaise instead of waiting for his stock to plummet further, and the folly of those that opt to be patient with the 19 year old. I forgot who said that, but the notion was definitely greeted with support. That was foolish. When reminded that he had mono, there were many that dismissed that idea too, the doom and gloom was definitely super spreading then.
My outlook for the future of this team is significantly buoyed by all these prospects either bouncing back or showing more promise than expected. its also the time of the year. If Lekkerimaki justifies his draft position from here on out, that would make for a pretty impressive haul in a weak draft year. Him, EP(D) and Kudryavtsev, whom I'm pretty high on also.
My outlook for the future of this team is significantly buoyed by all these prospects either bouncing back or showing more promise than expected. its also the time of the year. If Lekkerimaki justifies his draft position from here on out, that would make for a pretty impressive haul in a weak draft year. Him, EP(D) and Kudryavtsev, whom I'm pretty high on also.
There was like one dumbass claiming he was a bust. Everyone else was correctly saying that his season was very concerning and that he needed to turn things around.
People got really triggered when I said he'd probably go early 3rd round if he was in the 2023 draft, and it shouldn't have been a controversial statement.
Like, Aatu Raty at the same age as Lekkerimaki (but not drafted yet because his birthday was slightly later in the year) went from top-3 overall to #52 with a bad season. Andrew Cristall this year went from the 10-12 range down to #40 based on one bad month after having a massively productive season before that. 2022 Lekkerimaki probably goes in the 25-35 range of the 2023 draft, and saying that he drops to #65-70 after a terrible season (and a concussion, which is a big deal) is just ... a pretty normal take. But holy hell, people did *not* like it.
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I thought the thread was going back on topic then you see the same conversations repeating themselves back off topic classic hfboard.
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