Prospect Info: Jonathan Lekkerimaki, #15 Overall, 2022 NHL Draft

[PuckMunchkin]

For those who want to see the situation, it's the "Anton Svensson, Västerås" one

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Thats all chin.

Hope he got lucky and will be back sooner rather than later.

 

[lawrence]

Already sounds like a Canuck prospect.

 

[Vector]

 

[lawrence]

Canucks 2022 draft picks Jonathan Lekkerimäki and Elias Pettersson named to Sweden’s World Junior roster

Early Wednesday morning, Team Sweden announced their World Junior rost...

canucksarmy.com

He got named to the team. So did EP80.

Best of luck. Hope they do well.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

Canucks 2022 draft picks Jonathan Lekkerimäki and Elias Pettersson named to Sweden’s World Junior roster

Early Wednesday morning, Team Sweden announced their World Junior rost...

canucksarmy.com

He got named to the team. So did EP80.

Best of luck. Hope they do well.

Is it too soon to call EP80 our top prospect?

Its trending that way. He is logging regular minutes in the SHL in his D+1.

 

[MS]

Is it too soon to call EP80 our top prospect?

Its trending that way. He is logging regular minutes in the SHL in his D+1.

It isn't that unreasonable to say that he'd go ahead of Lekkerimaki in a re-draft right now. One has probably moved down a round and the other moved up a round.

 

[VanJack]

It's always kind shocking how quickly the perceptions can change with a drafted player. Six months ago, Lekkerimaki was a deft scoring winger.....a legit top-10 pick who inexplicably fell to the Canucks at #15.

Now he's an undersized winger, who's lost his scoring touch, and with a concussion history to boot. I guess the ray of hope is that he was one of the youngest kids in the draft, so he has a lot of time to bulk up and rebuild his status as a top-end prospect.

But it's just a continuation of a long-standing issue with Canuck first-rounders. For whatever reason, almost every one takes a step backwards in their draft-plus-one season.

 

[Gstank]

Well this is the CanucksHF board where expectations are through the roof for every 1st round draft pick and its hard to outperform someone who is overrated by the fan base.

Development isnt linear that everyone here likes to think it is

 

[IslandBeast]

Well this is the CanucksHF board where expectations are through the roof for every 1st round draft pick and its hard to outperform someone who is overrated by the fan base.

Development isnt linear that everyone here likes to think it is

All I've seen here is people calling it like it is. Disappointing season, disappointing looking prospect thus far. These are truths

 

[Hodgy]

Well this is the CanucksHF board where expectations are through the roof for every 1st round draft pick and its hard to outperform someone who is overrated by the fan base.

Development isnt linear that everyone here likes to think it is

I have posted on this board since the late 90s. One thing that is absolutely beyond debate is that this board has been way too optimistic about Canucks prospects, to the point of being in denial about some prospects, rather than being overly critical with unreasonable expectations.

 

[mathonwy]

Well this is the CanucksHF board where expectations are through the roof for every 1st round draft pick and its hard to outperform someone who is overrated by the fan base.

Development isnt linear that everyone here likes to think it is

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[MarkusNaslund19]

It isn't that unreasonable to say that he'd go ahead of Lekkerimaki in a re-draft right now. One has probably moved down a round and the other moved up a round.

NHL scouts aren't as mercurial as hfboards.

You think a redraft is this different after 2 months of play?

 

[MS]

NHL scouts aren't as mercurial as hfboards.

You think a redraft is this different after 2 months of play?

Abso-friggin-lutely.

Look at how crazily different rankings are from the start of a draft year to the draft - there are a couple guys ranked in the 3rd round mid-season every year who end up in the first round in June. And this continues after the draft - guys aren’t somehow magically locked in at that point.

If anything fans are too stuck on draft position and don’t adjust nearly enough for new information.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

I have posted on this board since the late 90s. One thing that is absolutely beyond debate is that this board has been way too optimistic about Canucks prospects, to the point of being in denial about some prospects, rather than being overly critical with unreasonable expectations.

I think this is the case for every team.

Right after the draft your team got injected with so much new potential that can only decay with time.

 

[MarkusNaslund19]

Abso-friggin-lutely.

Look at how crazily different rankings are from the start of a draft year to the draft - there are a couple guys ranked in the 3rd round mid-season every year who end up in the first round in June. And this continues after the draft - guys aren’t somehow magically locked in at that point.

If anything fans are too stuck on draft position and don’t adjust nearly enough for new information.

At a certain point you make your assessment and let it ride a bit.

Especially when a prospect is adjusting to a new league.

Seriously?

A prospect struggles for 20 games in a professional (yes it's 2nd tier, but still) league and you're ready to pull the plug after the equivalent of a quarter of an NHL season?

So knee-jerk it's incredible. One of the absolute worst qualities of these boards is how bloody reactive they are. A year ago people wanted to dump Petey, prior to that it was Hughes, now it's Boeser AND Lekkerimaki.

Doesn't matter how many times reality dunks on people, we still get the rapid hot takes.

I believe you have a sophisticated hockey mind, even if we don't always agree, but this is a bad take.

And to be clear, I'm not saying that I'm guaranteeing Lekkerimaki works out, but 20 games is asinine.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

At a certain point you make your assessment and let it ride a bit.

Especially when a prospect is adjusting to a new league.

Seriously?

A prospect struggles for 20 games in a professional (yes it's 2nd tier, but still) league and you're ready to pull the plug after the equivalent of a quarter of an NHL season?

So knee-jerk it's incredible. One of the absolute worst qualities of these boards is how bloody reactive they are. A year ago people wanted to dump Petey, prior to that it was Hughes, now it's Boeser AND Lekkerimaki.

Doesn't matter how many times reality dunks on people, we still get the rapid hot takes.

I believe you have a sophisticated hockey mind, even if we don't always agree, but this is a bad take.

And to be clear, I'm not saying that I'm guaranteeing Lekkerimaki works out, but 20 games is asinine.

I dont think its quite that dramatic.

EP80 has made huge strides. ( I cant believe some thought he was picked for laughs )

Lekkerimäki is not progressing and the reasons he fell have only amplified. Add to that his concussion and he probably goes in the 2nd round now.

 

[nuxnux1]

I will eat mega crow if I’m wrong but he’s a bust

 

[PuckMunchkin]

I will eat mega crow if I’m wrong but he’s a bust

Too soon to call.

He is trending the wrong way for sure.

 

[JanBulisPiggyBack]

I will eat mega crow if I’m wrong but he’s a bust

I’d rather see you eat Megna crow

 

[MS]

At a certain point you make your assessment and let it ride a bit.

Especially when a prospect is adjusting to a new league.

Seriously?

A prospect struggles for 20 games in a professional (yes it's 2nd tier, but still) league and you're ready to pull the plug after the equivalent of a quarter of an NHL season?

So knee-jerk it's incredible. One of the absolute worst qualities of these boards is how bloody reactive they are. A year ago people wanted to dump Petey, prior to that it was Hughes, now it's Boeser AND Lekkerimaki.

Doesn't matter how many times reality dunks on people, we still get the rapid hot takes.

I believe you have a sophisticated hockey mind, even if we don't always agree, but this is a bad take.

And to be clear, I'm not saying that I'm guaranteeing Lekkerimaki works out, but 20 games is asinine.

1. Saying that Lekkerimaki has dropped a round to being a mid-2nd in a re-draft is not 'pulling the plug'. Nobody is saying this is a total garbage prospect who is a guaranteed bust. He's still a pretty good prospect whose stock has fallen since he was drafted. It's easy to make positions sound ridiculous if all you're doing is attacking strawmen - like, the discussion around trading Pettersson was of the nature of 'would it be a good idea to look at trading him for a guy like Barzal?', not 'let's dump him for a 2nd round pick!'.

2. It's 27 games, not 20. He also stunk at the WJCs in the summer in a different situation with a different group of players. And when you're a guy who isn't that big or fast and your main calling card is scoring goals, yes, 1 goal in 27 games in pretty low-level hockey relative to your draft position is pretty significant.

2. Prospect development and ratings are *incredibly* variable. This isn't some sort of science - it's predicting how well 18 year olds will play hockey in 5 years and it is by nature incredibly unpredictable and constantly altered considerably by new information. In the case of Lekkerimaki, the guy probably flew 20 picks up the rankings in the spring based on a 6-game sample size at the U-18s. Why is it so unreasonable that a 27-game sample size of poor play and production (and now concussion concerns) since might have dropped him back by a similar amount?

 

[Hodgy]

At a certain point you make your assessment and let it ride a bit.

Especially when a prospect is adjusting to a new league.

Seriously?

A prospect struggles for 20 games in a professional (yes it's 2nd tier, but still) league and you're ready to pull the plug after the equivalent of a quarter of an NHL season?

So knee-jerk it's incredible. One of the absolute worst qualities of these boards is how bloody reactive they are. A year ago people wanted to dump Petey, prior to that it was Hughes, now it's Boeser AND Lekkerimaki.

Doesn't matter how many times reality dunks on people, we still get the rapid hot takes.

I believe you have a sophisticated hockey mind, even if we don't always agree, but this is a bad take.

And to be clear, I'm not saying that I'm guaranteeing Lekkerimaki works out, but 20 games is asinine.

Continually evaluating and adjusting expectations for a prospect isn’t overly reactive or knee-jerky. Vast majority are not definitively calling him a bust or anything but a half year play or so, compared to probably the 1 - 2 year sample size used to evaluate and draft the prospect, isn’t an insignificant sample size. We are probably talking a 10-15% portion or whatever of the total sample size. Maybe more. And it’s the most recent portion as well which makes it more significant.

Again, I’ve posted here for a long time, and posters have been far and away too patient, verses reactive, when evaluating prospects. Like, there is honestly no comparison between how many and how often posters were too reactive regarding prospects like Hughes, Pettersson, Horvat, etc., verses posters who were way too patient with prospects like Juolevi, Schroeder, Jensen, etc. Like, there is no comparison at all. It’s isn’t close. And it’s hilarious when posters actually complain that this board is too reactive or critical of posters because it’s so dam off the mark.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

1. Saying that Lekkerimaki has dropped a round to being a mid-2nd in a re-draft is not 'pulling the plug'. Nobody is saying this is a total garbage prospect who is a guaranteed bust. He's still a pretty good prospect whose stock has fallen since he was drafted. It's easy to make positions sound ridiculous if all you're doing is attacking strawmen - like, the discussion around trading Pettersson was of the nature of 'would it be a good idea to look at trading him for a guy like Barzal?', not 'let's dump him for a 2nd round pick!'.

The Pettersson trade talk you cant reframe as something reasonable.

It was suggesting selling on an asset at an all time low.

If you were one of the people suggesting that, I think it is a blemish you just have to wear.

 

[krutovsdonut]

first off, i don't like frail undersized winger snipers as a thing. they tend to have short injury impacted careers for obvious reasons. in the new cap reality i would be very reluctant to draft for one as bpa.

second, the fact he is a faller now playing like a faller right after the draft worries me. that is a pattern that rarely improves.

but i think the wjc will tell us a lot more if he is healthy for it.

one thing to keep in mind is it's pretty easy for a coach to mishandle and bury an undersized underage sniper, and players like that can bury themselves by focussing on trying to play a 2 way role in a men's league they can't fulfill. or maybe he's just a kid and not ready for it.

we shall see.

 

[MS]

The Pettersson trade talk you cant reframe as something reasonable.

It was suggesting selling on an asset at an all time low.

If you were one of the people suggesting that, I think it is a blemish you just have to wear.

My take was always that you couldn't evaluate any of the core players correctly when Jim Benning was the GM because the atmosphere around the team was so toxic and everyone was under-performing.

My take on Pettersson was that if his play didn't right under the new management then we'd be in a position where we had to look at the Barzal-type stuff. And I don't think that was unreasonable given the information at the time. Like, holy f*** was he bad - and not even trying to be good - for the entirety of 2021.

But this isn't the Pettersson thread.

 

[MS]

Continually evaluating and adjusting expectations for a prospect isn’t overly reactive or knee-jerky. Vast majority are not definitively calling him a bust or anything but a half year play or so, compared to probably the 1 - 2 year sample size used to evaluate and draft the prospect, isn’t an insignificant sample size. We are probably talking a 10-15% portion or whatever of the total sample size. Maybe more. And it’s the most recent portion as well which makes it more significant.

Again, I’ve posted here for a long time, and posters have been far and away too patient, verses reactive, when evaluating prospects. Like, there is honestly no comparison between how many and how often posters were too reactive regarding prospects like Hughes, Pettersson, Horvat, etc., verses posters who were way too patient with prospects like Juolevi, Schroeder, Jensen, etc. Like, there is no comparison at all. It’s isn’t close. And it’s hilarious when posters actually complain that this board is too reactive or critical of posters because it’s so dam off the mark.

It's like groundhog day. I've been having the same discussions with people here for over 20 years dating back to players like Josh Holden and Nathan Smith and nothing ever changes. The vast majority of fans are consistently far to patient and far too optimistic with prospects pretty much across the board.