Prospect Info: Jonathan Lekkerimaki, #15 Overall, 2022 NHL Draft

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It’s funny that any prospect tracking moderately well can be put into future lineups but when someone is not tracking well you have to wait and see to making any comments.

Yup. Been that way forever.

Guy is performing well in his draft +1/2 : HOME RUN, put him in future NHL lineups.

Guy is performing poorly in his draft +1/2 : wait and see! LOL at calling him a bust! He’s only 19!
 
Yup. Been that way forever.

Guy is performing well in his draft +1/2 : HOME RUN, put him in future NHL lineups.

Guy is performing poorly in his draft +1/2 : wait and see! LOL at calling him a bust! He’s only 19!
Lol....Some posters were already calling Klimovich a 'bust' at 19, and he's playing in a much superior league.
 
Lol....Some posters were already calling Klimovich a 'bust' at 19, and he's playing in a much superior league.
He looks even worse this year than last. They could have taken Raty, Stankoven, Knies, Iorio, Heimosalmi and many more that were taken right after him but they didn't.
 
He looks even worse this year than last. They could have taken Raty, Stankoven, Knies, Iorio, Heimosalmi and many more that were taken right after him but they didn't.?
Hindsight is great isn't it. So all of those players are just lighting it up ?
 
It’s hindsight even if you wanted one or more of those players at the time?
No. But you have to have proofs. Its just crap when you spout off all the players that are known to be doing better, and saying "you coulda woulda shoulda"

Its also one thing to post about who you want to draft on the internet and being the GM actually picking
 
No. But you have to have proofs. Its just crap when you spout off all the players that are known to be doing better, and saying "you coulda woulda shoulda"

Its also one thing to post about who you want to draft on the internet and being the GM actually picking

I agree that a professional who oversees a large international team of specialized professionals should definitely not be held to a higher standard than a hobbyist fan posting on the internet.
 
I’m willing to wait another 3-4 days for this prospect to become a NHL ready before I call him a bust

Patience people patience
Exactly this. Canucks fans have a reputaion for a fact based, well reasoned evaluation process for prospects and newly aquired players for a reason. Head of the class.

(when did the 3 - 4 day start again?)
 
2022 was just a bad draft class that was poorly scouted due to covid. lekkerimaki is more likely to bust than be a star based on his play so far but he won't be alone in that regard amongst the first/second rounders in the draft. i would not be at all surprised if the eventual best players from this draft are all players whose careers were derailed by covid and don't emerge for 2-3 years
 
No. But you have to have proofs. Its just crap when you spout off all the players that are known to be doing better, and saying "you coulda woulda shoulda"

Its also one thing to post about who you want to draft on the internet and being the GM actually picking
It's not coulda woulda shoulda when many of the posters on here have a better drafting record than our team does. Personally I wanted Chesley in the last draft not another forward especially another slightly built one like Lekkerimaki. Could have dropped down and taken Chesley or just taken the best dman available like Bischel or Pickering. We'll see who is right in a couple of years I guess.
 
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2022 was just a bad draft class that was poorly scouted due to covid. lekkerimaki is more likely to bust than be a star based on his play so far but he won't be alone in that regard amongst the first/second rounders in the draft. i would not be at all surprised if the eventual best players from this draft are all players whose careers were derailed by covid and don't emerge for 2-3 years
I don't think the covid excuse applies to 2022. To 2021 yes, but not 2022.
 
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I don't know what it is, but over the years the Canucks have gone overboard in grading kids who light up the U-18 tournament. First it was Juolevi; then Klimovich; and now it appears, Lekkerimaki.
 
I don't know what it is, but over the years the Canucks have gone overboard in grading kids who light up the U-18 tournament. First it was Juolevi; then Klimovich; and now it appears, Lekkerimaki.
Wasnt Juolevi lighting up the U20s?

Also. Lekkerimäki was drafted 15th. He wasnt really a reach at that point.
 
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I don't think its fair to hate on a pick a few months after a player was drafted.
Maybe that's fair if its an off-the-board pick ALA La Kings 2007, 4th overall, and then the player starts to flop out of the gate, HOWEVER.... for fk sakes, he was a pretty consensus top 10 pick from like everyone Bob, ISS, Button, McKeen's, NHL central scouting etc. and we snagged him at 15th.
Its so ignorant to sit there on your sofa and think you know better then the professionals when you have the power of hindsight.
In regards to my thoughts on the pick, he had mono and that set him back. I'm not worried that he's not ripping up the league... but i am curious to see how he rounds into shape as the season goes on. However, next season imo is the one where it gives you line-of-sight to how he'll actually project.
 
I don't think its fair to hate on a pick a few months after a player was drafted.
Maybe that's fair if its an off-the-board pick ALA La Kings 2007, 4th overall, and then the player starts to flop out of the gate, HOWEVER.... for fk sakes, he was a pretty consensus top 10 pick from like everyone Bob, ISS, Button, McKeen's, NHL central scouting etc. and we snagged him at 15th.
Its so ignorant to sit there on your sofa and think you know better then the professionals when you have the power of hindsight.
In regards to my thoughts on the pick, he had mono and that set him back. I'm not worried that he's not ripping up the league... but i am curious to see how he rounds into shape as the season goes on. However, next season imo is the one where it gives you line-of-sight to how he'll actually project.
Why?
 
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Because he'll have had sufficient time to get over the lingering effects of Mono and spend a summer training. If he plays next year like you'd expect him to play his D+1 (even though its D+2) then you say, okay, he's a year behind but he's progressing and you adjust the timeline accordingly. If he plays like someone ready to take a shot at an NHL roster then he's ahead of schedule. if he plays his D+2 like he's played his D+1 so far, then we're in trouble.
 
Because he'll have had sufficient time to get over the lingering effects of Mono and spend a summer training. If he plays next year like you'd expect him to play his D+1 (even though its D+2) then you say, okay, he's a year behind but he's progressing and you adjust the timeline accordingly. If he plays like someone ready to take a shot at an NHL roster then he's ahead of schedule. if he plays his D+2 like he's played his D+1 so far, then we're in trouble.
Have you watched him play?

Are his issues related to mono?
 
Have you watched him play?

Are his issues related to mono?
Instead of gaining strength and putting on some muscle... he actually lost muscle mass. aaaand he didnt have much to begin with lol.

You know how Petey trained this past summer... got a bit stronger... it sure helped him... imagine if skinny Petey from last year last year lost 5lbs of muscle. scary! and remember Lek is at thst age where development is crucial... he may be behind a year. we'll see
 
I'm a very pro player poster.
It is not a matter of "hating" on a player to be critical when warranted

The issue with Lekkerimaki was his compete and tempo. He's incredibly skilled. Top10 worthy skilled hence the high ranking but he's smallish and has shown a tendency to stop battling or skating when engaged which isn't something that gets ironed out in a gym by getting stronger and its not a great cross over trait for adapting to smaller ice and much less time and space.
It's similar to Sven Bartschi who had all the skill in the world but lacked a NHL high level motor. There's a big gamble that you can change a trait that is mostly innate. I always think of a guy like Brendan Gallagher that became so valuable because of his motor

Now obviously PA was extremely excited to get JL and has his reasons for choosing him. Nobody is suggesting from their sofas that they did more scouting and diligence than our amateur scouting staff. My issue has been that small skilled wingers with compete issues no matter how skilled are not that valuable and impactful. A 15 OA has to have impact and value.

For the record none of this is hindsight I said in the draft thread what my reservations were with JL and had Kulich Chesley Yurov Ohgren all ahead of Lekkerimaki. Bischel and Pickering were high risk high reward and I would have felt those were better gambles given the payout if they hit but had JL higher because of IQ concerns which is a huge red flag for my player evaluation process

Anyway I am just a fan that wants our drafts to workout and we don't have enough high picks to flub them. I struggle with the process of evaluation is all. Not saying mine is better.

That is where the frustration and criticism comes from I obviously want him to be a star
 
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