Player Discussion Jonathan Drouin - Part 5

[BLONG7]

It's funny you say that because, throughout our storied history, the majority of our greatest players were born in Quebec and were worshipped from coast to coast and worldwide for that matter. If he was Jonathan Smith from Thunder bay Ontario would you be talking about his ethnicity and using it as a reason as to why he is criticized?

This should be stickied at the top of each page of this thread...........

 

[BLONG7]

Yes, by some.



Had a 53 point season in each city and another 46 point season. Pacing to 47 points this year.

Had one playoff run of 14 points in 17 games, the only other appearance 7 points in 10 games.

He is not a "bust" even if he has produced less than hoped.

From his draft year, he is 12th in career points and 10th in ppg. This is not bust territory. There are 11 drafted in the first round that year who have less than 100 career points. Jo has 278, despite serious wrist injuries.

The problems are:

- we gave up a Norris-potential defenceman for him,​

- then signed him to a long and big deal he had not earned yet.​

If we got him for a much lesser trade price and signed him to a bridge deal, he would get less hate.



Yes. MSL said so.


No we don't and you are very possibly wrong.


Perhaps and that's fine. Whatever the organization wants, either walk away or 1-year buriable contract, I'm ok with.

The guys efforts as compared to his god given talent, has sucked.

The End is Near.

Cheers....

 

[Fainting Couch]

The guys efforts as compared to his god given talent

Weird how people always leave out the issues that same God burdened him with when mentioning the talent.
They want to use the talent against him but ignore the negatives the Big Guy also made part of the equation.
Weird.

 

[1909]

The guys efforts as compared to his god given talent, has sucked.

The End is Near.

Cheers....

Drouin has always played the same at Junior and NHL level. He was unable to raise his game to pro hockey.

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

Not what I consider personal at all......................he is useless, 6 years of nothing and collecting 33M dollars.
Geez................that;s a bang on judgement of his play.
How is that personal?

As for sides? There doesn't have to be sides for gods sake.................the guy has been brutal....and it's ok to say so, when it is what it is...........

Again, if he was from Regina would you care?
I could care less where these kids come from................if he is from Russia and plays like Drouin has, he is going to get the gears from those of us, who know the kid is a floater....fancy passes don't mean squat when your efforts suck.

It's not about where he comes from. It's about that kind of speech. Insults without subtility.
Here is the quote you have your like : "**** this useless ****ing guy"

Some people talked about his mental illness and I could say they wrote something decent and intelligent. There is two sides : the hockey business and the player's right to be treaten decently. A comment like this is pure hate and bully. There is no shade of grey, it's 100% one way hatefull.
I don't care if the player sucked on he ice. The player didn't commited a crime, there is no child, woman or man victim, he just wasn't as good on par with his salary. That's it and that's all. He wasn't good enough for the player Bergevin paid in return (Sergy). But that one is on Bergevin. In my book, that's not enough to think or write something like : **** this useless ****ing guy.

Cheers.

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

I'm bullying Drouin, who's never gonna read my comment, by saying he looks pretty dumb and sadly he hasn't got what's needed between the ears to grow as a player ?

Maybe don't drink your camomile tea too hot, you could melt

There are many players I found/find they were/are dumb but I didn't mentioned it. I can't judge only by what I see on tv. I once knew some people who looked pretty intelligent but they were dumb in reality. It's just that they mastered the art of looking intelligent when they talk. Yes it exists.

But that is not pertinent here. Why posting I find x or y player dumb? For what purpose? Everyone of us should use censorship. We need more intellectual discipline. Sadly it doesn't happen.

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

I'm bullying Drouin, who's never gonna read my comment, by saying he looks pretty dumb and sadly he hasn't got what's needed between the ears to grow as a player ?

Maybe don't drink your camomile tea too hot, you could melt.

Personal attacks bro personal attacks!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[BLONG7]

Weird how people always leave out the issues that same God burdened him with when mentioning the talent.
They want to use the talent against him but ignore the negatives the Big Guy also made part of the equation.
Weird.

Drou got lazy.....................that's on him. Drou felt entitled..........that's on him.
Let's not blame the big guy for things, that Drou controls eh....
LOL
The End is Near....

Drouin has always played the same at Junior and NHL level. He was unable to raise his game to pro hockey.

Absolutely agree.......

 

[BLONG7]

It's not about where he comes from. It's about that kind of speech. Insults without subtility.
Here is the quote you have your like : "**** this useless ****ing guy"

Some people talked about his mental illness and I coulod say they wrote something decent and intelligent. There is two sides : the hockey business and the player's right to be treaten decently. A comment like this is pure hate and bully. There is no shade of grey, it's 100% one way hatefull.
I don't care if the player sucked on he ice. The player didn't commited a crime, there is no child, woman or man victim, he just wasn't as good on par with his salary. That's it and that's all. He wasn't good enough for the player Bergevin paid in return (Sergy). But that one is on Bergevin. In my book, that's not enough to think or write something like : **** this useless ****ing guy.

Cheers.

When I look at Drou I am always talking hockey...............people can say whatever they want, I talk hockey.
Everyone can have an opinion, and everyone can make excuses for him.....
Mental Illness is an awful thing, I would bet 50-60% of people out there have a form of mental illness......... and people still have to perform at their jobs JD is not the 1st hockey player to have mental illness for gods sake...he wont be the last........................................................We will ALL be glad to see the entitled star is gone. It's OK to admit it.........

 

[Fainting Couch]

Drou got lazy.....................that's on him. Drou felt entitled..........that's on him.
Let's not blame the big guy for things, that Drou controls eh....

"That Terry Fox guy would have had a better running career without that God given cancer." - BLONG7logic™

 

[BLONG7]

"That Terry Fox guy would have had a better running career without that God given cancer." - BLONG7logic™

Give it up man............you are defending an entitled sook. The truth hurts.

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

When I look at Drou I am always talking hockey...............people can say whatever they want, I talk hockey.
Everyone can have an opinion, and everyone can make excuses for him.....
Mental Illness is an awful thing, I would bet 50-60% of people out there have a form of mental illness......... and people still have to perform at their jobs JD is not the 1st hockey player to have mental illness for gods sake...he wont be the last........................................................We will ALL be glad to see the entitled star is gone. It's OK to admit it.........

"****ing guy", You agree with that quote for the guy (the person, personal) or the type of hockey he plays?
"alway talking hockey", are you sure?

Is it ok to use "F" words for every player who have less than 50 pts a year? That's 90% of 4th liners and 50% of 3rd liners. My % might not be right but you get my idea?

Personally I don't hate players who makes less than 50 pts a year. And I don't use F words for players who had nervous breakdown.

 

[Fainting Couch]

time ... PK Subban

It seems PK manages time as well as he manages raising money! Late for meetings, late to cough up $10 million.

 

[the]

Jean-Charles not happy the way MSL handled the Drou-Drou situation...so predictable lol.

https://www.tvasports.ca/2023/03/20/cest-une-erreur-de-recrue-de-martin-st-louis

 

[BehindTheTimes]

The media, the managers, the players, the coaches, etc regarded him the best well after the period you likely think his prime ended because he was. He was strapped behind a team that Bergevin burned to the ground. And the media and fans turned him into the scapegoat. You simply didn’t exist if you think otherwise.

Lmao, same old same old. Carey carried the teams when there was success, but the teams sucked when they sucked. The argument makes no sense, but it won’t stop it from being repeated.

Keep hearing Carey turned non playoff teams into playoff teams except for all the years he couldn’t. Then the team was too bad for even him. Lol. Absurdity.

 

[ReHabs]

Jean-Charles not happy the way MSL handled the Drou-Drou situation...so predictable lol.

https://www.tvasports.ca/2023/03/20/cest-une-erreur-de-recrue-de-martin-st-louis

It’s inevitable that the local media would be highly sympathetic to Drouin. If you evaluate their options you’d see they don’t have any other card to play. It’s drama, and this season has been lacking on-ice or performance-related drama and entertainment… so they have hot takes about whatever they can muster.

Don’t read into it too much

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

I simply can't take the french media seriously i'm about to have an aneurysm.

They are so freaking biased its embarassing if we benched anderson if we benched armia if we benched ylonen
there would be crickets.

They are so biased and race motivated it disgusts me honnestly as a person born and raised in a french part of Montreal.

Where do these people grow up? Without looking I know for a fact that Jean Charles wasent born in Montreal lol so obvious. Somewhere a bit more rural no doubt wink wink

Jean-Charles not happy the way MSL handled the Drou-Drou situation...so predictable lol.

https://www.tvasports.ca/2023/03/20/cest-une-erreur-de-recrue-de-martin-st-louis

Every time you post these I lose my mind lmao

 

[Skip Bayless]

Lmao, same old same old. Carey carried the teams when there was success, but the teams sucked when they sucked. The argument makes no sense, but it won’t stop it from being repeated.

Keep hearing Carey turned non playoff teams into playoff teams except for all the years he couldn’t. Then the team was too bad for even him. Lol. Absurdity.

I feel like Carey's technical abilities were often conflated with his performances. Because he could dominate to the point of intimidating the opposing team, and he got a pass for bad goaltending thanks to that.

His career was mostly ups and downs. Sometimes because the team in front of him sucked, sometimes because he just couldn't stop a beachball for long stretches, and sometimes both.

Gainey and Bergevin mostly built teams that could collapse, block shots and avoid breakaways and odd man rushes because of minimal risk taking offensively. Carey benefited from that to a certain extent. The year he won all the trophies he did carry the team though. Some years he flat out sucked, allowing multiple bad goals on a nightly basis, but the team sucking kinda masked that.

Most guys who are deemed all star goalies have the same irregularity. Guys like Lundqvist and Rask were just more consistent performance wise. But none of them peaked like Carey did.

 

[Habs13]

The benching was more than about Drouin being late but an example to the whole team that you're a part of it, or you are not. You show up ready or you sit. We have a whole lot of passengers on this team and this is calling them all out and sending a message.

Drouin is the perfect player to use to set the example with. He has constantly shit the bed and taken games off (full months when the team was on a cup run even) and since he has no future with the team and won't be back next season, why not sacrifice him for the good of team culture. Every player on the Habs and Rocket took note!

 

[BehindTheTimes]

I feel like Carey's technical abilities were often conflated with his performances. Because he could dominate to the point of intimidating the opposing team, and he got a pass for bad goaltending thanks to that.

His career was mostly ups and downs. Sometimes because the team in front of him sucked, sometimes because he just couldn't stop a beachball for long stretches, and sometimes both.

Gainey and Bergevin mostly built teams that could collapse, block shots and avoid breakaways and odd man rushes because of minimal risk taking offensively. Carey benefited from that to a certain extent. The year he won all the trophies he did carry the team though. Some years he flat out sucked, allowing multiple bad goals on a nightly basis, but the team sucking kinda masked that.

Most guys who are deemed all star goalies have the same irregularity. Guys like Lundqvist and Rask were just more consistent performance wise. But none of them peaked like Carey did.

I agree with all of this.

 

[BehindTheTimes]

The benching was more than about Drouin being late but an example to the whole team that you're a part of it, or you are not. You show up ready or you sit. We have a whole lot of passengers on this team and this is calling them all out and sending a message.

Drouin is the perfect player to use to set the example with. He has constantly shit the bed and taken games off (full months when the team was on a cup run even) and since he has no future with the team and won't be back next season, why not sacrifice him for the good of team culture. Every player on the Habs and Rocket took note!

Plenty of things to fault Drouin for. Taking a break when taking a nervous breakdown isn’t one of them. Blaming someone with mental illness for being ill is just stupid.

I wouldn’t dump on Carey for struggling with alcohol/pain killers, the same way I wouldn’t dump on Drouin for having a breakdown, I mean the Habs fan base can be be a bit much, his family received threats and everything, simply because he’s not the player we hoped he could be.

 

[expy]

Jean-Charles not happy the way MSL handled the Drou-Drou situation...so predictable lol.

https://www.tvasports.ca/2023/03/20/cest-une-erreur-de-recrue-de-martin-st-louis

Jean-Charles can also f off.

Probably spent the whole of the weekend going back and forth with Flynn.

 

[BargainBinSpecial]

I feel like Carey's technical abilities were often conflated with his performances. Because he could dominate to the point of intimidating the opposing team, and he got a pass for bad goaltending thanks to that.

His career was mostly ups and downs. Sometimes because the team in front of him sucked, sometimes because he just couldn't stop a beachball for long stretches, and sometimes both.

Gainey and Bergevin mostly built teams that could collapse, block shots and avoid breakaways and odd man rushes because of minimal risk taking offensively. Carey benefited from that to a certain extent. The year he won all the trophies he did carry the team though. Some years he flat out sucked, allowing multiple bad goals on a nightly basis, but the team sucking kinda masked that.

Most guys who are deemed all star goalies have the same irregularity. Guys like Lundqvist and Rask were just more consistent performance wise. But none of them peaked like Carey did.

Gainey was more offense minded than BargainBin ever was. The 2008 Habs were stacked with Lang, Koivu, Tanguay, Kovalev, Kosty, Pleks, Pacces, etc. I mean, the only true power forward BargainBin ever landed was Vanek. Yes, there was a year of Radulov also, but Caufield and Suzuki are BargainBin's true legacy, and that's a telltale sign of how badly this team was constructed under him. Think about it for a minute. Gainey brought a certain respectably while BargainBin was acting aloof most of the time. The clown finally graduated in the final stretch during Covid but his reputation around the league was already that of a clown. Yes, Gainey lost his mind after that year and signed a bunch of midgets, but BargainBin will forever remain a clown.

The Habs had a history of building contenders starting from the net. Therefore, Price was the logical choice 18 years ago for the organization. He was nonchalant, 6'3", elevated to stardom from the beginning. Unfortunately, there were allegations of reckless alcoholism from the start. Those later were confirmed somewhat when Price admitted it. The Habs took the right decision, trading Halak and addressed the Price situation carefully. He was a wall on many nights and had a good five or six years. Unfortunately, BargainBin never gave him the tools upfront. This was probably detrimental to Price, because he entrusted a talented goalie to lead the team. Price lacked Roy's spunk and spontaneaty, and was misevaluated by a clown. The Habs had found a gem in Subban who could of taken charge for what Price was lacking, but the clown couldn't handle someone with a bigger ego. That's the whole story, really. Had BargainBin built an offensive minded team, and not trading 4ths for fringe NHLers, Price might still be playing. Halak still is and not for 80 million.

 

[the valiant effort]

*casts a reel* What does one of the best goalies in hockey history have to do with a thread regarding one of the worst wingers in hockey history, anyway?

 

[BargainBinSpecial]

*casts a reel* What does one of the best goalies in hockey history have to do with a thread regarding one of the worst wingers in hockey history, anyway?

Another BargainBin flop, signed BargainBin.