Value of: Johnny Gaudreau: UFA this summer

[Rich Nixon]

It's generally not ideal to be signing players to big contracts as they're entering their 30's...

Depending what the offers are at the deadline, Calgary may be wise to move Gaudreau for picks/prospects, and maintain future cap flexibility


To Philly: Gaudreau

To Calgary: 2022 1st, Tuomaala, JVR... or maybe Foerster, JVR


Philly get an all-star calibre LW who should be eager to re-sign with the team

Calgary get a decent LW to help offset the loss of Gaudreau, plus a 2022 1st and speedy RW prospect in Tuomaala, or an offensive C prospect in Foerster

That's a f***load of assets from Philly for a rental, especially given that they may not even be in playoff position at that juncture.

In terms of the Flyers signing him, even dumping JVR might not be enough. They're looking at only around $14m in cap space next year with only 12 roster players, with Giroux and Ristolainen among those to re-sign. I can't imagine them not giving Risto some awful dumbass contract given the price they paid for him. So think around $21m if they move JVR, but then probably throw $6m+ at Risto, $8m+ at Gaudreau, spend some money filling out the roster depth, and then look at Giroux like "so how big of a hometown discount are we getting here?"

I don't see it anymore. Unless the Flyers do the smart thing and let big useless Rasmus walk into free agency, or are planning on letting Giroux move on. They let Risto walk, they're back to having a gaping hole on the right side of their top 4...and they'd then have obliterated a lot of the trade assets by acquiring Gaudreau, without a ton of cap space to play ball in UFA, either.

Fletcher's dumb though so who knows.

 

[Bounces R Way]

I would be fine going as high as $9x8. One of the few players that made the Flames worth watching in the last 10 years. If a player like Rantanen can get $9.25 off MacKinnon's sweat I don't think Johnny's far off.

Anything higher than that I wouldn't be too happy with but could probably stomach something under $10 as long as it's 7 or 8 years. They need to figure this out before the deadline though, hanging on to him just to see him walk to try to scrape together some playoff revenue would be horrendous. And also Classic Calgary Flames.

 

[Deen]

Get what you can for him at the deadline. I don't want 8 or 9 years of him keeping us in mediocrity. We just don't have the pipeline to truly contend. Wipe the board and start over. We can retool on the fly if we get picks and prospects for Johnny and Monahan.

 

[OilersCoffeeArtBeer]

Depending on the team.
I see him signing in jersey, Philadelphia or possibly a team like the penguins.
7 million to 9 million per.
I think he doesn't plan on signing in Calgary or it would have been done.

 

[BB88]

The contract isn't paying him for what he did in his 20's...

He'll be 29 at the start of next season, so a 7 year deal would take him through his age 35 season

There aren't a lot of wingers in their mid 30's among the scoring leaders

You haven’t seen what happens in UFA market?

 

[Moose and Squirrel]

More likely someone picked up the rumour and repeated it. That doesn't make it valid.

quite possibly... guess we'll see, but if I'm CAL I wouldn't wait to re-sign him.

 

[The Real JT]

A cautionary tale.

A top level mid career player professes his love for his current team. As he approaches his his big payday and pending UFA offseason he remains unsigned.

Any pictures of him out there in Devils’ pajamas?

 

[Perennial]

That's a f***load of assets from Philly for a rental, especially given that they may not even be in playoff position at that juncture.

In terms of the Flyers signing him, even dumping JVR might not be enough. They're looking at only around $14m in cap space next year with only 12 roster players, with Giroux and Ristolainen among those to re-sign. I can't imagine them not giving Risto some awful dumbass contract given the price they paid for him. So think around $21m if they move JVR, but then probably throw $6m+ at Risto, $8m+ at Gaudreau, spend some money filling out the roster depth, and then look at Giroux like "so how big of a hometown discount are we getting here?"

I don't see it anymore. Unless the Flyers do the smart thing and let big useless Rasmus walk into free agency, or are planning on letting Giroux move on. They let Risto walk, they're back to having a gaping hole on the right side of their top 4...and they'd then have obliterated a lot of the trade assets by acquiring Gaudreau, without a ton of cap space to play ball in UFA, either.

Fletcher's dumb though so who knows.

Is it possible you misread my example?

I was speculating a trade might look something like...

To Philly: Gaudreau
To Calgary: 2022 1st, Tuomaala, JVR

Or

To Philly: Gaudreau
To Calgary: Foerster, JVR


I think JVR is likely viewed as having negative value, so part of the value going to Calgary is to get them to take on JVR's 7 million cap hit next season

 

[Perennial]

Depending on the team.
I see him signing in jersey, Philadelphia or possibly a team like the penguins.
7 million to 9 million per.
I think he doesn't plan on signing in Calgary or it would have been done.

I could see him having interest in joining Vegas...

Maybe they sign Gaudreau, and then deal Pacioretty...

 

[Fulham]

I never understood the "he needs a playmaking centre argument" he wants the puck on his stick at all times, he needs a shoot first C partner(that can actually score).

 

[DJJones]

9 million for 8 years is crazy. He'll be 37/38 by the time that ends.

If he isn't signed by the deadline I say trade him. Retaining half should return a haul.

 

[Lurch]

HFBoards: the kid is an RFA, why should he be paid like a UFA even though he is outperforming his contract.
Also HFBoards: he is old and UFA, why pay him what he has earned, trade him if he won’t sign for a discount.

 

[Tkachuk Norris]

A cautionary tale.

A top level mid career player professes his love for his current team. As he approaches his his big payday and pending UFA offseason he remains unsigned.

Any pictures of him out there in Devils’ pajamas?

Mid level?

The guy is 9th in points per game among active players.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

Mid level?

The guy is 9th in points per game among active players.

he said top level, mid career

 

[TGWL]

9 million for 8 years is crazy. He'll be 37/38 by the time that ends.

If he isn't signed by the deadline I say trade him. Retaining half should return a haul.

If Flames are playoff contenders they can't make that trade.

 

[DJJones]

If Flames are playoff contenders they can't make that trade.

If Brad loses him for nothing he's out of a job

 

[TGWL]

If Brad loses him for nothing he's out of a job

And if you trade him just because he didn't sign, they might find themselves out of the playoffs. I can't see him being traded unless the wheels fall off the wagon here for Calgary.

 

[DJJones]

And if you trade him just because he didn't sign, they might find themselves out of the playoffs. I can't see him being traded unless the wheels fall off the wagon here for Calgary.

Not really an all in year for us, we're in the middle of transitioning. If we lose Gaudreau getting some assets and a chance at the lottery isn't the worst thing in the world.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

Not really an all in year for us, we're in the middle of transitioning. If we lose Gaudreau getting some assets and a chance at the lottery isn't the worst thing in the world.

What about Calgary's current roster, age group, contract lengths, season results, and well known to being in on Eichel makes you think Calgary is "transitioning?" Gaudreau is dominating out there and Calgary is dominating with him. Treliving has a way better chance at keeping his job if Johnny walks for nothing after a successful playoff run then if he sells him for assets and Calgary faceplants.

 

[DJJones]

What about Calgary's current roster, age group, contract lengths, season results, and well known to being in on Eichel makes you think Calgary is "transitioning?" Gaudreau is dominating out there and Calgary is dominating with him. Treliving has a way better chance at keeping his job if Johnny walks for nothing after a successful playoff run then if he sells him for assets and Calgary faceplants.

I don't think so at all. People will forget about a 2nd round exit by the following year. All we'll have is the thought of losing Johnny for nothing.

 

[John Mandalorian]

This guy is a full service offensive forward. He makes his entire line better. I don't know how it would work but I've been low-key wanting him on the Avs for a while. Fantasies aside, I think the Devils make a lot of sense. Imagine him with Jack Hughes.

 

[majormajor]

I think my Jackets ought to offer $9m x 7. No idea if he's interested but he is that caliber of player.

 

[DFF]

If the team is still doing well by the TDL, they are going all in. No question about it with Sutter and Markstrom. They may not get back to this for a long time.

I think it's a sign or lose him situation.

 

[HugeInTheShire]

He's a 9+ per year player, but the back end of that deal could end up looking real bad.

 

[Nanuuk]

He's a 9+ per year player, but the back end of that deal could end up looking real bad.

Or he could end up being the new Marty St. Louis who played until he was 39 and still put up a 52 point season.