Value of: Johnny Gaudreau: UFA this summer
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Being from South Jersey, there's certainly a part of this that feels like it's Philadelphia. That's Flyers country through and through, not Devils.
If not going back home to Philadelphia or re-upping in Calgary, though, this one strikes me as a case where he will be a merc if he leaves his current team. At the kind of $8-9M coin he will be chasing for near max term, and with the warts in his game (mostly his size), he strikes me as someone who will have to strictly follow the money. There will be teams offering what he wants, but maybe not many, and not necessarily the teams of his choosing.
But I'll say Philly or Calgary. The Flames are shaping up to be a good team this year and that's a big factor, on top of the eighth year they can offer him.
If not going back home to Philadelphia or re-upping in Calgary, though, this one strikes me as a case where he will be a merc if he leaves his current team. At the kind of $8-9M coin he will be chasing for near max term, and with the warts in his game (mostly his size), he strikes me as someone who will have to strictly follow the money. There will be teams offering what he wants, but maybe not many, and not necessarily the teams of his choosing.
But I'll say Philly or Calgary. The Flames are shaping up to be a good team this year and that's a big factor, on top of the eighth year they can offer him.
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Yeah, because small wingers have a history of aging poorly. Oh wait, that's true of big wingers. Small scoring wingers tend to still be very effective at 35+
St Louis
Selanne
Whitney
Kozlov
Recchi
Gionta
Ciccarelli
Joe Mullen
Patrick Kane will be 33 in a few weeks and we've seen pretty much no fall off for him. His last 3 seasons have actually been some of his best.
Mickey Marner
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If Calgary offers the eighth year he probably stays. For example, if they offer 8×8 another team would have to offer 9.15×7 to beat the total value of the deal. That's a steep price.
With Tkachuk's 9 AAV QO, I think they might opt to pick one or the other.
With Tkachuk's 9 AAV QO, I think they might opt to pick one or the other.
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Realistically, he'll probably get offered anywhere from $9M-10M on the open market, but it wouldn't shock me to see him take a discount to play closer to home.
I would be shocked if he took a discount to play in Calgary after the way they treated him during his RFA contract negotiation. He has significantly outplayed his current contract, averaging 81 points per 82 games on a $6.75M cap hit.
I would be shocked if he took a discount to play in Calgary after the way they treated him during his RFA contract negotiation. He has significantly outplayed his current contract, averaging 81 points per 82 games on a $6.75M cap hit.
Ledge And Dairy
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Tkachuk likely wont get a chance to sign a QO, Calgary probably files for Arbitration in lieu of it.
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I believe they have to issue the QO in order to retain his rights before they can file for arbitration. If he doesn't sign it then I expect arbitration though.
Ledge And Dairy
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I have no interest in signing a midget play maker to a 7 year contract.
I know you have a hard on for Gaudreau so I Will not be commenting further.
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You know he's a 2 time 30 goal scorer, right? He's averaged 27 goals/82 games, and he's done that without the benefit of a playmaking center.
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Calargy isn't moving him unless they find themselves becoming a playoff bubble. Otherwise they other sign him, lose him for nothing, or trade rights at end of season. They will not be making a blockbuster trade involving Gaudreau unless the wheels fall off.
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he got the same contract as Giordano who was headed to Free Agency that year. Johnny was an RFA without arbitration. Those were and are the largest contracts in Flames history.
he also got more than Nathan Mackinnon who signed at the same time. I also think he got more than Barkov and a few others.
how do you consider that mistreatment?
I dont think anyone would call Selänne a small scoring winger.
And on the topic, I really want Flames to re-sign Gaudreau
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He was coming off a season where he finished 6th in league scoring with 30 goals and 78 points in 79 games.
Mackinnon was coming off a 52 point season and 38 point season.
Barkov was coming off a 59 point season and 36 point season.
Nothing "wrong" with how Calgary used their leverage, but they definitely did. I would expect Gaudreau to now use his leverage and not accept a discount.
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No idea why I remembered him being smaller. Can't believe him being 6'0
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A lot of these guys aren't that small. They were from the era before players started exaggerating their size. So a guy like Ciccarelli listed at 5'10 is likely the equivalent of a 6' player now. A guy like Recchi who was 5'10'' and 195lbs, would not be considered small in any way compared to modern NHLers. You can inflate that to 6' and 200+lbs using today's standards.
I do agree with the main point, that Gaudreau is likely to last longer than average. He doesn't rely on high end speed and he may be the best player in NHL history at avoiding contact. His only major injury thus far has been a fractured finger.
If the Flames elect to file for arbritation in the first window before he can sign his QO, he'll still be owed at minimum 85% of the $9 mil QO on a 1-2 year contract. Since the Flames decided to file for arbritation, Tkachuk can choose whether he wants a 1 or 2 year contract, which if he choose 1 year walks him right into free agency I believe.
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Nanuuk
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More likely someone picked up the rumour and repeated it. That doesn't make it valid.
InfinityIggy
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Not quite. Team elected arbitration sets the minimum QO value at 85% of the actual QO number.
Ledge And Dairy
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Yes, either way a QO or arbitration only ends up being a 1 year deal. Team elected arbitration does not mean the contract Tkachuk signs has to be short term. Refer to Brandon Carlo's most recent contract. Boston elected arbitration in the first window and the agreed to a 6 year deal before the arbitration.
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Ledge And Dairy
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Even then its no longer a QO, its the arbitrator can offer that player a minimum of 85% of their previous year's salary
