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Value of: Johnny Gaudreau to Eastern Conference

Double Dion said:
So a second year player who finishes 6th in league scoring isn't a franchise player? He had a 4th line winger to play with and a borderline 1st line center. Put him with elite players and he'd win the art ross.
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Play him with whoever you want. He'll never win that award with a healthy McDavid around.
 
L13 said:
You honestly believe no one but McDavid is going to win the Art Ross as long as McDavid is healthy?

Interesting.
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Haha, so true.
Last year was the last time anyone other than McDavis is winning the Art Ross the next decade
 
L13 said:
You honestly believe no one but McDavid is going to win the Art Ross as long as McDavid is healthy?

Interesting.
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Use your head. As an 18 year old rookie he might have won it last year if not for the broken clavicle
 
Tripod said:
All you did was post an article on how bad JG was on the road vs at home. Isn't that what he was saying?
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You obviously didn't take the time to read the article.
He said he struggled against tougher competition in the road. Buzz in when you read the entire article.
 
Godot said:
No, it isn't. I'd put money on Matthews' ceiling being much higher than Gaudreau's.
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I'll take that bet. Gaudreau is already a PPG two way winger at the age of 22, with upside to continue to improve. He's already got a top 6 scoring finish.

Matthews will have done very well just to turn into what Gaudreau is today, let alone what he could be in a few years. It's not impossible, but it's far from likely that he ever surpasses Gaudreau, let alone having a "much higher" ceiling lol.
 
rustyisin said:
Not my words.
I bet he wins 8 or the next 10 if healthy. That's my position.
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Uh you responded to the following:

L13 said:
You honestly believe no one but McDavid is going to win the Art Ross as long as McDavid is healthy?

Interesting.
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With this

rustyisin said:
Use your head. As an 18 year old rookie he might have won it last year if not for the broken clavicle
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Seemed kind of clear that was what you were implying but hey if you're only slotting him in for 8-10 Art Ross trophies that's cool.
 
Mcnotloilersfan said:
I am quite confident that if Toronto were to be offered Monahan and Gaudreau for Matthews, they would take that deal.
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Gaudreau and Monahan ate both due for raises soon.
Leafs wouldn't trade their big two way #1c for those two.
A few years down the road I don't think the Leafs would be able to keep all of Gaudreau, Monahan, Marner and Nylander. Leafs would lose at least one of them and that's why I think they'd have to pass on a trade like that
 
WhiskeyYourTheDevils said:
I'll take that bet. Gaudreau is already a PPG two way winger at the age of 22, with upside to continue to improve. He's already got a top 6 scoring finish.

Matthews will have done very well just to turn into what Gaudreau is today, let alone what he could be in a few years. It's not impossible, but it's far from likely that he ever surpasses Gaudreau, let alone having a "much higher" ceiling lol.
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Lol come on. Now we're over rating Gaudreau. Matthews will put up the same.or better numbers while being great defensively
 
McspOiler said:
Leverage doesn't work that way. True he can't decide where he goes but he does have the ability to refuse to sign a long term deal.
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Of course he's also risking the chance of leaving millions on the table in the case of a career ending injury if he chooses to do so.

Even if Gaudreau elects to go for a five year UFA deal, that's not anything out of the ordinary. Kane, Toews, Stamkos, and Kopitar were all on these kind of contracts and it didn't stop those teams from competing or retaining the players, though it did hurt them when UFA time came. And ultimately since it's the team pushing for more term, his annual salary stands to be less if he does not sign for max term, as there is no incentive for not purchasing UFA years. These are all realities of this negotiation. Since he can't sign an offer sheet, he can't inflate his short-term AAV by negotiating with another team. He stands to risk signing a low AAV Ryan Johansen bridge contract if he pushes for a short term, which is a lose for him.

Gaudreau is not pushing for short term just so he can bail for Philly. In fact he's said that he will sign whatever deal his agent thinks is most sensible. The agent may be pushing for short term so that Gaudreau can sign a lucrative retirement UFA deal like Stamkos and Kopitar and Benn just did. The team may be pushing for long term so that he can be cost-controlled throughout his contract like Tarasenko. And chances are, when the contract is signed both sides will have had to compromise on things they would have preferred not to (NTC / NMC / AAV / Term / Signing Bonus) but are ultimately satisfied with the imperfect end result.
 
Leafs wouldn't trade Matthews for both Gaudreau and Monahan?

There is really nothing you can say to someone who actually believes something like that.

Wow.
 
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