In Memoriam Johnny Gaudreau & Matthew Gaudreau killed by drunk driver while cycling (MOD WARNING. No Flaming, Trolling, or Politics.)

[Devonator]

Why does it have to be an excuse? He did drive like an idiot and he did kill two people, obviously. If people didn't have to drive so often, they wouldn't hit people so often.

Oh brother....yeah great solution...ban all drivers now.....wow....

 

[AKL]

it still wouldn't prevent shit like this. more idiots would start treating that 'real 3-6 foot shoulder' as an additional lane

idiots kill people, infrastructure is not to blame, i dont know why people keep trying to take blame off the killer

I no longer have any patience for people who intentionally misrepresent my posts as trying to defend or remove blame from the drunk driver. It's annoying and I'm sick of it. Ask for clarification if you don't get it.

 

[Spearmint Rhino]

I’ve made my fair share of mistakes, even driven buzzed before (never shithouse drunk). I grew up and acknowledged the dangers and the outright stupidity. Living long enough you see enough stories and know enough people who have been affected by a dui or worse. If I’m ever dumb enough to do that again and the result is someone’s death I would want absolutely no one to feel remorse for me.

Get yourself a good portable breathalyzer, best investment I’ve ever made and takes the guess work out especially morning after

 

[Crow]

I’ve made my fair share of mistakes, even driven buzzed before (never shithouse drunk). I grew up and acknowledged the dangers and the outright stupidity. Living long enough you see enough stories and know enough people who have been affected by a dui or worse. If I’m ever dumb enough to do that again and the result is someone’s death I would want absolutely no one to feel remorse for me.

That’s more than fair but would you want to be hanged for it or lethally injected? I would think not.

 

[TheBeard]

Get yourself a good portable breathalyzer, best investment I’ve ever made and takes the guess work out especially morning after

If I’m ever in a position where I have to contemplate taking a breathalyzer to know if I should drive, I already know I shouldn’t.

 

[Squiffy]

This has left me drained, somber, apathetic to hockey (that part will pass very soon), just all kind of different feelings and emotions. I don't even wanna watch a tribute video or really any kind of hockey highlights.

I bet I'll be over the not wanting to watch tribute videos or hockey highlights fairly quickly, but this whole situation really sucks.

I think this is the biggest death of an active NHL player probably since Pelle Lindbergh almost 40 years ago.

Quite a few have died while being active players in the league since then. As well as the entire Lokomotiv team in 2011.

But as far as the NHL goes, I think Johnny Gaudreau is the biggest name in hockey to have died while still being an active player.

There’s Horton, and Lindbergh was the reigning Vezina winner, he was not small potatoes, but be damned if we are ranking them. All first class shitty.

 

[TheBeard]

That’s more than fair but would you want to be hanged for it or lethally injected? I would think not.

No. I think that’s extreme. However, knowing myself, the guilt I would feel would make me wish I was dead.

 

[D Wakaluk]

Maybe start from changing the f***ed up idea that it's ok to drive after a "few" ...

Never ceases to amaze me.

Rip Johnny

 

[Dr Salt]

This makes me sick

 

[Pavelski2112]

Oh brother....yeah great solution...ban all drivers now.....wow....

I'm not gonna turn this thread into a debate more than it already is but at least try to look at some things in good faith every now and then

 

[Rebels57]

Have to wonder how many of the people condemning this man as evil and saying he should spend his life in prison or be killed are huge hypocrites who have drank and drove before.

Sounds like you're trying to make yourself feel better.

 

[Hierso]

Drunk drivers are scum and i've seen it through my work. Had to save an asshole that killed a little girl once and it sucked but you have to remain professional. Guy we saved got 24 years and from my understanding this fellow isn't facing anything close to that.

RIP Gaudreau brothers and i seriously hope that the sister doesn't develop a survivors guilt over this, that shit ruins a persons life.

 

[Devonator]

I'm not gonna turn this thread into a debate more than it already is but at least try to look at some things in good faith every now and the

How about this then....instead of your unrealistic proposal, we make the fines far far harsher for those that kill people whilst drunk....like in certain countries, they execute drunk drivers who kill.....lets not punish the rest of us for driving...punish the cretins that drive drunk and kill people...

 

[shaner82]

No, having 5 or 6 beers and drunk driving is absolutely NOT normal. Maybe in the circles you run in, but the vast majority of society knows not to drink that much and drive.

Pretending thats normal is stupid and dangerous.

It's not my circles, it's society. Go sit in a pub and watch how many people have a handful of drinks and drive home. Now multiply that by basically every pub/bar/restaurant in the country. Drinking and driving is extremely common. You don't want to say it's normal, fine, because I don't know how to define normal anyway, but it's very, very common.

Every 39 minutes, someone dies in the US from drinking and driving. That's just those who die. There's far more who are injured, and even more who get home just fine.

It's a big problem because of how many people do it.

 

[RandV]

it still wouldn't prevent shit like this. more idiots would start treating that 'real 3-6 foot shoulder' as an additional lane

idiots kill people, infrastructure is not to blame, i dont know why people keep trying to take blame off the killer

The vast majority of time you can look at any specific case and point to the individual as being responsible for death(s). From a big picture perspective on the other hand, like the podcast link stating 6000+ pedestrian deaths a year in the US, that it becomes an "infrastructure" problem.

Yes people are going to be idiots. The idea is you analyze the way people are idiots and come up with concrete ways to mitigate the damage they cause.

For the tragedy in question though it's pretty tough when you're talking about an old country/rural road (I haven't seen the specific details on it). If its a place people walk/cycle though about the only thing to do is have a path segregated from the road.

 

[Crow]

Sympathy and justice are not mutually exclusive. I'm sorry that he didn't have enough sense to not get behind the wheel. I'm sorry that his life is now ruined as are the families of those he killed. Tragic all around.

It surely is. I was just questioning openly if justice is served by killing or life imprisoning the person who is responsible for this.

Sounds like you're trying to make yourself feel better.

I think it’s the people calling for his head that want to feel better

 

[centipede2233]

I just saw the video of the judge reading the defendants charges, and he faces a maximum of 10 yrs for 2nd degree vehicular homicide, he is charged with 2 counts. So a worse case scenario for him would be 20 yrs, maybe 10 yrs if the sentences run concurrently.

 

[Crazy Cizikas]

Breathalyzers are easily bypassed

Perhaps. But that would at least show clear deliberation.

 

[Soundwave]

It's not my circles, it's society. Go sit in a pub and watch how many people have a handful of drinks and drive home. Now multiply that by basically every pub/bar/restaurant in the country. Drinking and driving is extremely common. You don't want to say it's normal, fine, because I don't know how to define normal anyway, but it's very, very common.

Every 39 minutes, someone dies in the US from drinking and driving. That's just those who die. There's far more who are injured, and even more who get home just fine.

It's a big problem because of how many people do it.

If you're having 6 beers and driving afterwards, you really need to reexamine your life. This isn't the freaking 1970s anymore and it wasn't ok to do it back then either.

Although I'd bet money this guy is also lying about that, if he's admitting to 5 or 6 beers, it probably really was 7-10+.

 

[La Cosa Nostra]

Rest in Peace to both. Just awful news…

 

[Swervin81]

For major cities this makes sense. But, this is an exurban community, where expecting that type of infrastructure is likely unrealistic and not viable. The type of investment required to reduce car usage as the primay mode of transpertation is unlikely to happen.

Now, if you choose to drink at a local bar, and live in a place that is relatively isolated when it comes to public transportation, budget accordingly and take an uber.

As for them using the sidewalk. For little kids sure. If a biker hits me, unless I land terribly I'm likely to just have bruises and recover, if they hit my 73 year old mother or a small child, they could very easily kill them or give them life altering injuries. Cyclists don't get to pass risk on to pedestrians because they aren't comfortable on the road.

Those are all very reasonable points. Ultimately, as a city dweller, I’ll be biased towards decreasing car usage as much as possible.

 

[Squiffy]

It's not my circles, it's society. Go sit in a pub and watch how many people have a handful of drinks and drive home. Now multiply that by basically every pub/bar/restaurant in the country. Drinking and driving is extremely common. You don't want to say it's normal, fine, because I don't know how to define normal anyway, but it's very, very common.

Every 39 minutes, someone dies in the US from drinking and driving. That's just those who die. There's far more who are injured, and even more who get home just fine.

It's a big problem because of how many people do it.

Hockey, hell, sports culture, has a real beer culture. Hell, the recreational circuits are named beer leagues. Crushing some beers in a locker room or parking lot is a thing, a real common thing. Ostrich head in the sand is just ostrich head in the sand.

I do think it is slowly changing. It’ll take generations.

I’m not condoning it, but Shaner is right, it’s not at all uncommon. Unfortunately.

 

[Rebels57]

It surely is. I was just questioning openly if justice is served by killing or life imprisoning the person who is responsible for this.

I think it’s the people calling for his head that want to feel better

Not sure how that makes any kind of sense, but okay. Stick to defending the wreckless remorseless murderer, I guess.

 

[Turin]

Have to wonder how many of the people condemning this man as evil and saying he should spend his life in prison or be killed are huge hypocrites who have drank and drove before.

Probably not a lot, bro.

 

[Squiffy]

If you're having 6 beers and driving afterwards, you really need to reexamine your life. This isn't the freaking 1970s anymore and it wasn't ok to do it back then either.

Although I'd bet money this guy is also lying about that, if he's admitting to 5 or 6 beers, it probably really was 7-10+.

Im going a dozen easy. Buddy was still crushing them while driving by some reports.