In Memoriam Johnny Gaudreau & Matthew Gaudreau killed by drunk driver while cycling (MOD WARNING. No Flaming, Trolling, or Politics.)

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How fast were the vehicles all going on that road.

Didn't see that in the police report, but the speed limit is 50 and iirc it said the two other cars were already slowed down for the bikers, when the drunk driver approached from behind "at a high rate of speed", which may or may not have been around the speed limit given the context of the other cars having slowed down. But given the drunk drivers history, it may well have been over the speed limit too.
 

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Went and found the actual clip. I want to believe his reaction is more to do with the slow realization of reality crashing around him because he does look distraught. Heavy emphasis on "want" because I just can't fathom he'd care so little about murdering two people.
It's tempting to invent an evil persona for this guy none of us know, but chances are he was a normal guy 24 hours ago who will now be haunted by a horrific decision for the rest of his life. His kids, his family and friends, and his conscience will always know he's the Guy Who Killed the Gaudreau Brothers. No matter what the legal decision is, he'll get no free pass. Nor should he.
 

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My father has FTD. It's possible he has some sort of alcohol-related cognitive decline. That would leave him unable to grasp the severity of the event.

It's a big, big stretch. But those kinds of illnesses are commonly undiagnosed for some time. And chronic alcoholism could mean it doesn't take much for him to become intoxicated. An illness like FTD would make him more likely to drive inebriated and aggressively.
If I'm having a beer I don't drive
 
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Yeah, the real takeaway is that we need to push for protected bike infrastructure and better public transportation. You get drunk drivers off the road when you get cars off the road. The Netherlands figured this out long ago.

Ngl, can it be a little frustrating when a Lime bike/scooter goes zipping down the sidewalk? Sure. But as a pedestrian, I gotta remember that 70lb bike and its occupant are doing far less damage to me than a 4000lb car is doing to them. Can’t blame them for noping out of sharing the road with death traps.

I was just writing a similar comment on the Jackets board (my home board). The people saying the killer should be killed are understandable, but if you really want to stop this then you can't do it with ever more severe punishments. You have to make drunk driving no longer convenient, you have to make speeding no longer feel right, you have to make gigantic vehicles no longer viable.

These were my comments earlier:

"I spent the whole night checking over and over again to see if it was a hoax.

I'm still shocked. I am also thinking ahead to ways to do something about the senseless loss of life that keeps happening on our roads. We can't bring Johnny back but we can do something for the future. If folks aren't at the point where they're ready to have this sort of conversation then feel free to ignore this.

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The US has far higher road death rates than other developed countries. The other countries have dropping death rates while ours is rising. Amazingly Russia now has a lower road death rate than the United States. And US pedestrian and cyclist deaths are going up sharply.

There are a lot of reasons for that. But one of them is that we have never taken drunk driving seriously enough. Otherwise good people are having 4-5 beers and still getting behind the wheel. I've seen friends do that. You can't legally open a bar now unless you build a large parking lot for it, it's required in the zoning almost everywhere. And most people parked in the lot are driving drunk. Bars should not even have customer parking!

Our vehicles are obviously also ballooning in size. Heavier = deadlier. Same with the rising hood heights where drivers can't even see children in front of their vehicle. Per consumer reports: "A recent IIHS study of nearly 18,000 pedestrian crashes found that vehicles with a hood height greater than 40 inches are about 45 percent more likely to cause fatalities in pedestrian crashes." I understand why people do this on an individual level, if you're the one person who doesn't have a giant vehicle, you're roadkill. But collectively it's insane. We need to just ban or tax out these vehicles like a reasonable country would.

I know this is getting esoteric, but another factor is road design. We build roads as wide as possible, straight and unencumbered. But this paradoxically leads to more death, drivers on wide roads naturally feel that the appropriate speed is much higher and drive accordingly. And death rates go up exponentially with higher speed. It doesn't matter what the road feels like, if it is faster it is deadlier. There's so much more we could talk about like having better cycling and pedestrian infrastructure, but I'll stop here for now. We're still grieving and some folks are just finding out now, so I understand if this conversation will come later."
 

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It's tempting to invent an evil persona for this guy none of us know, but chances are he was a normal guy 24 hours ago who will now be haunted by a horrific decision for the rest of his life. His kids, his family and friends, and his conscience will always know he's the Guy Who Killed the Gaudreau Brothers. No matter what the legal decision is, he'll get no free pass. Nor should he.
He's apparently a guy who, 24 hours ago, knew he had already had 2 DUIs this month and didn't learn anything from them. Maybe he isn't an evil or bad person, but if someone keeps making evil/bad decisions, how many times do they need to make them before they ARE just a bad person?
 
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Not sure if it's been posted yet, but here a video of the guy facing the judge.

Sickening. He seems more annoyed than upset, like a damn narcissist.

 

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It's tempting to invent an evil persona for this guy none of us know, but chances are he was a normal guy 24 hours ago who will now be haunted by a horrific decision for the rest of his life. His kids, his family and friends, and his conscience will always know he's the Guy Who Killed the Gaudreau Brothers. No matter what the legal decision is, he'll get no free pass. Nor should he.
Nope. It’s confirmed he was driving drunk. EVERYONE knows the risks of drunk driving and how dangerous it is, and nearly everyone knows someone who was killed or hurt by a drunk driver. He did it anyway. There is absolutely no excuse for it, and anyone who does it will never get any sympathy from me. f*** the selfish POS driver and his addiction.
 
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He's apparently a guy who, 24 hours ago, knew he had already had 2 DUIs this month and didn't learn anything from them. Maybe he isn't an evil or bad person, but if someone keeps making evil/bad decisions, how many times do they need to make them before they ARE just a bad person?
2 DUIs this month?? If true, that's a very different story
 
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It's tempting to invent an evil persona for this guy none of us know, but chances are he was a normal guy 24 hours ago who will now be haunted by a horrific decision for the rest of his life. His kids, his family and friends, and his conscience will always know he's the Guy Who Killed the Gaudreau Brothers. No matter what the legal decision is, he'll get no free pass. Nor should he.
Evil becomes you. It's not a disposition. It's not a maniacal personality. It's habits, repeated every day, until you become somebody you weren't before.
 

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Nope. It’s confirmed he was driving drunk. EVERYONE knows the risks of drunk driving and how dangerous it is, and nearly everyone knows someone who was killed or hurt by a drunk driver. He did it anyway. There is absolutely no excuse for it, and anyone who does it will never get any sympathy from me. f*** the selfish POS driver and his addiction.
The point isn't that he deserves sympathy. It's that he's dug his own hell regardless of how the legal wheels turn.
 

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Honestly drinking and driving should be punished more severely imo. You can plan ahead. You know what you are doing when you get behind the wheel after drinking. You should be punished accordingly.

Getting a bit sick and tired of some of these posters in here who probably dnd all the time trying to justify the act via victim blaming.

I feel so bad for their family right now, I usually don’t get overly emotional about things like this because death happens all over the world at all times but the day before his sisters wedding? This drunk driver just ruined the lives of so many people
Mathews wife is pregnant I hope she will be alright
Jonny to young children just getting to know where father
²I was listening to Brian Burke today.
Jonny family were there when he signed his contract.
When his father was teaching his son how to skate when he was a child . He would use skittles to get him to skate.
 

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I hope they can use that video at the sentencing. This POS needs to spend a long time in prison that makes him forget all about missing his long weekend.
 
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It's tempting to invent an evil persona for this guy none of us know, but chances are he was a normal guy 24 hours ago who will now be haunted by a horrific decision for the rest of his life. His kids, his family and friends, and his conscience will always know he's the Guy Who Killed the Gaudreau Brothers. No matter what the legal decision is, he'll get no free pass. Nor should he.

Do some research before posting nonsense like this. Normal guys dont get drunk early Thursday evening, drive like a maniac, and take the lives of two human beings. This deadbeat deserves ZERO SYMPATHY and ZERO BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT. He is a low-life and deserves to rot in prison followed by the deepest hottest level of hell.
 

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What the f*** kind of comment is this?

Rich, middle class, poor...irrelevant...two innocent human beings with families lost their f***ing lives due to this individuals careless, wreckless f***ing behavior.
You're right, but everyone, let's give each other a little latitude today. This is gut-wrenching for all of us to process and sometimes, in situations like this, it can be hard to express feelings in the most socially-acceptable way.
 

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Yeah, the real takeaway is that we need to push for protected bike infrastructure and better public transportation. You get drunk drivers off the road when you get cars off the road. The Netherlands figured this out long ago.

Ngl, can it be a little frustrating when a Lime bike/scooter goes zipping down the sidewalk? Sure. But as a pedestrian, I gotta remember that 70lb bike and its occupant are doing far less damage to me than a 4000lb car is doing to them. Can’t blame them for noping out of sharing the road with death traps.
For major cities this makes sense. But, this is an exurban community, where expecting that type of infrastructure is likely unrealistic and not viable. The type of investment required to reduce car usage as the primay mode of transpertation is unlikely to happen.

Now, if you choose to drink at a local bar, and live in a place that is relatively isolated when it comes to public transportation, budget accordingly and take an uber.

As for them using the sidewalk. For little kids sure. If a biker hits me, unless I land terribly I'm likely to just have bruises and recover, if they hit my 73 year old mother or a small child, they could very easily kill them or give them life altering injuries. Cyclists don't get to pass risk on to pedestrians because they aren't comfortable on the road.
 

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Do some research before posting nonsense like this. Normal guys dont get drunk early Thursday evening, drive like a maniac, and take the lives of two human beings. This deadbeat deserves ZERO SYMPATHY and ZERO BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT. He is a low-life and deserves to rot in prison followed by the deepest hottest level of hell.
If your takeaway from my post was "sympathy", I suggest you read it again.
 

Garbageyuk

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The point isn't that he deserves sympathy. It's that he's dug his own hell regardless of how the legal wheels turn.
Yeah well, it doesn’t always work like that, unfortunately. People who are selfish enough to drive drunk often don’t feel bad about who they hurt. It takes a certain kind of person to get behind the wheel drunk, and that type of person often does not give a f*** about anyone else; they only care about themselves - go figure. I certainly won’t be wasting anymore time thinking about this POS, regardless of whether he feels bad or not.
 

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