John Tortorella Named (Part Time) Head Coach Discussion

[BobbyClarkeFan16]

Fine for a relegation battle... but yeh... there are no relegation battles in the NHL.

And don't forget about overtime battles. The 1 forward/2 defender scheme is an earth mover and shaker.....

 

[Curufinwe]

Those statements...

sheesh... making it a generational thing "these guys today" inferring guys are soft, saying believes in basically always calling out things in front of everyone, and happy it creates division and tension, saying is open but wont speak to players, not liking specific "styles" of play. Not exactly a surprise, it is who he has always been but yeh... the league has moved on.

We have Tony Pulis as a coach when the top teams have Jurgen Klopps and Pep Guardiolas.

Fine for a relegation battle... but yeh... there are no relegation battles in the NHL.

Except Tony Pulis didn't take nights off, and he had to coach outside.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Now will the coach ever learn how to accept accountability? I have my doubts.

What coaching? The sensitive arrogant weakling is getting all worked up over something that didn't happen

 

[renberg]

If this team was a serious SC contender and it had a problem with its coaches style that would be one thing. The case here is that this bunch overachieved to be the seventh worst club in the League. We saw what they really are last year. I don’t really want to hear how they’ve been abused by the coach and the staff. They stink.

 

[Beef Invictus]

What a whinefest.

 

[Beef Invictus]

what a jackass statement.

Right? We know he was telling them anything. What honesty? When he slammed them to the press and then gave no direct feedback, followup, or coaching?

 

[ponder719]

If this team was a serious SC contender and it had a problem with its coaches style that would be one thing. The case here is that this bunch overachieved to be the seventh worst club in the League. We saw what they really are last year. I don’t really want to hear how they’ve been abused by the coach and the staff. They stink.

So does the coaching staff. They aren't any more deserving of deference than the players are.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Those statements...

sheesh... making it a generational thing "these guys today" inferring guys are soft, saying believes in basically always calling out things in front of everyone, and happy it creates division and tension, saying is open but wont speak to players, not liking specific "styles" of play. Not exactly a surprise, it is who he has always been but yeh... the league has moved on.

We have Tony Pulis as a coach when the top teams have Jurgen Klopps and Pep Guardiolas.

Fine for a relegation battle... but yeh... there are no relegation battles in the NHL.

He has had no use in this league since the 12/13 season, or thereabouts. Once scoring started going back up and skill began proliferating he was finished. Sutter was on that road and he adapted. Tortorella proudly refuses to change.

He doesn't understand offense. He can't defend it. More and more teams are increasingly scoring by setting up rushes in-zone from the blue line rather than strictly from down low. Maybe if he made an attempt to understand that the team would stop passing out of the high slot to get pucks deep rather than driving at the net, and maybe he'd realize collapsing low on defense yields too much space up high for those rushes.

With just a little open mindedness, adaptability, and work he could grasp these things. He's made it clear he doesn't want to. He's trying to pretend the game hasn't changed since the DPE, that the outlier mini-DPE post-cap implementation is the real norm and not the rising offense.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

Torts' comment, " I think we're too g**d*** sensitive here about simple coaching," works perfectly to describe much of this board.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Torts' comment, " I think we're too g**d*** sensitive here about simple coaching," works perfectly to describe much of this board.

Certainly the section of it that can't stop whining about people rightly criticizing a coach who proclaimed he wouldn't do his job and according to players and his own actions, didn't do his job.

Simple coaching? That's understatement. The simplest possible coaching. Slagging players publicly while refusing to talk to them, f***ing them over in front of their families for no reason, and limiting his contribution to "we are scoring too much so we will stop," "get pucks outside and deep from the slot" and "yield high ice to opponents." But hey, he supports open bigotry so I guess you love that.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Torts' comment, " I think we're too g**d*** sensitive here about simple coaching," works perfectly to describe much of this board.

Thank you for gracing us with your presence.

 

[kudymen]

Quickly to the "defendooooagainstthemooooooob-mobile"!

 

[renberg]

So does the coaching staff. They aren't any more deserving of deference than the players are.

This stand is the typical one where the belief is that changing the coaching staff is the move that will turn it all around. That’s not the case here. The Flyers have been bad through a decade of coached. No one has a magic wand that is going to hit this gang of hockey misfits and dogs and turn them into winners.

 

[Beef Invictus]

This stand is the typical one where the belief is that changing the coaching staff is the move that will turn it all around. That’s not the case here. The Flyers have been bad through a decade of coached. No one has a magic wand that is going to hit this gang of hockey misfits and dogs and turn them into winners.

Nobody at all believes changing coaches will fix the cavernous hole Fletcher dug. But considering they're part of the reason the team will struggle to move forward (especially if the cater to the MORE GRINDERS request), it's a necessary part of making the team better.

It's long been my stance that everyone needs to be fired and every player likely needs to be changed. The roster is a major problem. Management is a major problem. Scouting is a major problem. Development is a major problem. Coaching is a major problem. Training and their attitudes towards injury are major problems. Hell, the business, media, and marketing sides are major problems. It all needs to be purged and revolutionized into this century.

 

[freakydallas13]

What coaching? The sensitive arrogant weakling is getting all worked up over something that didn't happen

"The team needs to be working hard, it's their job!" Says the head coach who doesn't coach whenever he feels like it.

 

[ponder719]

This stand is the typical one where the belief is that changing the coaching staff is the move that will turn it all around. That’s not the case here. The Flyers have been bad through a decade of coached. No one has a magic wand that is going to hit this gang of hockey misfits and dogs and turn them into winners.

And through a decade of different players, and rotating imbeciles in the GM chair. The rot runs deep, far deeper than that, and we can only hope that the current leadership is genuinely planning to excise it. I'm willing to wait and see, but I wouldn't say I'm hopeful, given what we've heard thus far. Depending on who we see in the PoHO chair, and whether the "foundational titans" truly are only consulted at the pleasure of the management team, my optimism will rise or fall. Can't tell yet.

 

[freakydallas13]

Torts' comment, " I think we're too g**d*** sensitive here about simple coaching," works perfectly to describe much of this board.

Whatever you say, slugger.

 

[Magua]

Now will the coach ever learn how to accept accountability? I have my doubts.

Where exactly does having the worst goal scoring and chance generating PP rank in terms of "simple coaching"? How about stubbornly refusing to not use 2 defenders the entirety of overtimes?

Accountability and learning is for players apparently, not coaches.

 

[Beef Invictus]

And through a decade of different players, and rotating imbeciles in the GM chair. The rot runs deep, far deeper than that, and we can only hope that the current leadership is genuinely planning to excise it. I'm willing to wait and see, but I wouldn't say I'm hopeful, given what we've heard thus far. Depending on who we see in the PoHO chair, and whether the "foundational titans" truly are only consulted at the pleasure of the management team, my optimism will rise or fall. Can't tell yet.

The idea that Briere just needs to sell a few guys and make some good picks to get things going the right way is the path to disappointment. Plugging new players into an organization this intensely broken will get them nowhere.

There's so much that's completely broken that they need to start from scratch like they're kicking off an expansion team but without the benefit of an expansion draft.

 

[tucson83]

This stand is the typical one where the belief is that changing the coaching staff is the move that will turn it all around. That’s not the case here. The Flyers have been bad through a decade of coached. No one has a magic wand that is going to hit this gang of hockey misfits and dogs and turn them into winners.

and thing is there's no quick fix in fa either, there's no difference makers in fa this year, there's really nothing the coaching staff and gm briere can do right now, that's what they have been saying, hopefully the players that from the phantoms can come up and make a difference for this team next year and maybe we will make a push. like they said, it's on them to take the next step. i would say this, even they got a star in this year's fa, it could be the same result as this year.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Where exactly does having the worst goal scoring and chance generating PP rank in terms of "simple coaching"? How about stubbornly refusing to not use 2 defenders the entirety of overtimes?

Accountability and learning is for players apparently, not coaches.

My favorite thing is that even with a stubborn refusal to learn or change, Tortorella still managed to be more flexible and adaptable than all of AV, Hakstol, and Berube were.

This team is generational at finding these guys.

 

[Beef Invictus]

and thing is there's no quick fix in fa either, there's no difference makers in fa this year, there's really nothing the coaching staff and gm briere can do right now, that's what they have been saying, hopefully the players that from the phantoms can come up and make a difference for this team next year and maybe we will make a push. like they said, it's on them to take the next step. i would say this, even they got a star in this year's fa, it could be the same result as this year.

A reminder for everyone that Tucson here opposed building through the draft and also opposed building through FA, so good luck figuring out what they're supposed to do

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Let's say you completely agree with Tortorella. What the hell is the upside of saying it?

This is always what it comes back to with him. He's only interested in doing things his way. The Flyers specialize in reducing their own ceiling.

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

Yep! Absolutely no idea why. I’d get it if I constantly made fun of Elon because he’s a sensitive bitch boy…but I didn’t. It’s really weird

Yeah Elon is a . He gets triggered so easy

 

[deadhead]

This stand is the typical one where the belief is that changing the coaching staff is the move that will turn it all around. That’s not the case here. The Flyers have been bad through a decade of coached. No one has a magic wand that is going to hit this gang of hockey misfits and dogs and turn them into winners.

Flyers have been a country club franchise for a long time.
That's being fixed.
A better environment to bring in young talent and develop it.

They're identifying keepers, notice other than Provorov, no one seems to be interested in fleeing "hard ass" Torts, if they were, agents would be leaking stories left and right.

I mean you really gonna miss Hayes, JVR, Bellows, Lemieux, Provorov, TDA, Braun if they're gone next season? Laughton has played hard but he's 29, same with Seeler.