John Tortorella Named (Part Time) Head Coach Discussion

[Hollywood Cannon]

Also, he made $20M over fifteen years (not including Rangers money by the statement that was made) so who needs $16M over four years?

Torts is a bigger moron and narcissist than I thought if he came here thinking that it would cement his place in the HOF. The most likely scenario that we see is that it cements his place as a blow hard nobody that did something decades ago. So really he’s the perfect Flyer.

 

[Fight4yourRight]

He made $13M in CBJ, $2M in Vancouver and a few million in TB. Say $20M overall, so $12M after taxes.
And a nice salary if he just stays a talking head working part-time.
Since he doesn't seem to have an extravagant lifestyle, more than enough for a comfortable retirement on a gentleman's farm.

So while the money didn't hurt, I think he was driven by love of the game, he knew what he was getting into, he's said the rebuild might not be over before his contract expires - I think he loves the challenge, rebuild a 3rd team, get them deep in the playoffs and he's got a spot in the HOF.

The way cuck and co have set this team back with their invariably horrible decisions, bleeding futures, this team is not going to finish rebuilding until ~2032. They won’t even sniff the playoffs within the next decade.

 

[freakydallas13]

Torts said the rebuild might not be done the time his contract is up?! When the f*** did he say that? Actually, when has he stated this team is rebuilding at all?

Literally no one in this organization has stated this team is rebuilding. Spare me your "they didn't use their words but their actions!" diatribe. No one has claimed they're rebuilding, and their actions like trading picks for TDA actually say they're trying to compete.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Torts said the rebuild might not be done the time his contract is up?! When the f*** did he say that? Actually, when has he stated this team is rebuilding at all?

Literally no one in this organization has stated this team is rebuilding. Spare me your "they didn't use their words but their actions!" diatribe. No one has claimed they're rebuilding, and their actions like trading picks for TDA actually say they're trying to compete.

They aren't exactly trying to develop future players, either.

 

[Fight4yourRight]

“Stabilizing year” “trying to figure out what we got,” etc. English is technically my second language however I would understand that as not meaning “rebuilding”, but rather simply keeping the shitty veteran roster players they currently
have and trying to compete as best as possible with them. They haven’t hinted at selling off assets for futures or selling cap space. And Cuck literally went as far as to say that last year, they relied too much on the youth. So clearly, the mandate is to compete with the current team above anything else.

And really, who gives a f*** what they say? Even if they said “we are rebuilding,” and the team continued to play Braun, Seeler, Sedlak, Deslauriers, Brown etc, they would have no leg to stand on.

 

[Beef Invictus]

“Stabilizing year” “trying to figure out what we got,” etc. English is technically my second language however I would understand that as not meaning “rebuilding”, but rather simply keeping the shitty veteran roster players they currently
have and trying to compete as best as possible with them. They haven’t hinted at selling off assets for futures or taking cap space. And Cuck literally went as far as to say that last year, they relied too much on the youth. So clearly, the mandate is to compete with the current team above anything else.

And really, who gives a f*** what they say? Even if they said “we are rebuilding,” and the team continued to play Braun, Seeler, Sedlak, Deslauriers, Brown etc, they would have no leg to stand on.

Ah yes, the thing Fletcher has always done.

 

[deadhead]

“Stabilizing year” “trying to figure out what we got,” etc. English is technically my second language however I would understand that as not meaning “rebuilding”, but rather simply keeping the shitty veteran roster players they currently
have and trying to compete as best as possible with them. They haven’t hinted at selling off assets for futures or selling cap space. And Cuck literally went as far as to say that last year, they relied too much on the youth. So clearly, the mandate is to compete with the current team above anything else.

And really, who gives a f*** what they say? Even if they said “we are rebuilding,” and the team continued to play Braun, Seeler, Sedlak, Deslauriers, Brown etc, they would have no leg to stand on.

Show me a rebuilding team that played all prospects the first year of a rebuild.
Colorado 2016-17 (rock bottom, 48 points):
Comeau (30), Bourque (35), Iginla (39), Mitchell (32), Beauchemin (36), Soderberg (31), Tyutin (33)

guys 25 and under:
MacKinnon (21) #1
Zadorov (21) #16 (4th year from Buffalo)
Landeskog (24) #2
Grigorenko (22) #12 (from Buffalo)
Rantanen (20) #10
Andrighetto (23)

Nieto (24) 43g
Gilanos (25) 27g
Compher (21) 21g
Lindholm (22) 12g
Jost (18) #10 6g
Greer (20) 5g
Siemens (23) 4g
Grimaldi (23) 4g

 

[deadhead]

“Stabilizing year” “trying to figure out what we got,” etc. English is technically my second language however I would understand that as not meaning “rebuilding”, but rather simply keeping the shitty veteran roster players they currently
have and trying to compete as best as possible with them. They haven’t hinted at selling off assets for futures or selling cap space. And Cuck literally went as far as to say that last year, they relied too much on the youth. So clearly, the mandate is to compete with the current team above anything else.

And really, who gives a f*** what they say? Even if they said “we are rebuilding,” and the team continued to play Braun, Seeler, Sedlak, Deslauriers, Brown etc, they would have no leg to stand on.

“A lot of thinking I have is more long term and developing,” Tortorella said. “And we have to go about it that way, no matter what people think. Win now? We’re going about it in a process-type way. And we’re going to be patient in trying to build this team.”

“I know it’s very aggressive thinking out here, in wanting to get back into it,” Tortorella said. “I feel that around me. But I think … I guess the way I’ll put it to you: If you want to win, and you want to be that team on the rails again, and a competitive Philadelphia Flyer organization, we need to build from within. I guess that’s the best way for me to put it. And that takes time.”

Can Tortorella save the Flyers? 'There won't be any patience for not buying in'

This season likely won't result in many wins for the Flyers but Tortorella is selling a long-term plan.

theathletic.com

"I know there's been talk about a quick fix. It's not a quick fix. I'm telling you right now," the 64-year-old said on NBC Sports Philadelphia's latest Takeoff with John Clark podcast. "It's not a quick fix and I'm not going to go about it that way to please people because then I don't think you have your foundation. I want to be able to leave here ... I may not even be the coach here when you're winning, but I want to be here and do it the right way so I leave it in a good spot that it can keep on growing."

- Yahoo Sports

sports.yahoo.com

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck . . .

 

[freakydallas13]

Show me a rebuilding team that played all prospects the first year of a rebuild.
Colorado 2016-17 (rock bottom, 48 points):
Comeau (30), Bourque (35), Iginla (39), Mitchell (32), Beauchemin (36), Soderberg (31), Tyutin (33)

guys 25 and under:
MacKinnon (21) #1
Zadorov (21) #16 (4th year from Buffalo)
Landeskog (24) #2
Grigorenko (22) #12 (from Buffalo)
Rantanen (20) #10
Andrighetto (23)

Nieto (24) 43g
Gilanos (25) 27g
Compher (21) 21g
Lindholm (22) 12g
Jost (18) #10 6g
Greer (20) 5g
Siemens (23) 4g
Grimaldi (23) 4g

Show me a rebuilding team that trades picks, cements vets, and hands out contracts like the Flyers do.

 

[deadhead]

Show me a rebuilding team that trades picks, cements vets, and hands out contracts like the Flyers do.

Before the rebuild started? Just about everyone - because rebuilds usually begin when the team has exhausted every avenue to try and stay competitive, and finally has to accept reality.

 

[freakydallas13]

“A lot of thinking I have is more long term and developing,” Tortorella said. “And we have to go about it that way, no matter what people think. Win now? We’re going about it in a process-type way. And we’re going to be patient in trying to build this team.”

“I know it’s very aggressive thinking out here, in wanting to get back into it,” Tortorella said. “I feel that around me. But I think … I guess the way I’ll put it to you: If you want to win, and you want to be that team on the rails again, and a competitive Philadelphia Flyer organization, we need to build from within. I guess that’s the best way for me to put it. And that takes time.”

Can Tortorella save the Flyers? 'There won't be any patience for not buying in'

This season likely won't result in many wins for the Flyers but Tortorella is selling a long-term plan.

theathletic.com

"I know there's been talk about a quick fix. It's not a quick fix. I'm telling you right now," the 64-year-old said on NBC Sports Philadelphia's latest Takeoff with John Clark podcast. "It's not a quick fix and I'm not going to go about it that way to please people because then I don't think you have your foundation. I want to be able to leave here ... I may not even be the coach here when you're winning, but I want to be here and do it the right way so I leave it in a good spot that it can keep on growing."

- Yahoo Sports

sports.yahoo.com

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck . . .

Dead, these are empty platitudes that 95% of coaches will say. Things like "build from within" and a "process type of way" don't mean the team is rebuilding. Nearly every (if not every) team in the leauge is using a process and building from within.

Before the rebuild started? Just about everyone - because rebuilds usually begin when the team has exhausted every avenue to try and stay competitive, and finally has to accept reality.

Are you saying management expected the 2021/2022 Flyers to be competing? Because OOF if so.

Also, this team is cementing vets right now. It traded a bunch of picks like 4 months ago for a short term defensive upgrade. What rebuilding team does that? What about resigning Risto last season after it was already lost and it was clear this team realized it needed to rebuild? This team is handing out contracts like Cout's instead of trading him for a haul less than a year before it realized it needed to rebuild? The only way that can be explained is if this management group is so incredibly dense they thought they would be competing in the near future as late as half way through last season. If that's the case, this group of managers should be fired on the spot, because they lack the ability to plan for an inevitable rebuild more than 6 months in advance even when every rube on this board saw it coming years ago.

 

[bennysflyers16]

JFC, can’t even let the statement that he took the job because of $$$ go without taking the other side.

One can only hope to have an ounce of the commitment level towards something over their lifetime.

 

[swami24]

Dead, these are empty platitudes that 95% of coaches will say.

In all honesty, what else would you expect? Media (air, print and social) will jump all over anyone who speaks their mind....note the responses to his candid between period quip.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Before the rebuild started? Just about everyone - because rebuilds usually begin when the team has exhausted every avenue to try and stay competitive, and finally has to accept reality.

They've done most of these things after the rebuild supposedly started.

Because they're not rebuilding.

 

[deadhead]

Dead, these are empty platitudes that 95% of coaches will say. Things like "build from within" and a "process type of way" don't mean the team is rebuilding. Nearly every (if not every) team in the leauge is using a process and building from within.

Also, this team is cementing vets right now. It traded a bunch of picks like 4 months ago for a short term defensive upgrade. What rebuilding team does that? What about resigning Risto last season after it was already lost and it was clear this team realized it needed to rebuild? This team is handing out contracts like Cout's instead of trading him for a haul less than a year before it realized it needed to rebuild? The only what that can be explained is if this management group is so incredibly dense they thought they would be competing in the near future as late as half way through last season. If that's the case, this group of managers should be fired on the spot, because they lack the ability to plan for an inevitable rebuild more than 6 months in advance even when every rube on this board saw it coming years ago.

Problem was it wasn't clear to the team, Scott was sincere in January when he called for an "aggressive reload" and to compete in 2022-23. Fletcher tried to lower expectations (we need more elite talent under 25 is code for "draft high") but was careful not to cross his boss.

It was only after Torts was hired that reality finally set in, because Torts gave them no choice.

Deslauriers was for 'tude, a minor transaction that impacts nothing ($500K cost to bury).

TDA was a 27 year old player with 1st rd skills we acquired for a 2nd, 3rd and 4th, and we get the 2nd back if we don't sign JOB.

That's it, no dumping JVR to sign JG, which they would have done if they thought it was a short-term reload.

Braun, 1 year deal, TDL bait. Seeler, 1 year, 2nd year two way. Also TDL trade bait if he keeps playing well. MacEwen, 1 year deal.

Rebuilding teams phase out veterans over a 3 year period, gradually replacing them with prospects, no successful rebuild does it overnight by loading the lineup with inexperienced prospects.

People around here want a rebuild, they just don't want to watch it.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Problem was it wasn't clear to the team, Scott was sincere in January when he called for an "aggressive reload" and to compete in 2022-23. Fletcher tried to lower expectations (we need more elite talent under 25 is code for "draft high") but was careful not to cross his boss.

It was only after Torts was hired that reality finally set in, because Torts gave them no choice.

Deslauriers was for 'tude, a minor transaction that impacts nothing ($500K cost to bury).

TDA was a 27 year old player with 1st rd skills we acquired for a 2nd, 3rd and 4th, and we get the 2nd back if we don't sign JOB.

That's it, no dumping JVR to sign JG, which they would have done if they thought it was a short-term reload.

Braun, 1 year deal, TDL bait. Seeler, 1 year, 2nd year two way. Also TDL trade bait if he keeps playing well. MacEwen, 1 year deal.

Rebuilding teams phase out veterans over a 3 year period, gradually replacing them with prospects, no successful rebuild does it overnight by loading the lineup with inexperienced prospects.

People around here want a rebuild, they just don't want to watch it.

Scott has zero idea what is going on. His expectations were being set by Fletcher. Fletcher wasn't trying to cross his boss, he was the reason his boss thought they could compete.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

The shitty roster gave them no choice and yet they’re still not rebuilding.

They are falling ass backwards into a rebuild. None of this is by design.

 

[Beef Invictus]

And they are fighting it every step of the way, hence why Zamula isn't playing at all, York is down, Laczynski was scuttled in favor of Brown, etc.

 

[SolidSnakeUS]

Scott has zero idea what is going on. His expectations were being set by Fletcher. Fletcher wasn't trying to cross his boss, he was the reason his boss thought they could compete.

The fact he named what's his f***ing face last year as a stand out (it is alluding the shit out of me right now), who is a nobody, shows how little he f***ing knows or cares.

What is her name, the one coming right up under Scott in the rankings and she has control of the marketing? Yeah, she would know more about this f***ing team than Scott.

 

[freakydallas13]

Problem was it wasn't clear to the team, Scott was sincere in January when he called for an "aggressive reload" and to compete in 2022-23. Fletcher tried to lower expectations (we need more elite talent under 25 is code for "draft high") but was careful not to cross his boss.

It was only after Torts was hired that reality finally set in, because Torts gave them no choice.

Deslauriers was for 'tude, a minor transaction that impacts nothing ($500K cost to bury).

TDA was a 27 year old player with 1st rd skills we acquired for a 2nd, 3rd and 4th, and we get the 2nd back if we don't sign JOB.

That's it, no dumping JVR to sign JG, which they would have done if they thought it was a short-term reload.

Braun, 1 year deal, TDL bait. Seeler, 1 year, 2nd year two way. Also TDL trade bait if he keeps playing well. MacEwen, 1 year deal.

Rebuilding teams phase out veterans over a 3 year period, gradually replacing them with prospects, no successful rebuild does it overnight by loading the lineup with inexperienced prospects.

People around here want a rebuild, they just don't want to watch it.

So you're telling me this management group (who get paid millions to manage this franchise) didn't see a rebuild 6 months away, when 95% of the posters on a internet message board saw this was coming years ago?

Tell me again why a management group that doesn't have the foresight to see six months into the future (something that was painfully obvious to internet posters well before that) should be kept? Chuck, the advisors, and everyone should be fired because they are managing a team worse than the average joe could. It's an absolute farce any of them are still employed, and incredibly hilarious all of your effort has gone into posting things that defend their actions. You have faith that a group of people so incredibly dense and shortsighted are the ones to guide this this team through a rebuild they haven't admitted they are doing?

What are you smoking?

 

[freakydallas13]

In all honesty, what else would you expect? Media (air, print and social) will jump all over anyone who speaks their mind....note the responses to his candid between period quip.

I'm not blaming the coaches for saying things like this, but pushing back on the idea you should assume a coach saying things like "using a process" and "building from within" means their team is rebuilding, when it's nothing more than standard coach talk that pretty much every NHL coach is going to say when they are hired.

 

[Rebels57]

The fact he named what's his f***ing face last year as a stand out (it is alluding the shit out of me right now), who is a nobody, shows how little he f***ing knows or cares.

What is her name, the one coming right up under Scott in the rankings and she has control of the marketing? Yeah, she would know more about this f***ing team than Scott.

The legendary Gerald Mayhew

A few weeks later he was waived

 

[Flyerfan4life]

The legendary Gerald Mayhew

A few weeks later he was waived

#legend

 

[SolidSnakeUS]

The legendary Gerald Mayhew

A few weeks later he was waived

Watch Scott come out with Chuck doing another "state of the team" press conference and drop his name again. I can't f***ing wait.

 

[Curufinwe]

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck . . .

The team signed veterans like Seeler, Braun and Risto and is playing all of them ahead of prospects like Zamula, York, and Attard. That's not a rebuild. That's a GM desperately trying to make the playoffs so he doesn't get fired.

TDA was a 27 year old player with 1st rd skills we acquired for a 2nd, 3rd and 4th, and we get the 2nd back if we don't sign JOB.

TA is a defenseman who can't defend, and has huge personal baggage. Just watch him chase a guy to the boards leaving the middle of the ice wide open.