John Tortorella Named (Part Time) Head Coach Discussion

[04hockey]

Hayes being a key voice is going to be shit. Pure shit.

maybe he WASN'T the locker room problem.....ever think of that ?
soon, we'll all know .....think positive, brand new year

 

[Embiid]

Oops wrong thread.

Correct. The thread is very wrong...

 

[renberg]

maybe he WASN'T the locker room problem.....ever think of that ?
soon, we'll all know .....think positive, brand new year

Hayes’ strong verbal support of Yandle was disgusting. Yandle was the worst player to wear a Flyer jersey and get consistent PT in the history of the franchise. What Hayes said about Yandle having his iron man streak was awful. Yandle was gifted unwarranted PT and blocked others from ice time. Hayes is a problem.

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

Hayes being a key voice is going to be shit. Pure shit.

Great post.

Hayes’ strong verbal support of Yandle was disgusting. Yandle was the worst player to wear a Flyer jersey and get consistent PT in the history of the franchise. What Hayes said about Yandle having his iron man streak was awful. Yandle was gifted unwarranted PT and blocked others from ice time. Hayes is a problem.

Great post.

 

[04hockey]

again..... Flyers are starting anew.....let's see how they progress thru training camp.....

can all the naysayers just wait before criticizing ?

can't change any/all that happened last year, give these guys some room to breath and
maybe form some comradery

 

[freakydallas13]

again..... Flyers are starting anew.....let's see how they progress thru training camp.....

can all the naysayers just wait before criticizing ?

can't change any/all that happened last year, give these guys some room to breath and
maybe form some comradery

What has this team done in the last decade to deserve leeway?

 

[FlyerNutter]

I actually don’t hate Torts. Yet being the key word. I’m open to giving him a chance at least.

Even if he gets them playing better, the ceiling is ultimately nothing to cheer about. He can work miracles, but without a commitment to some high end picks for a few years - his work is essentially for naught.

 

[Beef Invictus]

I actually don’t hate Torts. Yet being the key word. I’m open to giving him a chance at least.

Even if he gets them playing better, the ceiling is ultimately nothing to cheer about. He can work miracles, but without a commitment to some high end picks for a few years - his work is essentially for naught.

He's the best coaching hire since Lavi.

 

[BlackandOrange]

The whole Yandle thing was ridiculous. He looked good in the pre-season, but he should have been scratched by game #3 as everyone got their legs back. I felt like the team was wearing their jerseys backwards with their names on the front and the Flyers crest on the back. Team over player. This should not be a gimme league or team. Hard to be motivated as a player when a much worse player constantly gets rewarded.

Hopefully Torts turns those jerseys around, and if Hayes can't see that, then hopefully he takes his off. I love that Hayes has a personality, but his stance on Yandle, I believe is just wrong.

He's the best coaching hire since Lavi.

I like what Torts (Angry Fred Penner) has gotten out of clubs with poor Center depth.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Lack of accountability begins up high.

 

[Embiid]

He's the best coaching hire since Lavi.

And we saw how that turned out for Lavi when Holmgren and Snider sabotaged him with lousy management...

 

[Redpath]

Funny that there are such locker rooms concerns, to the point where a new coach will publicly say so before even having coached a minute before camp has started, when a huge selling point of the 2021 offseason was bringing in locker room guys.

It is a relief to hear Torts criticize the roster make-up, but I am skeptical that his attitude alone is going to make enough of a difference.

 

[deadhead]

Hayes wasn't throwing the guy who stood by him through the death of his brother under the bus.

And I suspect the locker room understood that, and didn't hold that against him - given the circumstances, NOT having his friend's back would have raised far more eyebrows.

 

[deadhead]

Tortz has locker-room converns...I bet it revolves around Hayes and "friends"...

John Tortorella has ‘major concerns’ about Flyers’ locker room

If you think the Flyers’ locker room is in a bad place without Claude Giroux, John Tortorella probably agrees with you.

www.broadstreethockey.com

These problems pre-date Hayes, or have you forgotten the 2018-19 season so quickly?
Gordon lost control of the team, AV got them in shape for one season, then lost them. Yeo didn't have the cred to whip them back into shape.

Torts won't cut them any slack, and Thompson can beat up anyone on the team.

 

[Magua]

Hayes wasn't throwing the guy who stood by him through the death of his brother under the bus.

And I suspect the locker room understood that, and didn't hold that against him - given the circumstances, NOT having his friend's back would have raised far more eyebrows.

Oh, please. There's a lot of ground between throwing under the bus and publicly saying it's a mistake.

“Decisions need to be made every day. Us players don’t make those decisions. It’s truly on us, the reason he probably had to sit out a game. I can’t say I agree with it. The impact that Keith has on myself and the guys in that locker room is something that can’t be measured. I mean, I know sometimes the media is all over him, but what he provides to some of the young guys on this team is something that no one else can do."

It's as easy as saying: "It's not my call, but I love Keith Yandle. He's one of my best friends. He's honest with himself, understands the business, nothing lasts forever. That streak was a helluva accomplishment, and even if he's not playing, he's still going to be positive and encouraging."

Keith Yandle can be a fine person -- and he could've still contributed in such capacity from the press box, instead of providing those same young players with no ice time and magic words at intermission down 5-0 -- but he was quite literally the worst player in the league. Getting caved analytically is one thing, but getting caved in goal differential is so obvious, even to players. His effort level was truly dog shit; he knew he was washed out there -- played anyway. Whining about the worst player in the league's silly asterisk streak is the opposite of "winning culture."

 

[Rebels57]

Oh, please. There's a lot of ground between throwing under the bus and publicly saying it's a mistake.



It's as easy as saying: "It's not my call, but I love Keith Yandle. He's one of my best friends. He's honest with himself, understands the business, nothing lasts forever. That streak was a helluva accomplishment, and even if he's not playing, he's still going to be positive and encouraging."

Keith Yandle can be a fine person -- and he could've still contributed in such capacity from the press box, instead of providing those same young players with no ice time and magic words at intermission down 5-0 -- but he was quite literally the worst player in the league. Getting caved analytically is one thing, but getting caved in goal differential is so obvious, even to players. His effort level was truly dog shit; he knew he was washed out there -- played anyway. Whining about the worst player in the league's silly asterisk streak is the opposite of "winning culture."

Nah Yandle is a selfish twat. Giving up pucks to avoid contact and in turn hurting his teams just to chase a worthless streak makes him one.

 

[deadhead]

Oh, please. There's a lot of ground between throwing under the bus and publicly saying it's a mistake.



It's as easy as saying: "It's not my call, but I love Keith Yandle. He's one of my best friends. He's honest with himself, understands the business, nothing lasts forever. That streak was a helluva accomplishment, and even if he's not playing, he's still going to be positive and encouraging."

Keith Yandle can be a fine person -- and he could've still contributed in such capacity from the press box, instead of providing those same young players with no ice time and magic words at intermission down 5-0 -- but he was quite literally the worst player in the league. Getting caved analytically is one thing, but getting caved in goal differential is so obvious, even to players. His effort level was truly dog shit; he knew he was washed out there -- played anyway. Whining about the worst player in the league's silly asterisk streak is the opposite of "winning culture."

Getting carried away a little? Hayes doesn't have the pull people try to attribute to him.
Hayes, Yandle, Brassard had played for AV in NY. That's about it.

I doubt anyone in the clubhouse gave it a second thought, with the season lost, they probably felt there was no harm letting Yandle get the record. And how many hockey players are well versed in political double speak?

WIth Torts in town, Hayes has no influence, Atkinson will be the player everyone looks to, the players b/c he can clue them in on Torts, Torts b/c he knows Atkinson and trusts him.

 

[Magua]

Nah Yandle is a selfish twat. Giving up pucks to avoid contact and in turn hurting his teams just to chase a worthless streak makes him one.

That's sort of just who he's always been as a player, just now without one redeeming quality. As a person, I don't doubt he was popular among teammates, even while winning the green jacket. And he'll still go down as one of my most hated Flyers I've ever watched.

I'm not here debating it wasn't selfish to some degree -- his effort level was unquestionably poor; it wasn't just a matter of being washed -- but I more so fault the GM who signed a declining 35 year old to a 1 year, $900k contract with an unheard of NTC -- and all but assuredly promised this player he would not be scratched before he got his record. And thought it was a good move. Eek.

 

[EdmFlyersfan]

I actually don’t hate Torts. Yet being the key word. I’m open to giving him a chance at least.

Even if he gets them playing better, the ceiling is ultimately nothing to cheer about. He can work miracles, but without a commitment to some high end picks for a few years - his work is essentially for naught.

Torts is one of the few people I can tolerate on the current Flyers roster and management.

Getting carried away a little? Hayes doesn't have the pull people try to attribute to him.
Hayes, Yandle, Brassard had played for AV in NY. That's about it.

I doubt anyone in the clubhouse gave it a second thought, with the season lost, they probably felt there was no harm letting Yandle get the record. And how many hockey players are well versed in political double speak?

WIth Torts in town, Hayes has no influence, Atkinson will be the player everyone looks to, the players b/c he can clue them in on Torts, Torts b/c he knows Atkinson and trusts him.

Atkinson probably told Torts about this strain in the locker-room...

 

[Beef Invictus]

Getting carried away a little? Hayes doesn't have the pull people try to attribute to him.
Hayes, Yandle, Brassard had played for AV in NY. That's about it.

I doubt anyone in the clubhouse gave it a second thought, with the season lost, they probably felt there was no harm letting Yandle get the record. And how many hockey players are well versed in political double speak?

WIth Torts in town, Hayes has no influence, Atkinson will be the player everyone looks to, the players b/c he can clue them in on Torts, Torts b/c he knows Atkinson and trusts him.

Why do you think the team itself was broadcasting their friendship with Hayes as being a major selling point?

 

[blackjackmulligan]

maybe he WASN'T the locker room problem.....ever think of that ?
soon, we'll all know .....think positive, brand new year

Nah Hayes is to blame for the Flyers decades 40+ year of failure. Also his frat boys he brought in. Who are these frat boys he brought in by the way? Yandle maybe? Who else?

 

[Beef Invictus]

Nah Hayes is to blame for the Flyers decades 40+ year of failure. Also his frat boys he brought in. Who are these frat boys he brought in by the way? Yandle maybe? Who else?

This is known as a strawman argument

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

So we’re just ignoring the fact that he’s also friends with Atkinson?

Yeah, they didn’t give it a second thought when the season was lost but they had the thought the entire season leading up to that point. Keith Yandle was awful and defending him and Chuck is a losing endeavor.

They brought in, I don’t know, six players last year? Four were close to Hayes. I’m sure that’s just a coincidence.

 

[BernieParent]

Getting carried away a little? Hayes doesn't have the pull people try to attribute to him.
Hayes, Yandle, Brassard had played for AV in NY. That's about it.

I doubt anyone in the clubhouse gave it a second thought, with the season lost, they probably felt there was no harm letting Yandle get the record. And how many hockey players are well versed in political double speak?

WIth Torts in town, Hayes has no influence, Atkinson will be the player everyone looks to, the players b/c he can clue them in on Torts, Torts b/c he knows Atkinson and trusts him.

That's an incomplete timeline, dead. Yandle's sub-NHL play started way before the season began circling the bowl and was a contributor to it becoming lost. He helped to create the environment that sustained being able to play awfully and not miss a game.

 

[Beef Invictus]

So we’re just ignoring the fact that he’s also friends with Atkinson?

Yeah, they didn’t give it a second thought when the season was lost but they had the thought the entire season leading up to that point. Keith Yandle was awful and defending him and Chuck is a losing endeavor.

They brought in, I don’t know, six players last year? Four were close to Hayes. I’m sure that’s just a coincidence.

Of course we are going to ignore that player. Cherrypicking if facts to defend failed management is the name of the game.

Not only were they close to Hates, that friendship was trumpeted by the team and media as a major selling point. Hayes was carted out to comment on it.