John Tortorella is an Unemployed dumbass

[Bleedred]

Hart has been f***ing dog shit.

Rod switched to Bussi and now theyre on the cusp of winning.

One coach adapted. The other is shitting himself with rage for being questioned about sticking by the historically bad goalie.

He’s not historically bad bro! He was a really good prospect 10 years ago! He had some good seasons in Philly in between one of the worst seasons a goalie has had in the modern era bro!

 

[HabzSauce]

Torts is right, it is a stupid f***ing question.

Hart actually hasn't been bad. But the majority of people are low IQ mouth breathers who just see a court case, automatically hate the guy despite a not guilty verdict, and can't see past their biases. Sad.

Agreed.

Yanking Hart (the guy that got you there) this late in the finals for an ice cold .870% Adan Hill is quite the move!

 

[Bleedred]

The thing is Hart hasn’t really given up any goals you can say are really bad. He’s just not making the big ones .

Andersen was much worse

That’s fair.

I think he’s allowed one bad goal in almost every game. Svechnikov goal was it last night.

Andersen definitely looked a bit worse.

I didn’t think Hart allowed anything bad in game 4.

I think there were game 1 that I thought he could have had, but they won in spite of him.

 

[MoneyManny]

Maybe Vegas should consider switching to Cassidy instead

 

[Bleedred]

Agreed.

Yanking Hart (the guy that got you there) this late in the finals for an ice cold .870% Adan Hill is quite the move!

It worked for Carolina, but Hill has been a pile of trash all year long. Bussi has not been.

Hill has won the cup as a starter, but will probably go down as one of the most meh cup winning starters of the last several decades along with Binnington.

I need to get my armor ready for the people who will no doubt throw Molotovs at me for the Binnington slander.

 

[stopclickbait]

The thing is Hart hasn’t really given up any goals you can say are really bad. He’s just not making the big ones .

Andersen was much worse

You could argue he should have had the 5 hole goal by svech on the PP, but then again he made some big save all series. People do like to hate mob when they can though there are some weird media members/people out there.

Those thinking Adin Hill would be the gamechanger in this series. I got a Darnell Nurse, Morgan Rielly, Linus Ullmark contracts to sell ya.

 

[Lshap]

It worked for Carolina, but Hill has been a pile of trash all year long. Bussi has not been.

Hill has won the cup as a starter, but will probably go down as one of the most meh cup winning starters of the last several decades along with Binnington.

I need to get my armor ready for the people who will no doubt throw Molotovs at me for the Binnington slander.

When Binnington took over in January 2019, St. Louis was at the bottom of the league. From that point, he went 24-5 with a .930 SV% in the regular season, and continued that pace through the playoffs all the way to the Cup. It was one of the most spectacular half-year runs I can remember – the opposite of 'meh'.

He's also been Canada's goalie in international competitions, leading them to a Four Nations win.

The guy's been wildly inconsistent in nets and very questionable in his off-ice behaviour, but his peaks have been damn impressive.

 

[Ghost of Murph]

Win/loss records aren't necessarily the beat measurement of a goalie since they're a team stat

Sometimes. My point was that I'd have more confidence in switching to a goalie with a 31-6-2 record than one that is 10-9-6 and noticeably struggling much of the season, regardless of layoffs. On top of that Torts has to make the decision for an elimination game. No room for error. You don't put in a goalie who has been subpar with a crap record on a SCF team in that situation. You have to go with who got you there and hope for the best. Rod had a much better option and more leeway than Torts has.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Hart has been f***ing dog shit.

Rod switched to Bussi and now theyre on the cusp of winning.

One coach adapted. The other is shitting himself with rage for being questioned about sticking by the historically bad goalie.

Golden Knights might need their goalie to steal Game 6. Adin Hill has done it before

Vegas has reached a point of desperation. Hill could be the best chance at turning around the Stanley Cup Final.

www.nytimes.com

Bussy was great in the RS

What has Hill done since 2023?

 

[swissdude]

what the hell..... he also speaks fluent german!?

swiss german as well and even better probably

 

[adarebad]

Deutsch ist zeimlich einfach, einfacher als Englisch. Aber Flys Deutsch ist definitiv besser als meins.

Jeg vil hellere høre ham tale dansk......... ham og Frederik

 

[Marlowe Syn]

I get people are irritated with Tortorella's comments, but this is classic boilerplate Torts, he's been doing this for over 30 years.

He's Hollywood violence. If you aren't de-sensitized to him by now, you haven't been paying attention.

At least he's not quitting on THIS team.
Still gonna lose the Cup.

 

[Hinterland]

Agreed.

Yanking Hart (the guy that got you there) this late in the finals for an ice cold .870% Adan Hill is quite the move!

Akira Schmid led Vegas goalies by pretty much all metrics. Played the most games and minutes, too. If Torts doesn't trust Hill he still doesn't have an excuse to do nothing.

 

[Hinterland]

Deutsch ist zeimlich einfach, einfacher als Englisch. Aber Flys Deutsch ist definitiv besser als meins.

In what world is German easier than English? Studied both languages at university and English is significantly easier...even for me as a native German speaker. German grammar is a nightmare...

 

[Bleedred]

When Binnington took over in January 2019, St. Louis was at the bottom of the league. From that point, he went 24-5 with a .930 SV% in the regular season, and continued that pace through the playoffs all the way to the Cup. It was one of the most spectacular half-year runs I can remember – the opposite of 'meh'.

He's also been Canada's goalie in international competitions, leading them to a Four Nations win.

The guy's been wildly inconsistent in nets and very questionable in his off-ice behaviour, but his peaks have been damn impressive.

His career is a bit meh for a cup winning goalie is more what I meant. Not so much his playoff year.

Cam Ward’s overall career was pretty meh, but he did win the Conn Smythe in his cup year and his playoff run was more impressive than Binnington’s. Same with Bill Ranford, who was also a Conn Smythe winner and pretty impressive in his cup run.

I would say overall the more mediocre cup winning starting goalies were Hill and Niemi. Then probably Binnington.

Some will say Matt Murray, but he was looking like he was going to be very good at the start. Had the best start to his career of any goalie since Brodeur, but his flame out was almost as legendary as Jim Carey’s. Injuries destroyed him by 25.

Again, I’m talking overall careers here. Not goalie play in the actual years they won their cup.

 

[Voight]

Torts is right, it is a stupid f***ing question.

Hart actually hasn't been bad. But the majority of people are low IQ mouth breathers who just see a court case, automatically hate the guy despite a not guilty verdict, and can't see past their biases. Sad.

On the hockey subreddit, all is ee is people wrongfully accusing him of being a rapist LOL.

Carter Cosby I guess

 

[SeanMoneyHands]

Hart has been f***ing dog shit.

Rod switched to Bussi and now theyre on the cusp of winning.

One coach adapted. The other is shitting himself with rage for being questioned about sticking by the historically bad goalie.

Golden Knights might need their goalie to steal Game 6. Adin Hill has done it before

Vegas has reached a point of desperation. Hill could be the best chance at turning around the Stanley Cup Final.

www.nytimes.com

There's zero chance Torts makes a goalie change.

Hill should have started game 5. Four games is more than enough time to indicate that your goalie just doesn't have it.

But I don't put all the blame on Hart because Vegas D-Zone coverage has been Swiss cheese this series compared to the last against the president's trophy winner Colorado that they easily kept to the outside in four straight games.

 

[centipede2233]

Said before the series that serious cup aspiring teams don’t have Carter Hart and the 2026 version of Andersen in net.

Even though sometimes teams have won the cup with these types of goalies in recent years, but it’s been 16 years since both teams in the finals have a goalie like that as their starting goalie.

Carter Hart was absolute garbage in the regular season and looked like he was ready to be benched not even halfway through the Utah series in round one. Not at all surprised. And having to switch to Bussi was also so predictable it shouldn’t even have a payout.

The loss of Claude Lemieux was the KO punch

 

[SeanMoneyHands]

Doug Maclean says making the goalie change should be considered but leave it to the goalie coach

 

[Mobiandi]

Hill is the guy who actually won the cup for Vegas. I’d say he deserved a chance to get in for a game. Too late now

 

[TooManyHumans]

I disagree. We all saw how he acted in the wake of Gaudreau’s death. He gets a lot of respect from some people, despite the rep. That annoys people that dislike him, that have been talking negatively about him for years. Here he’s turned a team around and gotten them into the finals….but we’re going to be concerned about a microphone.

For a series that’s as exciting as this is it doesn’t have much drama, people want to see the villain be the villain. They don’t want to see him any other way. He was probably told not to touch the mic. They’re all probably told to not worry about the equipment, that the people responsible will handle it. People dislike him. They’re always looking for the next reason to point at him.

He did not need to be insulting over a very normal and mundane question. He chose to be. It certainly is not the end of the world and I am not upset about it, but it is totally fair to criticize him for it, and that criticism has nothing to do with his reputation or his history. If some random new coach I had never heard of acted the same way, I would also think it was fair to criticize them for it.

 

[lawrence]

Hill is the guy who actually won the cup for Vegas. I’d say he deserved a chance to get in for a game. Too late now

Hart has already given up 20 goals in 5 finals games Hurricanes have clearly figured him out. Starting Aiden Hill could make a difference. A goalie giving up 4 or more goals each night won’t get the job done. Vegas needed to put up five goals just to win both of their games, and relying on scoring five plus goals to secure a win is far too tough for any team. This might throw the Hurricanes off balance. nothing to lose

 

[TheGoldenJet]

Hart's save percentages in the Finals games:
.862
.846
,879
.852
.833
It damn sure isn't good.

Swiss
Cheese
Frfr

 

[Clode]

Everyone up in arms here meanwhile Jonny Laz (who asked the question) literally said it was the greatest thing that ever happened to him on his show this morning

 

[tabness]

Torts is right, it is a stupid f***ing question.

Hart actually hasn't been bad. But the majority of people are low IQ mouth breathers who just see a court case, automatically hate the guy despite a not guilty verdict, and can't see past their biases. Sad.

To be fair if Hart was playing better he'd probably silence a lot of this, remember the Kobe allegations way back when?