John Tavares would be ___ line C on your team?
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VanillaCoke
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1st line centre on 20 plus teams. Second on the rest. There isn't a team in the league he'd be third line centre, short of maybe Pittsburgh. But they'd move him to Malkin or Crosby's wing, and he'd probably score 60 goals.
I'd imagine they'd move PLD to Tavares' wing, to learn from him, in a more sheltered role. How often do you get a to give a good young player like PLD a former Hart runner up to learn from?
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I do'nt really think so. I've been told over and over again that Draisaitl doesn't score when he's split up with McDavid because he is playing with garbage when they're split up. Tavares has, for most of his career, produced with garbage on his line. In fact, he's made that garbage produce. So, I don't think you can really call both McDAvid and Draisaitl centres, at least not at the same time. And if you split Draisaitl up from McDavid, Tavares outproduces him. So, I think you call Tavares the second line centre there.
BAsically, I think Tavares could boost RNH's production like Draisaitl never could. He made Anders Lee a 40 goal scorer, FFS.
basically, split from McDAvid, TAvares outproduces Draisailt, so he would be second line centre there, in just about any scenario you come up with.
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Can I just say this is Exhibit A to counter anyone who says Tavares doesn't get overrated or the myth of Tavares isn't greater than what he actually is?
A post outlining how Tavares is better than Draisaitl is pretty much the epitome of why I call Tavares overrated.
I don't follow. Draisaitl obviously plays well with McDavid. But apart from one 5 or 6 week stretch in his career, he's never managed to do that away from McDavid. That's a fact. Tavares seems to score near a point per game no matter who he's with. Sure, he's had some great linemates the last ew years, but his production hasn't really changed much from the days of Anders Lee and Josh BAiley being his linemates. If he can produce point per game-ish with them, surely he can do so with RNH and whoever else. I think that would probably mean he almost surely becomes 2nd line centre there.
You know Drai has been centering his own line since about game 3 and is the leading scorer in the league right? I know a lot of people make the claim that without McDavid Drai can’t produce but before just buying into what the claim is take a look and see. Drai has shown he can produce every time he’s been separated from McDavid.
So you’re of the impression that Drai goes from 130+ pts a season to below ppg if he’s separated from McDavid?
5 of his 23 points have come without McDAvid so far this year. I'd say that pretty much makes you wrong.
He would solidify our empty 3C position quite well
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Everyone on every teams points come from the other good players. How many of Tavares points don’t have Marner, Matthews or Nylander? How many of Stamkos don’t come from Point, Kuch, Hedman? Lindholm and Gaudreau have a super high percentage. Why is it constantly ignored for every other player? Sure he’d get less points without McDavid, but even Crosby only added about 10pts a year to Kunitz. To suggest it’s actually 50+ points without factoring Tavares linemates is downright silly in my opinion. This is almost like implying that Drai needs to get 100 unassisted goals to be looked at as his own player.
I told you that he doesn't produce without McDAvid, and Tavares has a long history of producing with subpar linemates. You said he's been centering his own line most of the year.
If that's true, that line is not producing, given that they're (according to you), playing together so much.
That was sort of my point, thank you for proving it. I'm pretty confident Tavares could do better than 5 points on a line with RNH. Do you really not think he could manage just 5 points????
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Very small sample, but PLD is having an amazing season and is still very young. If this is the player he continues to be then he's probably closer to Tavares than you'd think. Big if though.
Figured I’d fact check this a bit, Drai has 9 points that don’t have McDavid involved. Not sure where you’re getting 5. How many points do you think Tavares would have in Drais role right now? 25? 30?
5 points with McDavid not on the ice. Surely you realize that simply being on the ice pulls coverage, don't you?
I do'nt know what Tavares would have right now, but history suggests about a point per game.
Nobody can really say for sure. But, if the Oilers had Tavares, they'd be asking him to centre a second scoring line, with what has been desribed as bad players (by oiler fans), and get some production. That's exactly what Draisailt has not been able to do his entire career, and what Tavares has done most of his.
How is this quantifiable then? McDavid simply being on the ice, now means that none of those points would have happened without him there? Honestly? Zero of them? In this scenario is Drai having to play short handed every shift? Or do the points he get that involve RNH not count? You do realize that someone has to be on the ice there right?
I'm not sure why it matters. The scenario presented is "a separate line", so what we're looking at, is without McDavid on the ice at all.
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That’s not entirely true. PP still exists. How many points does Tavares have without Marner on the ice this year? And where are you even getting these statistics?
I don't really feel like you're making much sense. What is being asked is, centre a second line (which is inherently without McDavid), and get some production aside from the first line going. Draisaitl hasn't done that. he scores like crazy with McDavid, but disappears without him.
Scoring with garbage linemates is something Tavares has done most of his career. Sure, it's been a few years since he's done it, but only because he doesn't have to in Toronto. If he can make Anders Lee a 40 goal scorer, and Josh Bailey a 70 point player, both of which have been 40 point players for the most part since he left, and score at a point per game himself, he's definitely going to be my first choice as 2nd line centre, to see if he can do the same for RNH and Kailer yamamoto. We already know Draisaitl can't do it.
He's getting up there in age, but it's a no brainer to me, he's obviously what I'd be trying there first.
Hell, get him on that PP, and maybe he's scoring 20 to 25 points as 2nd line centre at ES.
You think he would currently have 20-25 pts at ES!? And you never answered how many pts Tavares has with Marner on the ice or where you’re getting these stats.
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If Tavares were on the Flames, he would have to be playing with either one, or both, of Gaudreau and Tkachuk.
