John Tavares Discussion

[All Mod Cons]

I would of said point one and four. But I'll take it.

Have.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Good luck shipping out Tavares, Dubas made that particular boat anchor un-shippable.

Did he?

If the Leafs paid the bonus July 1st he would be owed...

Approx 5.6M per year in actual salary and he's been around a pt/game centre as a #2C...I think a team would take him. It would depend on how stubborn he would be in waiving.

 

[Phion Keneuf]

Him and Stamkos have been a wash this series. I’ll take it

 

[Stephen]

He also played in a slower era where those attributes were used better. Tavares was born 15 years too late. The way the game was in the mid 00's was perfect for tavares. I don't think there is as much difference as people want to think. I think it's just people want to shit on Tavares and pretend Sundin was a sun god.

There's no real throughline between Sundin and Tavares at all to really make the point that they're similar players and one or the other is underappreciated because don't know better. They're not comparable players at all, their teams and support casts and play styles aren't similar, any more than Doug Gilmour vs Auston Matthews.

 

[NJG]

That first point is phenomenal. Congrats

"Congrats." You missed the period. The actual word is Congratulations, not the dumbed down version of it. See? I can do that as well.

 

[All Mod Cons]

"Congrats." You missed the period. The actual word is Congratulations, not the dumbed down version of it. See? I can do that as well.

Love it.

 

[Holymakinaw]

….still more points then mr.-2 william Nylander and his 0
Points

You don't deserve to have a good team.

 

[Mopar]

Huge fan of Tavares. Loved the signing, love the player, love why he chose to play here. He looks damn good in blue and white.

I believe part of the problem here is this fan base is so spoiled watching Matthews and Marner perform at such an elite level that we don't appreciate JT. He just doesn't look as flashy or play the game at the pace that our two young superstars do. He's still a start C that makes this team better.

That said, he needs to be a factor offensively in the playoffs. When the games get tighter and we need a goal, he needs to score on that deflection or that rebound at a key time in a tight game. I'd like to see more of what we saw in his 47 goal season.

Bottom line, JT is one snipe from the slot away from being a hero in this city. Let's calm down a little on threads like this.

 

[Mad hatter]

He’s a streaky player, he’ll get hot soon I’m sure and make a positive impact on more then just the defensive side.
Go leafs Go

 

[BayStBullies]

Yawn.

 

[Aashir]

You don't deserve to have a good team.

Well, nylander and Tavares are apart of the team and people are acting like a 2-1 series lead means they are excused from their shitty play.

 

[Zur En Arrh]

There's no real throughline between Sundin and Tavares at all to really make the point that they're similar players and one or the other is underappreciated because don't know better. They're not comparable players at all, their teams and support casts and play styles aren't similar, any more than Doug Gilmour vs Auston Matthews.

I wasn't and am not saying they are similar players, I'm saying the situation they are in is similar. Both captains, both seen as underachievers in that role. Both were lit up daily on message boards. That's all I'm saying. I never said of meant to say they are equal or have similar skill sets. The only thing I see similar about them is their defense, slow, and good around the net.

 

[Leafblooded]

He didn’t even lead that team. Kadri was far and away the most impactful player in the forward group. Knights fan thought DelZotto was the best pickup in the deal.

He didn’t help London beat Windsor. I was a season late ticket holder and JT relied on back door tap ins and leaving the zone early. JT got his points at home but as soon as he was in Windsor and match ups happened he was invisible.

How familiar, sounds like things haven't changed much for Mr. Tavarish since the London days. Yet somehow he manages to cruise along with limited criticism. He's a gud pro, etc... Likely this was a Babcock signing after all

Why do you idiots always come out in the post season?


This. If there isn’t fancy dangles then the guys run of the mill. JT has never been that guy. People need to pay more attention

Why do you call people you don't know, idiots? Maybe you're the f***ing idiot, see how that solves nothing? You f***ing idiot?

 

[Leafblooded]

Throws around childish straw man arguments, and is an internet tough guy when you get called on it. GG bud.

Also... can't spell, yet calls people dumb.

 

[PromisedLand]

Tavares has 1 point in 3 games if am not mistaken. That 1 point is a secondary assist too where he didnt do much.

At 11 AAV we need more out of him. Nylander needs to get going too.

 

[keonsbitterness]

I'm disappointed we've yet to reach the bottom of the barrel with this thread. I need to know how Tavares ruined his midget, atom and Timbits teams, and how he got away with shoplifting his Leafs pajamas when he was three years old.

 

[frizzer1]

My take is that a one line team won’t be able to win a cup.
So far kampf et al have done well but you can’t depend on that continuing.
It’s the second line that is key. Having that centre being good on faceoffs and responsible defensively is not enough.
He and his line must contribute offensively and imo Tavares can’t do that anymore.

 

[WillyC]

Lol… was just checking out TBs forum… yup, they got the same bunch of entitled crybaby fans over there, that we have on here.

Imagine how awesome we’d be with two $4 million dollar players and not Stamkos?

How long do we have this anchor Stamkos on the books?

Worst re-signing ever.

It’s because of Stamkos we’re not winning.

 

[Leafblooded]

Lol… was just checking out TBs forum… yup, they got the same bunch of entitled crybaby fans over there, that we have on here.

Imagine how awesome we’d be with two $4 million dollar players and not Stamkos?

How long do we have this anchor Stamkos on the books?

Worst re-signing ever.

It’s because of Stamkos we’re not winning.

Yeah except he's helped them win back to back cups, while we here in Toronto haven't even seen one of those since the days of black and white TV

 

[Nylanderthal]

Yeah except he's helped them win back to back cups, while we here in Toronto haven't even seen one of those since the days of black and white TV

He played 2:19 in the first cup run.

 

[steam whistle]

Well, we have to live with it, not much we can do

 

[robertmac43]

I was curious about second-line centers from across the league so I quickly looked through the points of everyone and compiled the below list. I know points are not everything but I was mostly curious about productivity. Our replacement-level player on the second line is still one of the most produce 2C's in the league.

Obviously, this is not a perfect list, players move up and down the lineup and some split time between wing and center, etc. So take things with a grain of salt.

Here is the list;

Ducks - Henrique 58 GP; 19-23-42
Coyotes; Revolving door of players, no one really worth mentioning
Bruins; Haula - 78 GP, 18-26-44
Sabres; Mittelstadt - 40 GP, 6-13-19
Flames; Backlund - 82 GP, 12-27-39
Hurricanes; Trocheck - 81 GP, 21-30-51
Blackhawks; Toews - 71 GP, 12-25-37
Avalanche; Kadri - 71 GP, 28-59-87
Blue Jackets; Roslovic - 81 GP, 22-23-45
Stars; Seguin - 81 GP, 24-25-49
Red Wings; Fabri, 56 GP, 17-13-30
Oilers; Draisitl; 80 GP, 55-55-110
Panthers; Bennett; 71 GP, 28-21-49
Kings; Dabault; 79 GP, 27-24-51
Wild; Eriksson Ek; 77 GP, 26-23-49
Canadians; Evans; 72 GP, 13-16-29
Predators; Johansen; 79 GP, 26-37-63
Devils; Hischer; 70GP, 21-39-60
Islanders; Barzal 73 GP; 15-44-59
Rangers; Strome; 74 GP; 21-33-54
Senators; Stutzle; 79 GP; 22-36-58
Flyers; Laughton; 67 GP; 11-19-30
Penguins; Malkin; 41 GP; 20-22-42
Sharks; Couture; 77 GP; 23-33-56
Kraken; Wennberg; 80 GP; 11-26-37
Blues; Thomas; 72 GP; 20-57-77
Lightning; Cirelli; 76 GP; 17-36-43
Leafs Tavares; 79 GP; 27-49-76
Canucks; Pettersson; 80 GP; 32-36-68
Capitals; Backstrom; 47 GP; 6-35-31

Jets; Stastny; 71 GP; 21-24-45

 

[Leafblooded]

He played 2:19 in the first cup run.

Yeah, he also gave his homegrown team a discount to stay there, while the leafs wanted to overpay him just like they did to get Tavares. Sadly, Tavares doesn't sniff Stamkos when comparing their overall careers and accomplishments. He's way more worthy of his 8.5 mil contract than JT is worthy of his 11 mil

 

[Nylanderthal]

Yeah, he also gave his homegrown team a discount to stay there, while the leafs wanted to overpay him just like they did to get Tavares. Sadly, Tavares doesn't sniff Stamkos when comparing their overall careers and accomplishments. He's way more worthy of his 8.5 mil contract than JT is worthy of his 11 mil

Do you have anything else to contribute here other than complaining about a ppg 2 way C?

 

[Leafblooded]

I was curious about second-line centers from across the league so I quickly looked through the points of everyone and compiled the below list. I know points are not everything but I was mostly curious about productivity. Our replacement-level player on the second line is still one of the most produce 2C's in the league.

Obviously, this is not a perfect list, players move up and down the lineup and some split time between wing and center, etc. So take things with a grain of salt.

Here is the list;

Ducks - Henrique 58 GP; 19-23-42
Coyotes; Revolving door of players, no one really worth mentioning
Bruins; Haula - 78 GP, 18-26-44
Sabres; Mittelstadt - 40 GP, 6-13-19
Flames; Backlund - 82 GP, 12-27-39
Hurricanes; Trocheck - 81 GP, 21-30-51
Blackhawks; Toews - 71 GP, 12-25-37
Avalanche; Kadri - 71 GP, 28-59-87
Blue Jackets; Roslovic - 81 GP, 22-23-45
Stars; Seguin - 81 GP, 24-25-49
Red Wings; Fabri, 56 GP, 17-13-30
Oilers; Draisitl; 80 GP, 55-55-110
Panthers; Bennett; 71 GP, 28-21-49
Kings; Dabault; 79 GP, 27-24-51
Wild; Eriksson Ek; 77 GP, 26-23-49
Canadians; Evans; 72 GP, 13-16-29
Predators; Johansen; 79 GP, 26-37-63
Devils; Hischer; 70GP, 21-39-60
Islanders; Barzal 73 GP; 15-44-59
Rangers; Strome; 74 GP; 21-33-54
Senators; Stutzle; 79 GP; 22-36-58
Flyers; Laughton; 67 GP; 11-19-30
Penguins; Malkin; 41 GP; 20-22-42
Sharks; Couture; 77 GP; 23-33-56
Kraken; Wennberg; 80 GP; 11-26-37
Blues; Thomas; 72 GP; 20-57-77
Lightning; Cirelli; 76 GP; 17-36-43
Leafs Tavares; 79 GP; 27-49-76
Canucks; Pettersson; 80 GP; 32-36-68
Capitals; Backstrom; 47 GP; 6-35-31

Jets; Stastny; 71 GP; 21-24-45

He was signed as a bonafide 1C though, and he's also on a predictably steep decline. He makes more money than everyone on this list and has never done jack shit in the playoffs.

Do you have anything else to contribute here other than complaining about a ppg 2 way C?

Well, that's what this thread is about so...