John Tavares Discussion

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John Tavares doesn’t need to be a top contributor like Mitch Marner or Auston Matthews, but he does absolutely have to produce offensively. He’s playing with some of the top talents in the NHL on the top power-play unit and still struggles to score goals at even that level with the best players.

It’s good that he’s a face-off specialist, but if he’s not contributing offensively, then he’s not doing his job.

Keefe needs to put Nylander back with Tavares and stop trying to spread out the offense. Whether anyone wants to admit it or not, those two together do you have some chemistry along with Alexander Kerfoot.

Jason Spezza needs to be on the fourth line over Wayne Simmonds, put Mikheyev, Engvall and Kampf back together.

No offense to Engvall or Mikheyev, But those two are not top six for material, at least not yet. Just like William Nylander is Not a bottom six forward. It’s just bad coaching at this point.

At the end of the day, you can stand up for John Tavares and talk about this and talk about that, but if he doesn’t produce offensively, then nothing else he contributes really actually matters. He needs to contribute offensively and do so on a more regular basis. He’s not a bottom six forward that needs to chip in a goal every six or seven games, he needs to contribute like a second line player, that’s what he plays on, that’s what should be expected of him. He’s not bringing that, he’s not showing it on the ice.

People are giving him shit because he’s not performing at a level that he should be, not offensively, he’s not. Regular season stats don’t really mean much to me, he’s played on the top power-play unit with some of the most elite talent in the entire NHL, he’s going to get points just for standing there, that doesn’t impress me. Make a statement, win those 50-50 battles, make an impact, score a big goal, don’t struggle to skate up the ice and do so laboriously.

When he starts doing that, people won’t whine about him, it’s pretty much common sense. People were whining about Mitch Marner in the playoffs last season, but they absolutely had every right to do so, he was atrocious. Look what Mitch Marner did this season, worked on his game, developed his craft, decided to start being a factor instead of feeling sorry for himself. I know John Tavares is getting older, but it’s not like he’s 38, he’s got to start performing at a better level, that’s fact.
 
I've been ragging on him since he was an Islander. The signing was awful and I said it then. He has not once lived up to this 11m cap hit. I've generally hated his contribution since he came to the leafs. Kadri was better and half the price, and save for a few standout moments in the regular season, JT has just been a passenger.

His decline is ongoing, steeply dropping his already questionable value and his cap hit is a negative contribution to the team's success. If the Leafs manage to win, it will be in spite of JT. Imagine the team we could assemble if that 11 m of cap space wasn't taken up by one aging veteran.

I didn’t mind the signing at the time because who doesn’t like a big splashy new toy, but I will say for most of the 2010s whenever the various Stamkos vs Tavares, Toews vs Tavares comparisons came up I usually preferred the other guy. Tavares has that “Team Canada” aura around him where he’s always gotten the benefit of he doubt but the actual getting it done is kind of lukewarm.
 
Tampa will probably do a better job on Matthews/Marner now that they're at home, so it will be up to Tavares to step up and contribute offensively. If a guy like Kerfoot could have 5 points in 3 road games last year, it shouldn't be unreasonable to expect similar from JT
 
For 11 million dollars, he could be replaced by committee by 2-3 dudes that would be a whole lot more useful than having just one underperforming, aging and overpaid John Tavares
In another version of your fantasy world, he could be replaced by a string of 2-3 dudes who never work out and keep getting replaced.
 
only reliable way to get the best out of jt is to give him marner.

i'd be interested in giving that a look. wish we tried that more in the regular season. but yea.
Yes, Tavares' numbers would probably go up a bit playing with Marner (my numbers would probably go up playing with Mitch, and I'm a 70 year old defenceman), but Marner's would go down, and quite likely Matthews' as well.
 
I agree with this take, and have thought this was our best option for over a year now. He looks like such a better player as a winger.

Maybe something like:

Bunts - AM - Marner
Mikheyev - Kerfoot - Tavares

Fort he top 6. Or maybe you even bump Willy up and just try to put the pedal to the floor.
Agreed, although I'd rather see Nylander on the second line, and JT on the third.

But "you can't have your 11M Captain on the third line!"

(The biggest reason for that is that it would show how bad the signing was.)
 
At least JT has tons of money to keep him happy when fans turn on him and give him the Larry Murphy boos

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It’s pathetic if you read the beginning of this thread and then jump to the end and take in the hate towards JT.

I’m different though, I don’t ever trash any of our Maple Leafs… it’s not my thing, I’m just a life long fan who cheers them on every game, since the early 70s.
Whining about this player or that player when you personally don’t stand a chance of ever changing even one roster spot… not even for a shift, it’s just strange and sad to see so many pile on any of our Leafs.

We have a legitimate shot as any team to win the Stanley Cup… and until we are eliminated… we do this one game at a time.

When Tavares plays like he did at the beginning of this thread and Auston/Mitch keep doing what they do… that’s how we can win the Stanley Cup.

might be tomorrow night in Tampa.

GLG
 
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you mean the guy who never won anything? The guy who said he wouldn't be a rental /go to a team halfway through a season and did that exact thing a year later?

I love sundin and I was a member of message boards in 03/04 when he was getting hated on one day and loved the next. Tavares is grinding, blocking shots, winning faceoffs, being a pain in the ass. As the games to on and get slower and tighter it will be the pace he thrives in. I wouldn't doubt he scores a big goal in this series, a late series overtime goal or a dying seconds tieing a goal. Mark my words, he wants that cup.
The Leafs have won a total of 19 playoff rounds since 1967.

As captain, Sundin led them to 7 in 11 years.

All other captains combined have led them to 12 in 40 years.
 
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Tavares had 76 points this year?! To be honest this is the first time all season I actually looked at his stats. By the way people are talking I though he legit a down year. But that is still crazy production.
 
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It’s pathetic if you read the beginning of this thread and then jump to the end and take in the hate towards JT.

I’m different though, I don’t ever trash any of our Maple Leafs… it’s not my thing, I’m just a life long fan who cheers them on every game, since the early 70s.
Whining about this player or that player when you personally don’t stand a chance of ever changing even one roster spot… not even for a shift, it’s just strange and sad to see so many pile on any of our Leafs.

We have a legitimate shot as any team to win the Stanley Cup… and until we are eliminated… we do this one game at a time.

When Tavares plays like he did at the beginning of this thread and Auston/Mitch keep doing what they do… that’s how we can win the Stanley Cup.

might be tomorrow night in Tampa.

GLG
He was earning his massive contract by producing at the beginning of this thread. Now he's barely visible...it's really quite simple,

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He was earning his massive contract by producing at the beginning of this thread. Now he's barely visible...it's really quite simple,
I’m more of a win some lose some kind of guy… life’s too short.

It all feeds into this weird kind of entitlement growing into almost everything nowadays.
 
Tavares might come in handy once we get over the hump of the 1st round. Should we really go on a run. Tavares will become a factor. I wouldn't be overly critical on him right now. At worst the coaching team needs to find a replacement for Nylander ... as the Nylander line atm is the 2nd line when it comes to production.
 
If one of the big 4 is to be moved this off season (which will happen if we lose in round 1 again), it should be Tavares. He is not worth his 11 mil cap hit, but his real salary of 7.9 mil for the last 3 years is much more palatable. Need to find a team that doesnt spend to the cap anyway and needs a short term upgrade at C. How about Tavares for Dawson Mercer from NJ? Like Tavares as a player and captain, but it may be time to spread the wealth. Matthews is more than ready to take over
He can't be moved unless he agrees to it.

He won't agree to it.

I wouldn't waste my time speculating.
 
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He’s definitely slow, no longer someone who really controls the play, mediocre transition player and not great in his own end. However, he’s still got a lot of skill, excellent hands, shot and hockey IQ, very good on draws, and his strength and compete level are both good.

Overall, I think he’s still a good 2C, but no longer a great one. Very good on the PP, but a bit mediocre at even strength. Worth ~$7 mil AAV, I’d say. Hope he has a strong playoffs, he certainly has the ability to make a positive difference. I’d trade him in the offseason if we could, but he’s got a full NMC, so that’s not likely to happen.
 
He’s going to finish the series with 3 goals and 7 assists, he’s been good.
 
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