Player Discussion John-Michael Liles
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JEM28
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I'll be interested in seeing of Darnell Nurse gets any games in his hearing today.
He jumped and pummeled Roman Polak in a recent game. Very, very cheap.
He jumped and pummeled Roman Polak in a recent game. Very, very cheap.
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At the risk of sounding inconsistent --- hopefully only initially. I kind of have a problem with Liles not getting anything, and I think it further solidifies my point about the NHL being very inept in this area.
I would have been okay with a fine or 1 game for Liles, only because it was a hit to the head, even though the intent was certainly not clear.
The reason he didn't get anything is because of his reputation as a clean player, but I think each hit should be adjudicated equally, regardless of a players reputation.
What I'm trying to say is that I have no doubt in my mind that if that hit was thrown by Marchand or Rinaldo, they'd be suspended.
IMO, the exact same hit should result in the same discipline, regardless of the player that threw it.
Now, I could be swayed regarding the length of suspension or amount of fine, being based on the players reputation. For instance I could understand Liles getting one game for the same hit Rinaldo gets 3 for, but IMO if any player in the league would have been suspended for it....then every player should be.
I would have been okay with a fine or 1 game for Liles, only because it was a hit to the head, even though the intent was certainly not clear.
The reason he didn't get anything is because of his reputation as a clean player, but I think each hit should be adjudicated equally, regardless of a players reputation.
What I'm trying to say is that I have no doubt in my mind that if that hit was thrown by Marchand or Rinaldo, they'd be suspended.
IMO, the exact same hit should result in the same discipline, regardless of the player that threw it.
Now, I could be swayed regarding the length of suspension or amount of fine, being based on the players reputation. For instance I could understand Liles getting one game for the same hit Rinaldo gets 3 for, but IMO if any player in the league would have been suspended for it....then every player should be.
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I think the reason he didn't get anything is that the rule takes things into account when determining if the hit was "avoidable". One of those things is:
To me, this is the likely reason he wasn't given anything. The player cut to the left, then because of the shove from 55 started to go down and that contributed to the head contact.
To me, this is the likely reason he wasn't given anything. The player cut to the left, then because of the shove from 55 started to go down and that contributed to the head contact.
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Holy Cripes, I can't believe it. Thought for sure that Spoked B on his jersey was going to cause him to get his 1st suspension.
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You are 100% correct. The last second shove from Acciarri was the reason for no suspension since without the push its shoulder on shoulder. It certainly doesnt hurt that he is a typically clean player.
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100% my thoughts exactly
Glad they saw things the same way I did. Doesn't happen all that often
Well I am thrilled to say I was wrong, glad they didn't give him a game.
I really thought he was getting at least one, not because Bruins really more that the angle at ice level from behind the play could have easily warranted a game if they wanted to exploit it.
And I am not saying the hit was malicious at all.
I really thought he was getting at least one, not because Bruins really more that the angle at ice level from behind the play could have easily warranted a game if they wanted to exploit it.
And I am not saying the hit was malicious at all.
LakeLivin
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Canes fan and a Liles fan here. Just peeking in to see what you thought of him and it sounds like some of you are noticing what I saw in Raleigh.
He's not going to make an All Star team or even stand out particularly on most nights, but what he does bring can be pretty valuable. Solid defensive positioning and decision making, moves the puck quite well (skating and passing), and one of our rookie d-yutes singled out JML as helping him make the successful transition to NHL hockey. Nowhere near where he used to be on offense, but still contributes on occasion.
I suspect you'll see the occasional great spring pass from deep in your own zone but also the occasional bad turnover there as well. I think that's inevitable with a puck moving role. The one place it's sometimes painful to see Liles work is against a bigger (aren't they all?) forward in front of your crease. He can look like David hacking away at Goliath at times, lol.
Oh, and a very good character guy. Hope he shines up there for you (except when you're playing the Canes, of course
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He's not going to make an All Star team or even stand out particularly on most nights, but what he does bring can be pretty valuable. Solid defensive positioning and decision making, moves the puck quite well (skating and passing), and one of our rookie d-yutes singled out JML as helping him make the successful transition to NHL hockey. Nowhere near where he used to be on offense, but still contributes on occasion.
I suspect you'll see the occasional great spring pass from deep in your own zone but also the occasional bad turnover there as well. I think that's inevitable with a puck moving role. The one place it's sometimes painful to see Liles work is against a bigger (aren't they all?) forward in front of your crease. He can look like David hacking away at Goliath at times, lol.
Oh, and a very good character guy. Hope he shines up there for you (except when you're playing the Canes, of course
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HockeyMomx2
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Canes fan and a Liles fan here. Just peeking in to see what you thought of him and it sounds like some of you are noticing what I saw in Raleigh.
He's not going to make an All Star team or even stand out particularly on most nights, but what he does bring can be pretty valuable. Solid defensive positioning and decision making, moves the puck quite well (skating and passing), and one of our rookie d-yutes singled out JML as helping him make the successful transition to NHL hockey. Nowhere near where he used to be on offense, but still contributes on occasion.
I suspect you'll see the occasional great spring pass from deep in your own zone but also the occasional bad turnover there as well. I think that's inevitable with a puck moving role. The one place it's sometimes painful to see Liles work is against a bigger (aren't they all?) forward in front of your crease. He can look like David hacking away at Goliath at times, lol.
Oh, and a very good character guy. Hope he shines up there for you (except when you're playing the Canes, of course
I think everyone is pretty happy with him so far. Has brought a nice calming influence to our young guys, more often than not makes the right play and has solidified our D corps.
Can someone post a link to the Providence Journal article about Liles and comments from his former Carolina teammates? Having trouble accessing/finding it.
Thanks.
PS, I like him, too!
LakeLivin
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One more thought on Liles and then I'll get out of y'alls hair (I'm from NY but have been down south long enough to pick up the lingo ). I don't want to encourage unrealistic expectations, although it sounds like most of you here already get it.
Liles is 35yo, 5'11" and about a buck eighty. Hes not going to be The Answer. Rather, I think he can be a cog that helps makes everything work a bit more smoothly. It took a long time for that to be appreciated by most Canes fans (and the Leafs didn't get it at all). You guys seem to have picked it up much more quickly.
). I don't want to encourage unrealistic expectations, although it sounds like most of you here already get it. Liles is 35yo, 5'11" and about a buck eighty. Hes not going to be The Answer. Rather, I think he can be a cog that helps makes everything work a bit more smoothly. It took a long time for that to be appreciated by most Canes fans (and the Leafs didn't get it at all). You guys seem to have picked it up much more quickly.
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ODAAT
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he`s been a nice addition but I`d still be patient and go after a D-man who brings more to the table than JML does and if that fails, then go back to him.
I won`t allow myself to get carried away with optimism about the newbies and start signing them to this and that. Use the money wisely and IMO, it`s about locking up Krug , keeping in mind Marchand needs to get paid next year as will Spoons and Pasta. Either see if Seids will move to another team and if not, buy his contract out.
Time to move on, time to aggressively find a bonafide top D man to step into a preferably top 2 role if not, top 4 role.
Loui`s money gone, Kelly`s money gone so that`s almost 7 million I believe? Remove Seids and there`s a little more cake available, I think the B`s can improve on the back end and not necessarily by signing JML. If that top tier D-man can`t be signed, I have no issues with a JML signing but I look elsewhere first then come back to him
I let Miller walk, have no problem not qualifying Trotman or Connolly
I hope we don't sign him. He is as I expected he'd be. Stempniak has proven me wrong but Liles... Liles just isn't good anymore.
ODAAT
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I have no issues with Stemp but with cap space, prospects and picks, I expect someone better in a B`s jersey next year
I guess I just don't line the idea of giving up a 2nd round pick for a rental if we miss the playoffs. I'd rather bring him back for the 3rd line as an upgrade over Hayes. I'd like someone with more speed on Bergy's line however.
ODAAT
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I don`t either but it`s the risk all teams take when they make acquisitions such as this at the deadline.
I like Stemp and wouldn`t necessarily dismiss the thought of bringing him back but I do so long after I attack the UFA market as aggressively as I can without it being a huge cap issue.
Loui/Kelly money will be off the books, I`m anticipating Sweeney approaching Seids about waving his NTC/NMC whichever he has as well and potentially that money will either be off the table or some of it count against the cap, I also see Sweeney admitting his mistake in the form of moving Hayes as well.
They`ll need to re-sign Krug, Spoons then be aware of Marchand`s next contract, but this team is now in the position of having some seriously strong looking prospects that would be attractive to opposing GM`s, some picks in the first, and a few guys that "could" be used as pieces in a move, my guess, Koko (not valued as highly as I feel some here think he is but still possibly interesting to a younger team), Connolly should be moved.
My hope is and my belief is that Sweeney knows precisely what ails this team, and he`s going to address it in the summer and sign/trade for a top 4 d-man who can log big minutes against opponents top lines while inserting more youth and speed into the lineup.
I`m really excited/optimistic about the future, also relatively satisfied with how things have gone this year, the team has performed pretty much as I anticipated, all the while having kids like Spooner now playing full time minutes, Vatrano getting a great opportunity early in his career, kids like Morrow and C Miller getting some time (some think they need more, I don`t), and now we see Acciari essentially solidifying a job for himself for the future without forgetting Pasta who`s season never really got going with injury but still, another year of NHL experience in the books
IMO, this is what GM`s need to do, almost every year, insert a few youngsters who are cap friendly into the lineup. Can`t have a team with 8-9 newbies, recipe for disaster but while I haven`t agreed with all of CJ `s lineups, I have liked that we are seeing youth being served and they have asserted themselves pretty well.
Next year, I`ll wager another kid, maybe two forces the B`s hand and earns NHL time, whether that`s C Miller/Morrow, or maybe even a camp surprise, I don`t think Sweeney and/or Julien is afraid to play the kids, but I think that both are cautious with the kids and I have absolutely no issues with it. Loving the cupboard of prospects, the core is still very strong, like the move towards a quicker, more skilled lineup, and I will not forget how bloody spoiled I have been now for a pretty solid decade of Bruins hockey. Hasn`t always been this way folks
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