Player Discussion John Klingberg

[All Mighty]

I think if the Ducks are going to get a 1st round pick going to have to take a cap dump back as well, kinda what we did with Kase by taking on Backes.

I'm not even talking about getting a 1st (I'd honestly be fine with a 2nd at this point). Literally which teams need him? Maybe Pittsburgh if Letang is out long term? Winnipeg? Maybe Carolina? I don't feel confident about any of those teams wanting him.

 

[Leonardo87]

I'm not even talking about getting a 1st (I'd honestly be fine with a 2nd at this point). Literally which teams need him? Maybe Pittsburgh if Letang is out long term? Winnipeg? Maybe Carolina? I don't feel confident about any of those teams wanting him.

It's going to be a buyers market, and that's not good for Anaheim this TDL. Teams are going to be hesitant to give their 1st or even 2nd round picks in this draft.

 

[Goose of Reason]

I don't think we're getting a first for him anymore, but he still shows well enough offensively that a team that could insulate him would probably still find his offense valuable. The biggest issue is that we are the least capable team of doing that in the league, so it's really exposing his flaws.

 

[StreetHawk]

I don't think we're getting a first for him anymore, but he still shows well enough offensively that a team that could insulate him would probably still find his offense valuable. The biggest issue is that we are the least capable team of doing that in the league, so it's really exposing his flaws.

And for Klingberg that is really something he should have considers when taking the big one year deal from the ducks. He’s getting exposed and thus showing no reason why any team should 1) trade anything of significant value for him at the tdl and 2) he’s not getting a lucrative long term deal after this season.

He and his agent read the market wrong. Thought he’d get a Hamilton type deal and it didn’t materialize.

 

[FiveHoleTickler]

If teams didn't throw money and term at him last offseason, they certainly won't after this season. I would feel bad for the guy, but the way he's played here makes it hard to sympathize.

 

[Leonardo87]

If teams didn't throw money and term at him last offseason, they certainly won't after this season. I would feel bad for the guy, but the way he's played here makes it hard to sympathize.

I shake my head almost every shift, like how can this guy be so bad at playing defense. I hate to bash players but it’s really heavy criticism.

Then I gotta read about Lindholm scoring a nice goal on the mains and having a career season.

 

[FiveHoleTickler]

I shake my head almost every shift, like how can this guy be so bad at playing defense. I hate to bash players but it’s really heavy criticism.

Then I gotta read about Lindholm scoring a nice goal on the mains and having a career season.

It's one thing to be bad, it's another to not try or care about the primary responsibility of being a defender.

It's not that he's like that all the time, but he makes it really difficult to ignore sometimes.

 

[The Duck Knight]

If teams didn't throw money and term at him last offseason, they certainly won't after this season. I would feel bad for the guy, but the way he's played here makes it hard to sympathize.

I'd feel bad for him if he didn't turn down what was rumored to be a 5x6 offer from Dallas. He thought he would get more and he played a bad hand.

 

[Leonardo87]

It's one thing to be bad, it's another to not try or care about the primary responsibility of being a defender.

It's not that he's like that all the time, but he makes it really difficult to ignore sometimes.

I’ve always thought when it comes to a D playing defense when they are not noticeable that’s a good thing. Klingberg has been noticeable for mostly the wrong reasons. Yeah sure he does have those offensive plays but it hasn’t been enough to make up for the defensive lapses
He has. Does that make sense?

 

[FiveHoleTickler]

I'd feel bad for him if he didn't turn down what was rumored to be a 5x6 offer from Dallas. He thought he would get more and he played a bad hand.

I read that it was reported to be a ~$7 million x 8 year deal, but his agent convinced him that he could get more in free agency. That's likely what ended their business relationship once that didn't come to fruition.

Obviously there's some onus on the player agreeing with the agent's strategy, but I wouldn't put the blame entirely on the player.

 

[FiveHoleTickler]

I’ve always thought when it comes to a D playing defense when they are not noticeable that’s a good thing. Klingberg has been noticeable for mostly the wrong reasons. Yeah sure he does have those offensive plays but it hasn’t been enough to make up for the defensive lapses
He has. Does that make sense?

Absolutely. I think the expectation based on his reputation when we signed him was that his offense would at least mitigate his defensive mistakes. 15 points in 40 games is well below the mark for just how bad/nonchalant he is at defending.

There was a point last season when Shattenkirk was starting to offensively contribute at a rate that seemed to make up for his defensive blunders. That was the minimum I expected with Klingberg. I could not have been more wrong.

 

[StreetHawk]

I read that it was reported to be a ~$7 million x 8 year deal, but his agent convinced him that he could get more in free agency. That's likely what ended their business relationship once that didn't come to fruition.

Obviously there's some onus on the player agreeing with the agent's strategy, but I wouldn't put the blame entirely on the player.

Misguided by the agent. Another team can only offer 7 years so unless he was certain that his client would get $8 mill AAV, he was better to take it than chance it. He must have been expected a Hamilton $9 mill AAV deal. But what were his leads? Who did he expect to set up with that kind of offer?

 

[FiveHoleTickler]

Misguided by the agent. Another team can only offer 7 years so unless he was certain that his client would get $8 mill AAV, he was better to take it than chance it. He must have been expected a Hamilton $9 mill AAV deal. But what were his leads? Who did he expect to set up with that kind of offer?

Conventional wisdom would suggest any player would get a better offer as a UFA than they would from their own team on an expiring deal. Any maybe there were better offers at one point, but not from teams he wanted to play for long term. Who knows?

Either way, ultimately Klingberg gambled and lost twice and it doesn't appear to have lit a fire under him to start playing some quality hockey.

 

[robbieboy3686]

I think if the Ducks are going to get a 1st round pick going to have to take a cap dump back as well, kinda what we did with Kase by taking on Backes.

Huge +1 and if we can find a dadanov out there, wouldn’t be end of the world or a change of scenery underperforming comtois type

 

[StreetHawk]

Conventional wisdom would suggest any player would get a better offer as a UFA than they would from their own team on an expiring deal. Any maybe there were better offers at one point, but not from teams he wanted to play for long term. Who knows?

Either way, ultimately Klingberg gambled and lost twice and it doesn't appear to have lit a fire under him to start playing some quality hockey.

He was presented that offer prior to ufa. He turned it down expecting a better one to come. He was in a good situation with Heisk and Lindell on the left side for him to play with.

He gambled and lost. I mean you have t be very confident that those teams you think are looking for a RHD are in position to make you that big offer as a ufa. Ufa money goes quickly. So once he didn’t get one on by day 2 he was in trouble. If he was presented with $56 mill and he passed on it for and now is making $8 mill he’s got $48 mill and 7 years to make that up.

Don’t see that occurring. A 3/4 year deal probably nets him maybe $5 mill at best on an AAV. He’s going to be down 8 figures turning down that offer. But he’s not the first guy to lose out.

Word was Ben Hutton was offered over $3 mill on a multi year deal with Montreal but he turns it down. Hutton, including this season will have made like $4 mill total in the 4 years since becoming a ufa.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Klingberg seems like a giant flop for us and for himself.

Thought it was a way for us to buy a 1st in 23, but that backfired... and now the only 1 to salvage it is to retain on him and add a pick or prospect to him, or take back a dump, and i assume itll be a dump for this year and next.

 

[Emerald Duck]

At this point we should just hold on to Klingberg until the TDL and hope that a playoff bound team suddenly has a need for a PP quarterback because of poor PP performance or injury. If the TDL turns into a buyer's market for offensive dmen, then we'll be lucky to get a low 2nd or 3rd for him. The Klingberg Experiment in Anaheim just didn't work out as planned.

 

[Pennaduck]

At this point we should just hold on to Klingberg until the TDL and hope that a playoff bound team suddenly has a need for a PP quarterback because of poor PP performance or injury. If the TDL turns into a buyer's market for offensive dmen, then we'll be lucky to get a low 2nd or 3rd for him. The Klingberg Experiment in Anaheim just didn't work out as planned.

You are right on the money with this I think. The weird thing about Klingberg is he is actually on pace for slightly more goals than he scored in each of the past few seasons and is on pretty close to on track with his career average for TOI/game. He hasn't ever really been great defensively and hasn't been a plus player in four years so that hasn't really changed either, and I don't think anyone would have expected it to. He just isn't getting the assist totals that he typically gets each season. About half of those assists each season have come on the powerplay, so his offensive production is way down largely because the Ducks PP is 3rd worst in the league at 16.2%. If there is a team out there that has a playoff caliber offense and wants to take a gamble on a former PP specialist that can also play 20 minutes a night in a more sheltered role, I think he would return to form and be a decent deadline pickup. I have a hard time thinking about who that team may be though.

He does have 4 points in the last 8 games though, so maybe that is a sign of some better production to come between now and the deadline.

 

[TopShelfWaterBottle]

He also doesn’t have the offensive weapons he did with Dallas so that’s keeping his points down for sure

 

[ohcomeonref]

He also doesn’t have the offensive weapons he did with Dallas so that’s keeping his points down for sure

I read this as "keeping his pants down for sure". I think both are true.

 

[Leonardo87]

I read this as "keeping his pants down for sure". I think both are true.

 

[The Midnight Burrito]

I read this as "keeping his pants down for sure". I think both are true.

He does show his ass a lot.

 

[MMC]

 

[FiveHoleTickler]

Hedman being that low is pretty surprising. Wonder what the story is there.

 

[Leonardo87]

Klingberg seems fitting, Adam Fox should be higher.