Confirmed with Link: Johansen signs 3-year deal (4.0M AAV)

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Why do folks keep suggesting that this guarantees he'll be a UFA 4 years down the road? There are several practical implications of this deal as far as I can tell.

The biggest one: This means that Joey can take the Jackets to a one year arbitration at the end of this deal and then go to UFA, if he wants. This gives Joey a big edge in negotiating a long-term deal. But the Jackets still have a big advantage over other teams who might want to sign him UFA: the Jackets can pay to replace Joey's one year arbitration deal with the first year of a long term big-money deal.

So basically the Jackets will likely be the team to sign him long-term, but Joey can guarantee they won't be able to pay less than what other teams would offer.
 

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Aaron Portzline ‏@Aportzline 2m2 minutes ago
#CBJ made it clear to Johansen/Overhardt that the club's last best offer - 3 years, $12M - would not be on the table after season started.
 

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Yep, and by year 3, if they would have signed a 2 year bridge at 3 mill each, he would have had arbitration rights at that point. He progresses over the next 2 season, you think the 6 mill was just cooked up, out of the air ?

No, it's an acknowledgement that Joey will probably get that in year 3 anyways. It's not a conditional "danging carrot" "wait and see", its guaranteed.
 

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Guess you didnt read the article, also sounds from the press confrence that Joey was given an ultimatum, and chose to accept today. But yeah your right I dont understand the term dangling a carrot. And I'm sure you could explain it to me :handclap::handclap:


If you think that this contract Joey signed is "dangling a carrot" then yes, you have no idea what the phrase means.

In this case, the "carrot" was getting paid 6 million per year. It is no longer being "dangled" in front of him as a possibility if he plays well over the next 2 years, he is now guaranteed to get it.

The deals that Brendan Dillon or other RFAs signed would count as "dangling a carrot" as if they perform over the short term of their deals, they can get the carrot. Joey gets his no matter what. He could tear his ACL or get a concussion or play terrible, he still gets it.
 

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So glad this is all over. I hope Joey shows he's worth 6 Million a season for the 3rd year. Maybe 2 years for 3 Million is what it should have been, but not having to deal with another contract situation for 3 seems like a good idea.
 

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I'm not sure if I like how JD/Jarmo come out of this. I think the deal with Joey is an absolute steal on the team's part, but it doesn't line up right for the team's long-term cap situation. Here we are underpaying Joey when we have loads of cap room, and he'll be on the market when we don't have much room. I'd have preferred a long term deal.
 

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I'm not sure if I like how JD/Jarmo come out of this. I think the deal with Joey is an absolute steal on the team's part, but it doesn't line up right for the team's long-term cap situation. Here we are underpaying Joey when we have loads of cap room, and he'll be on the market when we don't have much room. I'd have preferred a long term deal.

Well said, totally agree...and now of course, Kerby and Wenny and others will be looking for the guaranteed 3rd year jump on their RFA deals
 

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3 year RFA deals are desirable for the team as it gives them maximum control over cost and they can parlay it into the longest term (13 years instead of 2+10 for 12).

Also, if Johansen did get upset, this gives the team an extra year to change his mind.

The downside is you usually have to buy that 3rd year at a premium (kind of like buying UFA years).
 

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And here I thought that by getting him signed the pissing matches would end. I guess I am still young and naive at heart.
 

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JK commented that he wished there was arbitration because he felt an arbitrator would agree with the team's original $ 3 million offer. Seems to me that the $6 million represents what JK thinks Joey would get in arbitration if he continued to perform during the first two years of the deal as he did last year. If so, it buys out an arbitration fight with Joey and instead allows the team to focus on coming up with a long term deal for RyJo which I am sure they will want to do if he continues to perform.
Seems like a very pragmatic resolution of the matter that is beneficial to all concerned. Certainly I think JD and JK are more aware of how this offer fits into their long term salary strategy than any of us ever could be. So if they are content with this resolution, so am I. This seems to allow time for healing and to focus on RyJo's long term potential in a constructive way.
 

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If you think that this contract Joey signed is "dangling a carrot" then yes, you have no idea what the phrase means.

In this case, the "carrot" was getting paid 6 million per year. It is no longer being "dangled" in front of him as a possibility if he plays well over the next 2 years, he is now guaranteed to get it.

The deals that Brendan Dillon or other RFAs signed would count as "dangling a carrot" as if they perform over the short term of their deals, they can get the carrot. Joey gets his no matter what. He could tear his ACL or get a concussion or play terrible, he still gets it.

Yes, because the jackets neved had an issue of paying him what he is worth in the comparable market. Coming off 2 years of bad production, work ethic issues, etc, then blowing up, the jackets consistently said we need to see more. They structured this contract in that way. Joey was asking 6.75 mill to start. Joey turned down 6 yr 32 mill. Jackets wanted 3 mill 2 year deal. He proves himself in next year and a half, this contract is tore up, and a long term deal is done. But at this point, based off one good year, you cant take that risk.
 

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The good thing is Joey has 1 slump proof attribute, and that's size. When he's 6'4 240lbs, he'll be a beast! Many of his scoring chances were created by his size, and the fact he's as big as he is at 22 was why we couldnt not let him get away. And who cares about the 3rd year being $6m, the cap will be going up and you have to take risks once in a while if you plan on winning in this league, and a 6'4 230lbs 22 yo centerman is worth the risk.
 

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Yes, because the jackets neved had an issue of paying him what he is worth in the comparable market. Coming off 2 years of bad production, work ethic issues, etc, then blowing up, the jackets consistently said we need to see more. They structured this contract in that way. Joey was asking 6.75 mill to start. Joey turned down 6 yr 32 mill.

Wow, you managed to take a shot at Joey's work ethic again AND make another nonsensical reference to the "initial ask" by KO which was never meant to be an endpoint to any negotiations.

Sad you didn't make it a perfect triple with another "Sprinfield Incident" reference.
 

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I'm not sure if I like how JD/Jarmo come out of this. I think the deal with Joey is an absolute steal on the team's part, but it doesn't line up right for the team's long-term cap situation. Here we are underpaying Joey when we have loads of cap room, and he'll be on the market when we don't have much room. I'd have preferred a long term deal.

I wouldn't say it's a steal. I would say that the first 2 years are at CBJ's number. The 3rd year is an "insurance" policy for RyJo, and he has arbitration rights for year 4, leading to leverage in long-term negotiations. But his big leverage is if he performs - if not, then any long-term deal either stays at $6M (or thereabouts), or CBJ doesn't re-sign him. I agree with ILZ (yes) that the likelihood is that RyJo performs and that he gets max contract for well more than $6M for years 4-9 (or 4-11).

Several here preferred longer term deal done now, but there was no way based on current environment. RyJo and agent would not do long term for anything but huge dollars (and rightfully so if they believe RyJo is $10M talent, and we want him to be that), and CBJFO would not commit huge dollars based on one year's stud performance (again rightfully so IMO). How much should have been offered to RyJO to sign for 6 years? The offer was $32M, and I would think CBJ would have been reluctant to go beyond $36M given all parameters. It appeared that RyJo would not have taken $36/6 anyway - that the UFA years and raised cap in those years will yield $8M or more per year.

Not saying perfect, not from CBJ club perspective - but it couldn't be unless RyJo had been willing to sign for less than what appears to be market value for future UFA years. Superstars take contract hits for the good of the team ---once they are financially secure and can see all the big picture. RyJo, as good as he is/may be, has not earned huge dollars (in terms of NHL, not real life), and probably should not be expected to take a salary hit for the good of the team - yet. That may happen in year 3-4 with a hometown discount (though I doubt it). But it may happen in the extension after next.

We now know what RyJo's market value is for the only 2 parties that mattered. In some ways they kicked the can down the road, exactly like a pure 2yr bridge, but with the insurance for RyJo on the end (a carrot earned). I take Jarmo's frustration as in large part "sheesh - why didn't KO (and us) get this done months ago, when the season wouldn't be affected..." He is up to his eyeballs in GM issues, what with Horton and Jenner out and camp closing. If RyJo up to speed in 2 weeks, this will look like good resolution. After weighing all variables, the worst case scenario seems to be that it cost CBJ $6M for one potentially bad year. All other variables are that RyJo is worth more, which while a cap space concern will be a good problem to have.
 
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Jarmo sounds pissed in the presser. Keeps choosing his words carefully...that he likes Ryan "as a player"...refused to answer question about whether bridges were burned

Well he'd certainly better get over it. Its over. Time to be professional going forward and everyone to focus on winning games. That's what Jarmo is paid to do and that's what Johansen is paid to do.
 

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And here I thought that by getting him signed the pissing matches would end. I guess I am still young and naive at heart.

I assumed they'd tone down to a level that wouldn't cause my doctor to worry about my blood pressure. So far I've been justified. :)

For such things to end entirely, you'd have to remove quite a few folks from the gene pool first, and that's really more of a long-term project. ;) :sarcasm:

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Now that this is done the team can move on to more important things like naming a captain. :sarcasm:

...speaking of which...
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The term and pay are ideal. CBJ can keep payment down for 2 years and are showing their belief in Ryan Johansen by doubling his salary in the third year. He will still be an RFA and if he does as well as expected the vaults can be opened to make him a well paid long term Jacket. I couldn't be happier!
 

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I assumed they'd tone down to a level that wouldn't cause my doctor to worry about my blood pressure. So far I've been justified. :)

For such things to end entirely, you'd have to remove quite a few folks from the gene pool first, and that's really more of a long-term project. ;) :sarcasm:

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...speaking of which...
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Viqsi's back!!! :yo:
The first thing I thought of when I read the tongue in cheek comment about the captain was "If Viqsi was here, she'd set this guy on fire!" LOL
 

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