Confirmed with Link: Johansen signs 3-year deal (4.0M AAV)

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Nah, KO creamed the Jackets here, for reasons that CR explained pretty well...

No.

My guess would be at that age with that experience, and if he continues to progress, would be what they project an arbitor to reward. So like Cyclone said above, jackets got what they wanted a 2 year bridge at 3 mill, which they feel would have been backed up if it were elgible to arbitrator to hear. And most likely the 3rd year is using thar projected estimate.

Yes.
 

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Nah, KO creamed the Jackets here, for reasons that CR explained pretty well.

I was in the "concerns are overblown" camp and assuming my camp is right, it won't be an issue.
"Creamed"? He'd have "creamed" 'em if he'd gotten the actual $6m/year. He did get some movement, but, hey, it's in the form of what's probably an acceptable gamble.

Making it sound like this is an Overhardt victory strikes me as being in the same vein as "every trade always and irrevocably has one and only one winner; everyone else loses."
 

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My guess would be at that age with that experience, and if he continues to progress, would be what they project an arbitor to reward. So like Cyclone said above, jackets got what they wanted a 2 year bridge at 3 mill, which they feel would have been backed up if it were elgible to arbitrator to hear. And most likely the 3rd year is using thar projected estimate.

You claimed Ryan Johansen's agent didn't understand the CBA and was ruining Johansen's career and they were stupid for not accepting a 2 year, $6 million offer and wanting $6 million per and that they couldn't get something that wasn't exactly like other RFAs got, because it wasn't outlined in the "parameters" of the CBA.

I'm not arguing with what Cyclones said or what other reporters are weighing in on as far as the what a potential Arb number would have been in year three.

Even though it was a tough negotiation KO did do his job and has put his client in a very good position to max his earning potential.
 

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"Creamed"? He'd have "creamed" 'em if he'd gotten the actual $6m/year. He did get some movement, but, hey, it's in the form of what's probably an acceptable gamble.

Making it sound like this is an Overhardt victory strikes me as being in the same vein as "every trade always and irrevocably has one and only one winner; everyone else loses."

There are two scenarios here.

Johansen progresses: The team is faced with the prospect of paying him above Kane/Toews money to keep him in the fold. 26 year old, 30+ Goal scoring, 6-3 centers are possibly the most valuable commodity in the NHL. He'd get 10 million easily.

Johansen regresses: The team is stuck with a bad contract (although not team killing by any means)

Either one isn't good for the club.
 

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GOD GIVE IT A REST....he signed, let's be happy...both sides got what they wanted...time for him to put up points and the $6m number won't matter....
 

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Yeah, he'll be there.

Jackets blinked. 6 million QO after year 3. But I don't care, hopefully he's worth alot more than that when this expires

I don't think they blinked. It's obvious to all of them that he'll be worth more than a paltry $6m. Heck he'd be in that territory now on the open market. The reason they stuck to the $3m target was because of the principle that you get RFA's coming off of their entry-level contract at a steep discount, which we did here for a good couple of years.
 

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3 years, $4 mil AAV (3-3-6) seems like a win for both sides. It's the bridge that CBJFO wanted (and a workable AAV) with the high backend that KO/RyJo wanted. Still an RFA when it's over, and if he continues this upward trajectory, management will be glad to fork over the $6 mil come 2016 and lock him up long-term, probably on an 8x8.
 

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You claimed Ryan Johansen's agent didn't understand the CBA and was ruining Johansen's career and they were stupid for not accepting a 2 year, $6 million offer and wanting $6 million per and that they couldn't get something that wasn't exactly like other RFAs got, because it wasn't outlined in the "parameters" of the CBA.

I'm not arguing with what Cyclones said or what other reporters are weighing in on as far as the what a potential Arb number would have been in year three.

Even though it was a tough negotiation KO did do his job and has put his client in a very good position to max his earning potential.

Obviously he didnt, do you see years 1, and 2 at 3 mill ? Isnt that what Jackets were offering, based on comparables for a 2 year bridge ?
 

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There are two scenarios here.

Johansen progresses: The team is faced with the prospect of paying him above Kane/Toews money to keep him in the fold. 26 year old, 30+ Goal scoring, 6-3 centers are possibly the most valuable commodity in the NHL. He'd get 10 million easily.

Johansen regresses: The team is stuck with a bad contract (although not team killing by any means)

Either one isn't good for the club.

Jackets are stuck with a bad contract for 1 year of he doesnt progress. 3 mill is hardly a bad contract.
 

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Ideally, Joey continues his upward trajectory and he heads into that 3rd season with a very rich, long-term deal already in hand after two great playoff seasons :yo:

This is the first thing you've said in weeks that I actually agree with. If Joey continues upward in the next two season, I would think a 6-8 year deal worth north of 7M would be waiting for him, making the 6M year pointless.
 

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This is the first thing you've said in weeks that I actually agree with. If Joey continues upward in the next two season, I would think a 6-8 year deal worth north of 7M would be waiting for him, making the 6M year pointless.

Glad to agree.

The only risk is that Joey could basically choose not to sign an extension and then elect arbitration after the 3rd year. That arbitration award would still pay him well (at least $6 million) and can only be for one year. So that paves an easy way to get paid well in the fourth year and then have an easy path to UFA. I'm thinking the FO is OK with that risk because if he proves himself after 2 years they'll be more than willing to pay him.

But like I said, hopefully, Joey and the team have two great seasons and he gets locked up well before it can come to that.
 

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My hockey pool is happy :) congrats to jackets fan hopefully RyJo plays well right off the bat
 

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Obviously he didnt, do you see years 1, and 2 at 3 mill ? Isnt that what Jackets were offering, based on comparables for a 2 year bridge ?

Obviously he didn't?

You are still going to hold firm to the notion that KO doesn't understand the CBA after he just negotiated a deal that used the CBA to his clients advantage? What other "comparable" got a 3rd year for $6 million or double the previous year's average?
 

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Johansen missed camp, aka is one of the few fully healthy players on our roster.

The third year was bought. Nobody lost, but Jackets have him for max length now (3 year RFA plus long deal negotiated with arbitration possible) and have the next 2 years at what they wanted. Johansen gets his raise.
 

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Obviously he didn't?

You are still going to hold firm to the notion that KO doesn't understand the CBA after he just negotiated a deal that used the CBA to his clients advantage? What other "comparable" got a 3rd year for $6 million or double the previous year's average?

He set out to change the landscape of bridge deals, and got his player a 2 year bridge at 3 mill. Like you said, no way jackets wait till after year 3 to lock him up long term if he becomes what we think he can. This servres the purpose of the carrot dangling they referred to , to keep him motivated.
 

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RyJo is obviously going to be behind everyone else & I hope it doesn't affect his whole year like we've seen with missing training camp. Confidence can be an elusive animal.

Hopefully they get a few wins early in the year while he's basically not playing his usual minutes & is training camp for him.
 

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RyJo is obviously going to be behind everyone else & I hope it doesn't affect his whole year like we've seen with missing training camp. Confidence can be an elusive animal.

Hopefully they get a few wins early in the year while he's basically not playing his usual minutes & is training camp for him.

The real test would be what type of shape is he in? I know he was skating with the Giants, I just hope conditioning, etc all stayed up to date too
 

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