Confirmed with Link: Johansen signs 3-year deal (4.0M AAV)

[Jaxs]

Great news. I like the terms and agree that third year will become irrelevant after he gets locked up on a long term during year three.

 

[blahblah]

Glad he's signed; however I really don't like a 3 year deal. Around 4 per is what I said before and that's what we ended up at.

 

[We Want Ten]

I think in the end both sides can claim victory and be happy. Ultimately the fans win.

 

[Viqsi]

There are two scenarios here.

Johansen progresses: The team is faced with the prospect of paying him above Kane/Toews money to keep him in the fold. 26 year old, 30+ Goal scoring, 6-3 centers are possibly the most valuable commodity in the NHL. He'd get 10 million easily.

Johansen regresses: The team is stuck with a bad contract (although not team killing by any means)

Either one isn't good for the club.

Scenario #1 is not only anticipated but welcomed by GMJK, so frankly I don't care; the alternative there was potentially getting a Brassard/Mason contract scenario which would be undesirable. Scenario #2 is an absurd overstatement given that it's all of ONE YEAR of maybe-horror. Seriously, even at his worst Johansen's been a good #3C; $4m/year is a lot to pay for that, but 1) we can afford it, 2) he'd be tradable to others who'd assume he could go back to 30+ goals, and 3) that's a totally-dire all-is-lost worst-case scenario, for G-d's sake.

This kind of pessimism doesn't suit you. Clearly I should have stuck around and fed you more sunshine and rainbows.

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RyJo is obviously going to be behind everyone else & I hope it doesn't affect his whole year like we've seen with missing training camp. Confidence can be an elusive animal.

Hopefully they get a few wins early in the year while he's basically not playing his usual minutes & is training camp for him.

@BUF, NYR, DAL, CGY, @OTT, and then we head to California.

Not the calmest schedule in the world, but, hey, the road games are easy ones.

 

[spintheblackcircle]

There are two scenarios here.

Johansen progresses: The team is faced with the prospect of paying him above Kane/Toews money to keep him in the fold. 26 year old, 30+ Goal scoring, 6-3 centers are possibly the most valuable commodity in the NHL. He'd get 10 million easily.

Johansen regresses: The team is stuck with a bad contract (although not team killing by any means)

Either one isn't good for the club.

Three scenarios. #3) He puts up between 25-35 goals and 25-35 assists each year, basically the same as the past year.

 

[Seedtype]

I'm glad this got done before the season started.
Now let's get a better start this year. Go Jackets!

 

[TaketheCannoli]

Three scenarios. #3) He puts up between 25-35 goals and 25-35 assists each year, basically the same as the past year.

Four scenarios. #4) He performs at a 60 pt. level or above, he takes the Jackets to arbitration for a one year contract and leaves as a UFA a year later.

 

[major major]

There are two scenarios here.

Johansen progresses: The team is faced with the prospect of paying him above Kane/Toews money to keep him in the fold. 26 year old, 30+ Goal scoring, 6-3 centers are possibly the most valuable commodity in the NHL. He'd get 10 million easily.

Johansen regresses: The team is stuck with a bad contract (although not team killing by any means)

Either one isn't good for the club.

I rather like the first scenario.

 

[Samkow]

Scenario #1 is not only anticipated but welcomed by GMJK, so frankly I don't care; the alternative there was potentially getting a Brassard/Mason contract scenario which would be undesirable. Scenario #2 is an absurd overstatement given that it's all of ONE YEAR of maybe-horror. Seriously, even at his worst Johansen's been a good #3C; $4m/year is a lot to pay for that, but 1) we can afford it, 2) he'd be tradable to others who'd assume he could go back to 30+ goals, and 3) that's a totally-dire all-is-lost worst-case scenario, for G-d's sake.

You can't build a good team paying everyone market value. Quite frankly, multiple Nathan Horton's is a team killer. This contract essentially means that Johansen is going to be getting market value on his next contract no matter the team.

Would have preferred the team stuck to it's insistence of avoiding a 3-5 year contract. Wish this was 2 yr/4 mil.

 

[Nordique]

He set out to change the landscape of bridge deals, and got his player a 2 year bridge at 3 mill. Like you said, no way jackets wait till after year 3 to lock him up long term if he becomes what we think he can. This servres the purpose of the carrot dangling they referred to , to keep him motivated.

Got his client a 6 million dollar insurance policy in exchange for those years at 3 per.

I don't think Joey got fleeced here, good deal for both parties.

 

[IHeartZherdev*]

He set out to change the landscape of bridge deals, and got his player a 2 year bridge at 3 mill. Like you said, no way jackets wait till after year 3 to lock him up long term if he becomes what we think he can. This servres the purpose of the carrot dangling they referred to , to keep him motivated.

How is a 3-year deal that pays $6 million in the third year "getting his player a 2 year bridge at 3 million?"

Guaranteeing Joey a $3 million raise to $6 million per is the opposite of "carrot dangling" as regardless of performance, Joey will be getting $6 million per year starting in year 3.

 

[EDM]

It's over. Let's win hockey game.

 

[IHeartZherdev*]

It's over. Let's win hockey game.

I agree, it's over and we have at least 2 seasons of muscle bound Joey that should be drama free.

 

[Viqsi]

You can't build a good team paying everyone market value. Quite frankly, multiple Nathan Horton's is a team killer. This contract essentially means that Johansen is going to be getting market value on his next contract no matter the team.

Would have preferred the team stuck to it's insistence of avoiding a 3-5 year contract. Wish this was 2 yr/4 mil.

True, but as soon as this negotiation went into July, it was obvious that Super Savings wasn't going to happen here. We've got other guys on good contracts and other agents that are less pushy.

 

[Cyclones Rock]

There are two scenarios here.

Johansen progresses: The team is faced with the prospect of paying him above Kane/Toews money to keep him in the fold. 26 year old, 30+ Goal scoring, 6-3 centers are possibly the most valuable commodity in the NHL. He'd get 10 million easily.

Johansen regresses: The team is stuck with a bad contract (although not team killing by any means)

Either one isn't good for the club.

Agreed.

Further, the cap ramifications aren't good at all. Instead of $6 million per year hit over the next 6, the Jackets could easily get a mega hit in year 4 which could last 8 years. The Jackets had plenty of cap room this year and next. The Giroux situation seems to be a good parallel. As an aside, I wasn't aware that this Johansen deal had precedent. KO, obviously was Hopefully, the Jackets won't be in a cap situation similar to the Flyers 4 years from now.

http://www.capgeek.com/player/748

Also, a 6 year deal would have made Johansen a much more valuable asset in terms of trade. Not that I want to see him go, but a very few long term signed players are assets in a real sense of the word. Most are costs. The term of this deal limits Johansen's trade value significantly.

JD's "win" is more along the lines of a CEO who is looking for a bonus based on the next two years of bottom lines. His compensation could, actually be structured in such a way. It certainly isn't a "win" based on the potential long term ramifications to the financial health of the team. If Johansen continues to play at the high level of last season, the Jackets may face a salary cap in years 4, 5 and 6 which could easily have been avoided.

End of the day, Johansen just signed what effectively amounts to a 4 year deal. Not a bad thing for a Jackets fan. Could have been better, but so it goes.

 

[CentreKeeper12]

How is a 3-year deal that pays $6 million in the third year "getting his player a 2 year bridge at 3 million?"

Guaranteeing Joey a $3 million raise to $6 million per is the opposite of "carrot dangling" as regardless of performance, Joey will be getting $6 million per year starting in year 3.

I think what is being said that while the 3rd will happen, it won't really come into effect, as we hope he will progress and we sign him long term at 6 million per if not more before year 3

 

[Samkow]

True, but as soon as this negotiation went into July, it was obvious that Super Savings wasn't going to happen here. We've got other guys on good contracts and other agents that are less pushy.

Any savings are good.

Let's hope the Murray/Milano/Wennberg/Rychel/Dano negotiations go better than this one did and the club isn't as adverse to taking a chance and paying for potential/

 

[KJ Dangler]

How is a 3-year deal that pays $6 million in the third year "getting his player a 2 year bridge at 3 million?"

Guaranteeing Joey a $3 million raise to $6 million per is the opposite of "carrot dangling" as regardless of performance, Joey will be getting $6 million per year starting in year 3.

Because the jackets hadnt seen enough based on his 2 years of basically no production, and then his last year of great production. This gives them 2 years to make sure he continues to progress. If he does, the 3rd year becomes a non point, because most likely a new long term is negotiated before then. Thats why they were insistent in a 2 year bridge at 3 mill.


http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/blue-jackets-win-bigger-in-ryan-johansen-deal/

 

[IHeartZherdev*]

Because the jackets hadnt seen enough based on his 2 years of basically no production, and then his last year of great production. This gives them 2 years to make sure he continues to progress. If he does, the 3rd year becomes a non point, because most likely a new long term is negotiated before then. Thats why they were insistent in a 2 year bridge at 3 mill.


http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/blue-jackets-win-bigger-in-ryan-johansen-deal/

You don't understand what the phrase "dangling a carrot" means any better than you understand the spelling/definition of the word "prima donna." And if you think the 3rd year is a "non point" you need to revisit your expertise of the CBA.

I've already said I'm hopeful Joey continues on his studly ways and gets a long-term deal before year 3. But it's far from a sure thing it goes down that way. Even the article you link to says that "So in an absolute worst-case scenario, Johansen will make a total of $17.1 million over the next four seasons. That’s an average salary of $4.275. Not a bad deal for the team."

Not bad for the team, and also a win for the agent as $17.1 million over 4 years with a chance to hit the big cash in UFA is a lot better than $6 million over 2 years which is what the front office supposedly wouldn't budge from and what you said KO couldn't do better than. You can't claim the deal that Joey signed is the same as if he took a 2 year $6 million deal and many people in this thread have already pointed out the reasons why this deal's structure is beneficial to Joey.

 

[major major]

Because the jackets hadnt seen enough based on his 2 years of basically no production, and then his last year of great production. This gives them 2 years to make sure he continues to progress. If he does, the 3rd year becomes a non point, because most likely a new long term is negotiated before then. Thats why they were insistent in a 2 year bridge at 3 mill.


http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/blue-jackets-win-bigger-in-ryan-johansen-deal/

I'm going to do the indignity to you of agreeing with IHZ that you have it wrong.

When the third year is coming in at $6m, you can throw out any pretense of "dangling a carrot" or "wait and see if he's worth it" or "make sure he progresses first". The Jackets have known all along that Joey is better than a $3m center. They stuck to that number because young players coming off of their ELC's, typically get bilked. They have no arbitration rights, and no other teams to negotiate with.

 

[DJA]

Jarmo sounds pissed in the presser. Keeps choosing his words carefully...that he likes Ryan "as a player"...refused to answer question about whether bridges were burned

 

[Fro]

Shawn Mitchell ‏@smitchcd 2m2 minutes ago
Kekalainen: Deal that was made was offered by management,. #CBJ

 

[KJ Dangler]

You don't understand what the phrase "dangling a carrot" means any better than you understand the spelling/definition of the word "prima donna." And if you think the 3rd year is a "non point" you need to revisit your expertise of the CBA.

I've already said I'm hopeful Joey continues on his studly ways and gets a long-term deal before year 3. But it's far from a sure thing it goes down that way. Even the article you link to says that "So in an absolute worst-case scenario, Johansen will make a total of $17.1 million over the next four seasons. That’s an average salary of $4.275. Not a bad deal for the team."

Not bad for the team, and also a win for the agent as $17.1 million over 4 years with a chance to hit the big cash in UFA is a lot better than $6 million over 2 years which is what the front office supposedly wouldn't budge from and what you said KO couldn't do better than. You can't claim the deal that Joey signed is the same as if he took a 2 year $6 million deal and many people in this thread have already pointed out the reasons why this deal's structure is beneficial to Joey.

Guess you didnt read the article, also sounds from the press confrence that Joey was given an ultimatum, and chose to accept today. But yeah your right I dont understand the term dangling a carrot. And I'm sure you could explain it to me

 

[KJ Dangler]

I'm going to do the indignity to you of agreeing with IHZ that you have it wrong.

When the third year is coming in at $6m, you can throw out any pretense of "dangling a carrot" or "wait and see if he's worth it" or "make sure he progresses first". The Jackets have known all along that Joey is better than a $3m center. They stuck to that number because young players coming off of their ELC's, typically get bilked. They have no arbitration rights, and no other teams to negotiate with.

Yep, and by year 3, if they would have signed a 2 year bridge at 3 mill each, he would have had arbitration rights at that point. He progresses over the next 2 season, you think the 6 mill was just cooked up, out of the air ?

 

[Jackets Woodchuck]

To the tune of that annoying song that they play at NWA while flinging pizzas into the crowd:

We've got RyJo in the lineup
We've got RyJo scoring goals
We've got RyJo shooting the puck
Past your goalie's sorry butt.